Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[I Am The Knight]

It was kind of both indeed. IIRC Singer also admitted he had a bias for her because she was in GOT.

She wasn't anything special in Apocalypse and she looks wooden in this one so this seems like a miscast. To be fair the writing was also to blame in Apocalypse giving her nothing interesting to do.

The other choices -- Saoirse Ronan, Hailee Steinfeld, Elle Fanning, have demonstrated more talent imo.

But what's done is done.

Hey, considering how this franchise is ending with a thud - probably for the best.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Damn.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't see that much resemblance... But does it really matter when these characters haven't even aged a day in 50 years?

 

[EnDz0n3]

It doesn’t matter. It’s never mattered to me. Just like I think they should recast if a previous actor dropped the ball or didn’t make much of an impact. Re: January Jones. Why were ppl triggered and getting Dark Phoenix-sized headaches when I said I don’t see the resemblance?

Ultimately it’s the non-aging aspect and characters looking like they didn’t age 10 years in 30 years. At least TRY TO DO SOMETHING.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Just like I think they should recast if a previous actor dropped the ball or didn’t make much of an impact. Re: January Jones.

I really wish she got a second chance. She wasn't even bad imo. Lawrence giving the X-MEN nicknames was some of worst acting in the franchisei imo.

 

[The Batman]

Hey, considering how this franchise is ending with a thud - probably for the best.

Yeah, they all dodged a bullet. Especially Ronan, if she's gonna do a major blockbuster, she should work with people like Chris Nolan.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I really wish she got a second chance. She wasn't even bad imo. Lawrence giving the X-MEN nicknames was some of worst acting in the franchisei imo.

I see your JLaw screaming, and I raise you X-kids running around in the CIA building after The Inner Circle’s attack, including future Oscar nominated actress Ms. Lawrence.

 

[Nadia]

The only actor I really have trouble with the non aging is quicksilver and beast in human form (*)

- the younger cast (assuming they were meant to be 16-18 in apoc) are now in the age range of the actual actors. I actually think Sophie looks like she aged significantly which I feel I do feel is due to her change in makeup and hairstyle from Apoc.

- Mystique can look any age she wants + the gave the "slow aging" explaination in first class.

- Xavier. I think the bald head really ages him. And compared to first class he looks older ( but admittedly not 30 years).

- fassbended I think has notciably aged since first class. But I do agree they should have given him grey hair in this film.

-beasts beast form I feel can be timeless. But his human form isn't believable (* though I suppose they could make an excuse that he altered his aging process by continually turn back and forth from human to beast)

Quicksilver is just the one I don't buy. He just hasn't changed at all.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

The aging (or lack thereof) is one of my biggest problems, aesthetically, with this film. Xavier and Magneto needed something more, for sure. I understand that aging makeup/effects are often overdone and painfully fake-looking, but there was something more they could’ve done. Mystique and Beast don’t bother me at all considering what was established in FC. I just wish they were blue all the time, but it is what it is. Quicksilver’s fine. If you want to say he was a teen in DoFP, I think it’s acceptable that he’s in his mid-thirties in DPh. I absolutely buy the “kids” being in their mid-twenties, now. So, in short, it’s the should-be-geezers that irritate me the most. Hopefully I’ll be so immersed and entertained that it won’t really bother me.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Kinberg about timeline

We are now in an alternate timeline

Following the last movie's time-jumping events Kinberg confirmed that these versions of Xavier, Magneto et al aren't necessarily the same ones we know from the original X-Men trilogy. "Everything is an alternate timeline at this point, but the one thing we have established is the end of Days of Future Past, where Wolverine wakes up in the future mansion - that is the destination of this new timeline. So ultimately they are going to become who you see at the end of that movie." Jean, Scott, Storm and Beast are all in that scene, you'll notice - but some others are not, meaning their fates are "up for grabs".

 

[X-Maniac]

Beast used Mystique's blood to create his cure for mutation, so that could explain his slowed ageing since she had that ability herself.

But, it is what it is. Only 9-10 weeks until release after which we can all argue for months over what we saw on screen lol...

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Disney Reviewing Fox’s X-Men Franchise – Current Actors Could Be Worked Into MCU

According to our source, Disney is currently reviewing the X-Men franchise and it’s possible they could include the current actors into the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU).

That means it’s quite possible that James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Sophie Turner, and company could be joining the MCU.

However, there is a huge caveat. Our source indicates that Disney will be factoring in the financial success of X-Men: Dark Phoenix. It will also depend on the thoughts of the current X-Men producers as well as the availability of the actors.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Never heard of ******************.com. so probably best not to put to much thought into it.

Too many websites wanna create the next big headline.

 

[Alison Blaire]

With Emma Frost dead, Ángel dead ,Havoc dead,Mystique dead,Banshee dead.Two Quicksilvers......

 

[Nadia]

Disney Reviewing Fox’s X-Men Franchise – Current Actors Could Be Worked Into MCU

I think the most likely option concerning the main xmen cast + Logan would be that they keep the actors in their roles (Macvoy as Xavier, Fassbender as Magneto, Keen as X-23 etc) but completely reboot the character history into the MCU.
In that Macvoy would be playing an MCU Xavier with an MCU origin and history, not related at all to history of the Fox version.

I think the Deadpool Franchise (Deadpool, Cable, Domino, Coloussus etc) could easily be placed into the MCU timeline post x-men introduction.
All the connections to the fox universe (black bird, mansion etc) can all be chalked up to it being a Deadpool film and seeing the wooed through his lense.

