Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[RalphieRandy]

I know I’m in the vast minority, but I didn’t like the suits in the final scene of Apocalypse. I loved the concept, but the execution just resulted in something that felt so blah. I think it was the bulky, plastic parts on the gloves, the shoulder pads, etc. Plus it didn’t fit in with the overall aesthetic of the series. My favorite suits were the ones in FC that were very uniform, but also customized. After that, I really liked the dystopian suits of DoFP; they were individualized, but felt like they really worked within the context of the film. I don’t know, I’m weird, I guess.

A lot of people here and elsewhere were complaining that the suits looked "too cosplay, too bulky, and too cheap" for over 2 years. Now all of a sudden many of those same people are saying they want the suits back and how the movies should have stuck with them. Extreme cognitive dissonance going on with some people.

 

[Davidstorm]

I know I’m in the vast minority, but I didn’t like the suits in the final scene of Apocalypse. I loved the concept, but the execution just resulted in something that felt so blah. I think it was the bulky, plastic parts on the gloves, the shoulder pads, etc. Plus it didn’t fit in with the overall aesthetic of the series. My favorite suits were the ones in FC that were very uniform, but also customized. After that, I really liked the dystopian suits of DoFP; they were individualized, but felt like they really worked within the context of the film. I don’t know, I’m weird, I guess.

I also did not like the customs shown in XMA, a lot of things bothered me and for me that did not make any sense
It's strange that now these costumes have so many fans, when it was "leaked" the xmen photo with the colorful costumes I saw many critics in the social network, many people laughing at the appearance of that, I read many comments comparing that to paintball costumes, so it is strange now something that was not well received to have become something loved.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I just came back from my screening, and yep as expected they played the Dark Phoenix International trailer. But like @Ordet they screened that one and the new what I’m calling “farewell trailer”.

With footage from all X films sans X3, if I remember correctly lol. I loved the new trailer, if only because it was good to see the Original cast back on the big screen one last time. Could have had better moments in it, but I still appreciated what was shown. Some new shots from Dph l, too quick to make make out what was happening. I loved the opening line/text “ 20 years ago”. Disney/Fox is really pushing to turn a profit from this, they obviously know it’s the international market where this is making most of its box office from. Smart move. In my theater I saw a lot of reaction to the “farewell” one.

That's nice to hear

 

[Davidstorm]

Will this "farewell" trailer be released online?
it would be interesting to release this on the opening day of the pre-sale.

 

[Cktopl33]

Yes a lot industry people (people that know a lot more than YOU) "think" Simon Kinberg is this franchise's "overseer" including

So he's a franchise "overseer".....who didn't really have much say in the franchise itself apparently.
And I know how the industry works. Simon Kinberg is not president of production like Kevin Feige. He doesn't have the same independence and still answers to studio executives on what can and can't be done in these projects.

It seems they call him overseer simply because he's producer on nearly all the x-projects. But so is Bryan Singer & Lauren Shuler Donner along with a handful of others who are also called "overseers" in those same articles. A producer is an overseer I guess. So again, people will "think" what they want.

 

[Cktopl33]

It would be interesting if Dark Phoenix sounded like that. I also noticed that IMBD listed the film's run-time as 2 hours and 41 minutes. That would make it the longest x-men movie to date.

 

[Cktopl33]

It was kinda meh and low impact, featuring a load of characters the audience hasn’t grown to care about. It woefully lacks scale and spectacle, even with the space shuttle rescue (which seemed kinda ‘small’) and even compared to the Fast & Furious trailer that came after it.

I'm told the trailers don't do a good job of representation for the movie. The action/battle sequences and space shuttle mission are much larger scale than the trailers indicate and take up a considerate amount of time in the movie. Hardly anything was shown in the trailers. But there are agencies & multiple companies that put together multiple versions of trailers each giving their own point of view & then the studio decides which ones to go with. Maybe they're trying to go the Avengers route and hold back a lot of the film until release. I know there's something of a big reveal in the movie still being kept secret, but I haven't been told what it is. As far as I know, it hasn't been leaked yet, not even from test screening circulating rumors.

 

[X-Maniac]

They should have gone with the X-suit worn by Brianna as Negasonic in Deadpool. Fits well, looks good. And surely easier to create as it’s already been made before. So they know the materials etc.

The suits from the end scene of Apocalypse were a bit over-designed but not horrific.

