Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[lastairbender]

I Wonder if we will have that opening with the cerebro door! Iconic!! And a 90s song quicksilver scene! Like Nirvana!
Well i dont we will, theywant to keep their own thing probably

 

[Hand Banana]

@Marvel united

And to answer your question: its the same reason why Venom was made. Which a lot of fans actually like.

At this point I’ve cancelled out the noise.. i’ll be there with my popcorn and soda opening night, soaking it all in. I just want to enjoy the last movie, after following this franchise for the last 20 years

Same. I’m going to avoid the internet between between June 4-7 and go in with no expectations.

 

[Davidstorm]

here in brazil the movie will be shown for the press tomorrow

 

[Davidstorm]

I'm a little hopeful that tomorrow there will be a big surprise and this is well evaluated by critics, but I do not have high expectations.

anyway I do not intend to follow a movie as much as I did with this, everything is very tiring, the first time I do it and it was not pleasant, I did not know everything was so toxic, I'm going back to what I've always done during these years, just enjoy these films and new productions without major concerns.

 

[Marvel united]

I doubt that. Marketing and audience word of mouth is what give movies their legs as shown by Venom, Aquaman, and Aladdin.

That is why Disney/Fox is putting so much effort into the marketing.

@Marvel united

And to answer your question: its the same reason why Venom was made. Which a lot of fans actually like.



Same. I’m going to avoid the internet between between June 4-7 and go in with no expectations.

Right and the WOM for this movie will be bad. Kinberg has stressed repeatedly that this movie is not a "superhero" movie. This is not a crowd pleasing fun romp like Aladdin, AM or the Venon example you used. This is suppose to be a dark melodramatic character study of Jean Grey i.e 'Logan'. And that's not what brings people to the movies when the audience doesn't care about the character in question being deconstructed. So if the movie fails at this aspect (which it has and will) they have nothing else contributing to a strong multiplier for the box-office. And it will fail. This is why the tracking is so low in the first place. The Ga does not care about this movie because they have no reason to

This does not have the appeal of Venom or Aquaman.... Like at all. It's like comparing Kinberg's Fant4stic to Transformers.

Venom was made because Sony wanted their own universe. Are you saying that Kinberg intends to kick off a shared universe with this movie? No, this Is a matter of insecurity. Kinberg wants to prove to the world that TLS wasn't his fault so he is forcing another Dark Phoenix story

 

[Charzhin0]

Must say june the 5th has come quicker than i thought . Feels like only a month ago when we found out that the movie was delayed from Feb to June. I am excited to see how the franchise ends and will be a relief at the very least to see a serious drama driven comic book movie instead of the pseudo comedies weve got recently.

 

[Hand Banana]

here in brazil the movie will be shown for the press tomorrow

I’m think this may have something to do with how Deadpool 2 was received in China.

Right and the WOM for this movie will be bad. Kinberg has stressed repeatedly that this movie is not a "superhero" movie. This is not a crowd pleasing fun romp like Aladdin, AM or the Venon example you used. This is suppose to be a dark melodramatic character study of Jean Grey i.e 'Logan'. And that's not what brings people to the movies when the audience doesn't care about the character in question being deconstructed. So if the movie fails at this aspect (which it has and will) they have nothing else contributing to a strong multiplier for the box-office. And it will fail. This is why the tracking is so low in the first place. The Ga does not care about this movie because they have no reason to

This does not have the appeal of Venom or Aquaman.... Like at all. It's like comparing Kinberg's Fant4stic to Transformers.

Actually there is a decent amount of action/spectacle in the movie from what I hear, shown in the trailers, and that’s the selling point of the marketing . You can be both a character study and action film at the same time, which is what First Class was. Hell, most of the MCU films are character studies. And does not look nearly as dark as Logan based on the clips.

Not sure why you are saying it failed as a character study because I have not heard this criticism of the film at all.

Venom was made because Sony wanted their own universe. Are you saying that Kinberg intends to kick off a shared universe with this movie? No, this Is a matter of insecurity. Kinberg wants to prove to the world that TLS wasn't his fault so he is forcing another Dark Phoenix story

No, it’s because the producers wanted another shot at Venom after they wasted him in Spider-Man 3. Said so themselves.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Which genius moved this to the same weekend as Secret Life of Pets 2, when it was facing off against decidedly non-four-quadrant The Nutcracker?