Similarly I think New Mutants can just be inserted. So far there doesn't seem to be direct ties to the fox universe. I do believe there were rumours of a Macvoy cameo but that can be easily edited out.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Looks a lot more of a headache to shoehorn in actors (FC cast) and storylines (New Mutants film) just because you don’t want to let them go. Considering Fox doesn’t wanna be associated with Boone’s New Mutants, what makes you think another company would want to?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I think keeping the actors but rebooting their characters would be even more confusing to general audiences than if they were to just recast them. I foresee them completely rebooting the Fox properties with brand new actors in the roles (the exception being Reynolds as Deadpool.) In fact, I’m about 90% sure that’s what will happen. And I’m cool with that. What I’d also be cool with is them integrating some of the amazing FoX-Men actors into the MCU in new roles.

 

[Matt.S99]

The only way I’d want the cast integrated into the MCU is if it was the original trilogy cast hahahaha

But seriously, that would all be way too confusing. It’s best to just start fresh.

 

[Marvel united]

Tye is one of the best of his generation (see both Mud and Joe). (Even if i think that Dylan O'Brian would have been a good choice too)

I don't like much Sophie, she missing charisma, that's true.

Dylan O'Brien was on the shortlist?? Why didn't they go with him?!? I only seem to remember Taron Egerton who is equally or almost as bad as Tye.

O'Brien is a great choice for Scott, they should have absolutely chose him over Sheridan.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah, this smells of a rumor made up to generate clicks by a website nobody knows. Remember when one of them claimed Armie Hammer was in final negotiations for The Batman before WB had even approached anyone?

With that said, I'd be amused to see this cast brought into the MCU after all the fanboy complaints about them for years. With that said, it doesn't make much sense. If Dark Phoenix turned out great... even then it's a stretch. And so far, it feels like the best we can hope for is decent.

 

[SumT]

lol. Does anyone really believe that random rumor?

Feige and Marvel rebooted Amazing Spiderman, with only 2 films and a very small cast introduced to date (it was too easy to integrate). Why on earth would Feige want to integrate a 20 years old franchise with so many characters dead, killed or wasted?
it doesnt make any sense

 

[DACrowe]

My understanding is that Turner got the Jean Grey role over Saoirse Ronan, who is definitely more experienced and a more acclaimed actress, because she had more IG followers. That's shallow and stupid and totally in line with the thinking at Fox when it comes to this franchise.

Just out of curiosity... where did you hear this? Because it would be damning if true, but I don't ever see anyone admitting something like that. Smells more like something someone who hates these movies/Sophie Turner/or both would claim.

I do believe she got the role over Saoirse because of Game of Thrones, but I actually think Sophie should be able to handle it. We'll know soon enough in a few months. Saoirse is way better, but plenty of talented actors, most especially women, have been given fairly little enough to do that it doesn't match their talent in this genre. Yes, I'm thinking of Halle Berry, but the same could apply to Elizabeth Olsen and to a certain extent Scarlett Johansson. Anyway...

 

[Pennywise]

X-Men Producer: Dark Phoenix Is a Hitchcock-esque Psychological Thriller

In an exclusive Screen Rant interview, Dark Phoenix producer Hutch Parker suggests the film will be a Hitchcock-esque psychological thriller. Based on original Marvel Comics characters, Dark Phoenix represents the 12th cinematic installment of the X-Men franchise. Game of Thronesactress Sophie Turner stars as the titular character, a mutant named Jean Grey with conflicting personalities.
Dark Phoenix was preceded by Logan and Deadpool 2 in the franchise, and will be a direct sequel to X-Men: Apocalypse.

In February 2017, Turner was confirmed for “X-Men: Supernova,” which was officially named Dark Phoenix shortly after. In December 2017, Disney and Fox agreed in principle to a deal that included the rights to both the Avatar and X-Men franchises, and Fox ultimately accepted Disney’s bid last July. Earlier this month, we reported that Fox marketing executives believe Disney's looming acquisition of Fox's movie and film assets is hurting Dark Phoenix. The film marks the directorial debut of Simon Kinberg, who previously produced several of the franchise films. Narratively, Dark Phoenix fulfills a promise that was teased at the end of X-Men: Apocalypse.

At Wondercon, Screen Rant spoke with the aforementioned Parker about Dark Phoenix’s genre inspiration. According to the producer, the film will be “like a Hitchockian psychological thriller.” This falls in line with the franchise’s shifting sub-genre aesthetics, as Parker notes that Matthew Vaughn’s X-Men: First Class is “a spy movie,” or more specifically, a “James Bond movie told with superheroes.” In contrast, Bryan Singer’s X-Men: Apocalypseis “like a Roland Emmerich-style disaster film.” Parker also compares Singer’s X-Men: Days of Future Past to “a science fiction time-travel movie.” With Dark Phoenix, fans can expect traditional suspense in the style of a legendary filmmaker.

Interesting...

 

[SumT]

My understanding is that Turner got the Jean Grey role over Saoirse Ronan, who is definitely more experienced and a more acclaimed actress, because she had more IG followers. That's shallow and stupid and totally in line with the thinking at Fox when it comes to this franchise.

thats probably how Fox and producers minds work. I wouldnt be surprised if a worker at Fox had the order to look and count what characters/xmen have more tweets, mentions, and thats one of the reasons Fox and Kinberg keep forcing Charles-Magneto in and out relationship to death.
The irony is apparently none at Fox ordered someone to take a look at the boxoffice of the xmen movies and other cbms movies these days to realize this approach isnt working. oh well....

 

[Alison Blaire]

Now Kinberg is Hitchcock