I really don’t get why Avengers can have all those different colourful outfits alongside each other - red/gold metal suit, star spangled blue body suit with shield, big cloak and armour, etc - and they all mesh together fine. Yet in X-Men such things are seen as horrendous and ridiculous.

Is it the tone of the X-men films? The lighting? The photography? The costume design itself?

And as for make-up and bringing to life unusual skin tones and appearances...

In terms of look and believability:

Gamorra and Nebula >>>> Mystique

Thanos >>>>> Beast

 

[Cktopl33]

The suits from the end scene of Apocalypse were a bit over-designed but not horrific.

Is it the tone of the X-men films? The lighting? The photography? The costume design itself?

All of that was bad in Apocyaplse. I still like these costumes in Dark Phoenix more than the ones in Apocalypse because the X:A costumes just came off as silly and goofy to me. I still can't get over Cyclops thin velcro chest strap. It just looked ridiculous. But I wasn't particularly a fan of any of the costumes in the x-men movies (not even First Class flight jumpsuits), except Deadpool. Other than that, I preferred them in their civilian clothes.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So he's a franchise "overseer".....who didn't really have much say in the franchise itself apparently.
And I know how the industry works. Simon Kinberg is not president of production like Kevin Feige. He doesn't have the same independence and still answers to studio executives on what can and can't be done in these projects.

It seems they call him overseer simply because he's producer on nearly all the x-projects. But so is Bryan Singer & Lauren Shuler Donner along with a handful of others who are also called "overseers" in those same articles. A producer is an overseer I guess. So again, people will "think" what they want.

LOL

It would be interesting if Dark Phoenix sounded like that. I also noticed that IMBD listed the film's run-time as 2 hours and 41 minutes. That would make it the longest x-men movie to date.

It's not. For one thing, IMDB is not the most reliable when it comes to unreleased movies. It's like quoting wiki as a source...

And for another, Kinberg has told Collider none of the past cuts have gone pass the 2 hour 30 minute mark.

 

[Manasrepublic]

I for one thing this will be a great loss for Disney to reboot things unless they don’t bring a visionary with technical craft and polish like Kinberg on to oversee its fresh development in the MCU. What would be most optimal from a production standpoint would be to have this experienced cast merge with the MCU for a grittier feel. It needs to be done this way since people love the X-universe under Fox and folks are Kinberg fans and are highly anticipating this last film under his tenure as overseer and production specialist.

 

[Davidstorm]

Valérie Revelut‏ @thePurdey
Le 5 juin sort X-men : Dark Phoenix, nous avons vu 30 mn du film avant de rencontrer les acteurs, demain, et c'était impressionnant ! Difficile d'en dire plus, mais ça fait très envie ! #teamquicksilver #xmen #DarkPhoenix @MarvelFR @OnirikNet

BeatlesFass‏ @BeatFassbender
Today a group of lucky people watched 30 minutes of #DarkPhoenix and tomorrow they'll meet the cast! #Paris #XMen #MichaelFassbender

 

[Cktopl33]

LOL

Which is why I consider equally ridiculous the fact that these people call them "overseers".

It's not. For one thing, IMDB is not the most reliable when it comes to unreleased movies. It's like quoting wiki as a source...

And for another, Kinberg has told Collider none of the past cuts have gone pass the 2 hour 30 minute mark.

We'll see what the actual run-time officially end up as.

 

[X-Maniac]

I for one thing this will be a great loss for Disney to reboot things unless they don’t bring a visionary with technical craft and polish like Kinberg on to oversee its fresh development in the MCU. What would be most optimal from a production standpoint would be to have this experienced cast merge with the MCU for a grittier feel. It needs to be done this way since people love the X-universe under Fox and folks are Kinberg fans and are highly anticipating this last film under his tenure as overseer and production specialist.

No, the X-Men need rebuilding from the ground up.

Bringing over ANYONE previously associated with this franchise is a bad idea, as they will bring baggage and old ways of thinking. The brand is tarnished enough as it is.

Also, this cast were clearly never intended as lead roles, they are all lesser-known actors who can't carry a film.

Feige and co. will have their own ideas and it's best to see what they can come up with independently..

Leave the Fox franchise as its own thing, wrapped up with this film and then set aside as its own version.