November was the best weekend out of the three it ended up with but even February was good too. But Kinberg moved this to June (1) for China: where we’ve now learned they won’t be holding press screenings; (2) for more theatre screens: which we’ve since learned is a falsehood. This movie will have a very low theatre count compared to other superhero fare. Even Fant4stic—another feather on Kinberg’s cap—scored 3,995 theatres when it debuted.

The Kinberg lies continue because there are people who still buy into them.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

New clip !

720 and 1080p versions of the clip here

Dark Phoenix - Movie Trailers - iTunes

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I’ve been looking at my fandango app for pre sale tickets @ theaters here and Thursday night is very low. The theater I’m going to only 5 tickets have been sold. I haven’t check for the weekend yet.

 

[Hand Banana]

I’ve been looking at my fandango app for pre sale tickets @ theaters here and Thursday night is very low. The theater I’m going to only 5 tickets have been sold. I haven’t check for the weekend yet.

Pre-sale tickets seem to be doing well generally based on what I’ve seen on Box Office Theory. Better than Secret Life of Pets 2, actually. Though John Wick 3 sold more pre-sale tickets than Aladdin, but the latter was the one that came out on top at the Box Office...

 

[Marvel united]

Actually there is a decent amount of action/spectacle in the movie from what I hear, shown in the trailers, and that’s the selling point of the marketing.

But what of the mess surrounding it? If it's a boring slog that takes itself too seriously, having some action won't matter if it fails to properly execute character beats and tell a coherent, well-structured narrative. Otherwise, there's nothing tor anybody who isn't invested in the Fox films to excited about. Why would they care? Well, they don't and we're about to find out soon

You can be both a character study and action film at the same time, which is what First Class was. Hell, most of the MCU films are character studies. And does not look nearly as dark as Logan based on the clips.

Character *deconstruction is what Kinberg seems to be going for here and he's failing at it. Logan is the template Kinberg is striving to achieve and that is an impossible feat to accomplish with a terrible script (which the clip is showing off)

Not sure why you are saying it failed as a character study because I have not heard this criticism of the film at all.

It Is going to fail at properly deconstructing Jean Grey, it will fail at telling an adequate story. The reviews are going to trash this movie for failing as a film, the character study will be part of it.

No, it’s because the producers wanted another shot at Venom after they wasted him in Spider-Man 3. Said so themselves.

Um, yeah, sure. If you look at their decision to make a Venom reboot in a chamber without any context. And you should never take ANYTHING a producer says at face value. Avi Arad and Amy Pascal especially Case in point - the lies that Kinberg told about Fant4stic.

 

[Abudefduf]

New clip !

Aren't the X-Men like, 30 or 40 years old at this point? Why is Mystique acting like they're inexperienced kids. They're all adults and have been a team for decades.

 

[TMP98]

November was the best weekend out of the three it ended up with but even February was good too. But Kinberg moved this to June (1) for China: where we’ve now learned they won’t be holding press screenings; (2) for more theatre screens: which we’ve since learned is a falsehood. This movie will have a very low theatre count compared to other superhero fare. Even Fant4stic—another feather on Kinberg’s cap—scored 3,995 theatres when it debuted.

When Dark Phoenix got delayed, Bohemian Rhapsody took its place - a movie that (sigh) had incredible legs during the holiday season and made $900m; a number it might not have been able to hit if it opened during Christmas as intended. So Fox definitely benefited greatly from delaying X-Men.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Aren't the X-Men like, 30 or 40 years old at this point? Why is Mystique acting like they're inexperienced kids. They're all adults and have been a team for decades.

Nothing makes sense. Each movie is kind of it's own thing because "10 years later."

 

[psylockolussus]

The X-Women line always makes me laugh, that came out of nowhere.

 

[Davidstorm]

Pre-sale tickets seem to be doing well generally based on what I’ve seen on Box Office Theory. Better than Secret Life of Pets 2, actually. Though John Wick 3 sold more pre-sale tickets than Aladdin, but the latter was the one that came out on top at the Box Office...

Yes, this is the front of SLOP2 and in some places performed better than goodzila and in others not, but it is still difficult to predict how much the film will do because it does not have XMA pre-sale data.
Your example was perfect.
JW3 had a better pre-sale than alladin and even then it had a smaller OW.

 

[Marvel united]

[Reviews drop & Phoenix underperforms]

"I'm sorry I didn't stop it sooner. I promise we'll do better"
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"You're always sorry, Simon. And there's always a promise, and nobody cares."

 

[EnDz0n3]

When Dark Phoenix got delayed, Bohemian Rhapsody took its place - a movie that (sigh) had incredible legs during the holiday season and made $900m; a number it might not have been able to hit if it opened during Christmas as intended. So Fox definitely benefited greatly from delaying X-Men.

Tells you Fox doesn't know what they're doing and just stumbling along. Once in a while the studio happens upon a good decision, thru no "fault" of their own.

 

[Hand Banana]

But what of the mess surrounding it? If it's a boring slog that takes itself too seriously, having some action won't matter if it fails to properly execute character beats and tell a coherent, well-structured narrative. Otherwise, there's nothing tor anybody who isn't invested in the Fox films to excited about. Why would they care? Well, they don't and we're about to find out soon
Character *deconstruction is what Kinberg seems to be going for here and he's failing at it. Logan is the template Kinberg is striving to achieve and that is an impossible feat to accomplish with a terrible script (which the clip is showing off)

It Is going to fail at properly deconstructing Jean Grey, it will fail at telling an adequate story. The reviews are going to trash this movie for failing as a film, the character study will be part of it.

I have not heard about it taking itself too seriously being the problem(even Logan had its moments of humor) or anything like that as of yet. Just the conflict being messy and the third act being bad(which seems fine based on the footage leak from weeks ago). And Venom did not have a coherent well-structured narrative or executed its character beats properly either, dude. Aquaman had that problem too but to a lesser extent.

I’ve actually seen a lot of people who have never watched the previous X-Men films who want to watch this movie. My 10 year old cousin wants to see it because it looks like another action packed Marvel movie, I would imagine plenty of other kids(and adults) would too for that reason. Plenty of women that want to see another female-led Marvel film after Captain Marvel(nearly half of its audience were female). And of course, the Sophie/Sansa fans want to see a Marvel movie that stars the Queen in North as the title character(I’m a GOT fan and I see this pretty often).

lol Does the X-Women line really bother you that much?

Um, yeah, sure. If you look at their decision to make a Venom reboot in a chamber without any context. And you should never take ANYTHING a producer says at face value. Avi Arad and Amy Pascal especially Case in point - the lies that Kinberg told about Fant4stic.

I don’t think Avi Arad has much to gain with lying about that though.

 

[Hand Banana]

Aren't the X-Men like, 30 or 40 years old at this point? Why is Mystique acting like they're inexperienced kids. They're all adults and have been a team for decades.

Nothing makes sense. Each movie is kind of it's own thing because "10 years later."

No, they are in their 20s. Which a lot of older people view as kids. This is 8 years after Apocalypse where they were teenagers.

 

[itsrivv]

The X-Women line always makes me laugh, that came out of nowhere.

I agree it doesn’t work...I mean maybe in context of the comics but the “x-women” haven’t done much of anything in the movie universe unfortunately.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Aren't the X-Men like, 30 or 40 years old at this point? Why is Mystique acting like they're inexperienced kids. They're all adults and have been a team for decades.

My sense is that every new venture the team undertakes is more dangerous than the next, and Mystique doesn't like the idea of them risking their lives for "a world that fears and hates them." Also, she's long been at odds with Charles' views on peaceful assimilation. So, what we're seeing here is just more of the same friction between them.

 

[Hand Banana]

I agree it doesn’t work...I mean maybe in context of the comics but the “x-women” haven’t done much of anything in the movie universe unfortunately.

Mystique is referring to when she took down Magneto, convinced him to stop aiding Apocalypse, Jean almost single handily taking down Apocalypse, and now Jean saved the space shuttle.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Aren't the X-Men like, 30 or 40 years old at this point? Why is Mystique acting like they're inexperienced kids. They're all adults and have been a team for decades.

Charles, Raven and Erik are in their early 60’s, Hank is in his late 40’s, Peter is in his late 30’s and Storm, Kurt, Jean and Scott are in their mid-to-late 20’s.

Some of that’s not, well, not very believable. I can suspend my disbelief for all but Charles and Erik. They just don’t look anywhere near that. Hank and Raven get a pass from Raven’s age-defying genetics. That’s all beside the point. I think it makes sense that Raven refers to the younger member as “kids” since all but Peter and Hank are still in their twenties and she met them when they were vulnerable teenagers. She’s become like a mother to them... even if that’s not very much within the characterization of her comic book counterpart. Or even within the live-action characterization from the previous film! It’s contradictory to her little “you’re not kids anymore” speech from the last movie. But it’s also not crazy to think that, in the unseen ten years between these films, she grew to care about them much like some other iterations of Mystique came to care about Kurt or Rogue. It’s a bit of a shame that we never got to see it, though.