We are now in desperate need of the MCU X-Men, the Fox version has been run into the ground. The MCU has better scale, better special effects and stunts (physical and and digital, wirework, flying scenes etc), better marketing, better character building, better world-building, better continuity, far more belief/investment in the material and the characters.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Which is why I consider equally ridiculous the fact that these people call them "overseers".

Kinberg certainly hasn't corrected any of them. The oldest article on that list is from 2015. He could've told any of those publications it's not true. But maybe Kinberg likes being seen as this franchise's overseer and he's maybe even used it to score the directing gig.

 

[The Guard]

No, the X-Men need rebuilding from the ground up.

Bringing over ANYONE previously associated with this franchise is a bad idea, as they will bring baggage and old ways of thinking. The brand is tarnished enough as it is.

Well, that leaves Feige out, then...

 

[Erik Lensherr]

New pic

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, that leaves Feige out, then...

Feige moved over to head Marvel Studios TWELVE YEARS ago. He's already on the right side and the MCU has proved its worth. It's time to see what the MCU can do with the X-Men.

Do you seriously want any of the Fox creatives bringing their bad ideas, crappy costume design, bad make-up, dodgy wirework, piss-poor flying sequences, etc across to the MCU rebooted X-Men? No. Because it wouldn't be an X-Men reboot then, would it?

 

[Cktopl33]

Kinberg certainly hasn't corrected any of them. The oldest article on that list is from 2015. He could've told any of those publications it's not true. But maybe Kinberg likes being seen as this franchise's overseer and he's maybe even used it to score the directing gig.

Haven't seen Bryan Singer correct any of these publications when they called him an "overseer". So, it really isn't Kinberg's job to police what articles write, is it? Especially when they write a lot of stuff, make many assertions, as well as opinions. I don't see how that helps him get a directing gig. You don't need a title of "overseer" to land a directing gig. As anyone in the industry will tell you, "There is no one route to become a film director". Every director had their own unique career path. Kinberg's history of being a collaborator in the industry & successful producer seemed to have helped him there.

 

[X-Maniac]

Kinberg certainly hasn't corrected any of them. The oldest article on that list is from 2015. He could've told any of those publications it's not true. But maybe Kinberg likes being seen as this franchise's overseer and he's maybe even used it to score the directing gig.

It's quite clear he's tried to build a power-base.

Even without the Disney takeover, I don't think X-Men were destined to reach great new heights. Fox has simply been left in the dust by the competition, and my favourite comic book characters have suffered as a result of this mismanagement.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Fox has simply been left in the dust by the competition

Not really in the long run Fox would have produced more movies and the logic they went by is that each movie had to have its own tone is not a bad strategy at all. I think Deadpool and Logan proved that nicely. A certain type of movies we wouldn't have got under Marvel,WB or Sony.

Either way it's clear in various interviews it was Fox themselves were the one getting pitched ideas and they green lit the movies they see fit. they we're not pickint as part of some most deserved list. But more what the concept had to offer that was tonally different, and whether they were confident it would sell.

Only reason kinberg is called overseer is because since Kevin feige become Marvels spokes person for future of the MCU movies, it's expected every franchise has one now. Every franchise now has to have a Kevin fiege to talk about future plans and talk about universe building stuff,

 

[carpenter82]

Not really in the long run Fox would have produced more movies and the logic they went by is that each movie had to have its own tone is not a bad strategy at all. I think Deadpool and Logan proved that nicely. A certain type of movies we wouldn't have got under Marvel,WB or Sony.

Either way it's clear in various interviews it was Fox themselves were the one getting pitched ideas and they green lit the movies they see fit. they we're not pickint as part of some most deserved list. But more what the concept had to offer that was tonally different, and whether they were confident it would sell.

Only reason kinberg is called overseer is because since Kevin feige become Marvels spokes person for future of the MCU movies, it's expected every franchise has one now. Every franchise now has to have a Kevin fiege to talk about future plans and talk about universe building stuff,

I don't think this series gets enough credit for reinventing itself with each film. For me no two X-Men films are the same. For better or worse they tried to make every installment a different experience.

 

[carpenter82]

 

[The Guard]

Feige moved over to head Marvel Studios TWELVE YEARS ago. He's already on the right side and the MCU has proved its worth. It's time to see what the MCU can do with the X-Men.

Look, you made an amusingly ironic blanket statement, and I responded accordingly.

It's so tense in here.