Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Xeno]

The hair & makeup team on this movie deserve an Oscar© for making such a beautiful woman look so hideous.

 

[2kt09]

The hair & makeup team on this movie deserve an Oscar© for making such a beautiful woman look so hideous.

lol G. Randolph

 

[kineticist]

I'm sure this has been said but how many trailers/spots/etc had the "it feels good" line? Like 90% and that definitely wasnt in the movie right? lol I just realized

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Hand Banana]

I'm sure this has been said but how many trailers/spots/etc had the "it feels good" line? Like 90% and that definitely wasnt in the movie right? lol I just realized

No it was not. They pretty much cut out the scenes that explored what was going on in Jean’s head.

 

[By your Command]

Say what you want about Kinberg, but this powerfull statement shows only testifies to the strength of his character.

The first step to improvement is self knowledge!

Bingo, you stole the words out of my mouth (keyboard?), I've said some terrible, terrible, terrible things about Simon Kinberg, but I always kinda get why people around him like him so much, he's like the little engine that could, I hope one day he makes a great film and just rubs it in our faces. But please just leave the X-Men alone Simon.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I believe he got the job on this film because he finished DOFP and Apocalypse when Singer went AWOL.

Not on DOFP. There was dysfunction on DOFP but it was on Apocalypse where Kinberg ghost-directed.

I fully believe Kinberg when he says he’s doing to NM reshoots. Because the one thing I’ve learned from his entire career is that it doesn’t matter how many (many many many many many many many many) mistakes he makes. He just keeps working.

It's like we're trapped in an episode of the Kinberg-produced Twilight Zone.

 

[MeralysMystica]

So,
I try to recap all what happened before the movie was in theaters

I premise that I don't write this to be acting as Kinberg's defense attorney.
I like the movie (with reservations on third act), but we don't really know if the infomous 'Kinberg's cut' would be better or worse.So it's not the point of this post.

The point is that what happened is something of very dangerous for the film's world.

let's start:

1. about 2016-2017: Fox accepted Kinberg's pitch to make a two-movies event about the Dark Phoenix Saga.

2. in the script Kinberg wrote we have the Shi-ar/Lilandra sub-plot and several scenes on spaces.

3. about spring end of 2017 Fox is on sale, but this it is not yet disclosed (we have the first news about Disney wanna them about november)

4. June 2017: Kinberg was confirmed as director (with the minimun wage for that).

Assumption: it's in this period that Fox, that is on sale, decided to: hire Kinberg (that we know he is a sort of yes-man), cancell the two-movies idea and make deep cut on budget.
So, with the movie that become 1, they have to cancell all the Shi-ar/Lilandra sub-plot: Skrull was the new idea

5.Summer 2018: Disney win the bidding war fo Fox (there were several steps before the closing in March 19)

6.Summer 2018: Fox planned the reshoot for some weeks untile September

7. new movie date is 14 February 2019

8. About winter, Kinberg made some interview where he said to have taken inspiration from Thor Ragnarok, not for the film's tone, but about the cosmic-scale

Assumption: so a that time movie still have more scenes in space.

9. Same time: Kinberg said also Chastain would be a alien, but he didn't reveal who she will be

Assumption: at this point we have yet Skrull: Chastain should be a Skrull. There is no reason to have all that secrets if she were a d'bari/Vuk that nobody remember about

10. Again winter: there was Kinberg/Feige meeting, they spoke only about their friendership, 'cause for legal reason Feige cannot have decisions on movie.

Assumption: come on...who believe that? Nobody. So Disney could veto on Skrull: they become D'Bari. and the movie had a new release date for the summer.

Assumption: realistically speaking even if Dark Phoenix would have Skrull and realease date in Feb, Captain Marvel would made more more money. I'm sure about that.
But I'm also sure that Captain Marvel could lose some income and above-all there would be no more the idea of the first great Marvel heroine and, of course, the re-use of Skrull in little time. It was a mix of money and power that guided Disney.

Assumption about the third act:

The change of the final due to screening gone wrong does not hold.
or better:
It stand up if there would be a change or addition. Not a total replacement.

That is, Fox builds the biggest set in the saga.
Test-screening states that the public would like more involvement from all the X-Men. Now the most rational thing to do would have been to integrate the sequence, perhaps by building small portions of the set (which they had destroyed) to connect it to an external sequence like that of the train maybe.

Not using the UN part is only due to the fact that the shape-shifting nature of the aliens (Skrull) was fundamental in those scenes.

Now if it makes sense for you to throw scenes shot in this great set because Fox prefers to go from Skrull to d'Bari ....for me it dosn't make sense.
(That is to say, you know that companies want characters that are as the most appealing as possible)

(sorry for my english)

 

[Hand Banana]

Not on DOFP. There was dysfunction on DOFP but it was on Apocalypse where Kinberg ghost-directed.

It's like we're trapped in an episode of the Kinberg-produced Twilight Zone.

Yeah, I heard both he and Ottman together directed parts of DOFP. Apocalypse is where is where Singer truly bailed.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Reread my post. There was dysfunction on the DOFP set but not to the point of having someone direct because Singer wasn't there. When the crew talks about dysfunction on a Singer set they mean his temper, bad attitude from taking back pain medication etc.

Ghost-directing only happened in Apocalypse. And coincidentally Trank's Fan4stic which saw Kinberg take over.

 

[Hand Banana]

Reread my post. There was dysfunction on the DOFP set but not to the point of having someone direct because Singer wasn't there. When the crew talks about dysfunction on a Singer set they mean his temper, bad attitude from taking back pain medication etc.

Ghost-directing only happened in Apocalypse. And coincidentally Trank's Fan4stic which saw Kinberg take over.

Oh. But I do remember you saying a few pages back that Kinberg, Sigel, and Ottman had to fill for Singer for days on DOFP and you heard that from an inside source.

EDIT: Apparently, Richard Donner ghost directed Origins.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yea Zzzz.

"Simon Kinberg on why Fant4stic didn't work"
"Simon Kinberg on why The Last Stand didn't work"
"Simon Kinberg on why X-Men: Apocalypse didn't work"
"Simon Kinberg on why Dark Phoenix didn't work"

Ain't y'all tired of reading this? Cause I certainly am.

Don't forget we'll soon be reading why New Mutants didn't work as he's doing reshoots for that.

 

[Hand Banana]

People need to stop pushing the false narrative that X3 didn’t work.

Now Kinberg has no one to blame, it's not Singer's or Cameron's fault that his movie was a failure. Kinberg has no talent, just that he's a nice producer

Well he isn’t.

The Business exclusive: Simon Kinberg on the dark fate of ‘Dark Phoenix’

 

[Alison Blaire]

Reread my post. There was dysfunction on the DOFP set but not to the point of having someone direct because Singer wasn't there. When the crew talks about dysfunction on a Singer set they mean his temper, bad attitude from taking back pain medication etc.

Ghost-directing only happened in Apocalypse. And coincidentally Trank's Fan4stic which saw Kinberg take over.

Lauren Shuler confirms what you're saying.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Interesting Dofp interview

Producer Lauren Shuler Donner Talks the Darker Tone, Casting, the X-MEN Franchise, DEADPOOL, Sequels, and More on Set of X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

How ironic that the Dark Phoenix storyline got butchered twice. Singer originally wanted to shoot X3/X4 back to back with Jean going dark in the later movie, that got scrapped which led to a disappointing TLS. Now here we are again finding out that Kinberg planned to do two movies include certain story elements and the studio screwed the Phoenix story again by selling to Disney (thank God) during mid/post production which led to (another) disappointing telling of the Dark Phoenix. Sounds like to me FoX never had faith that this particular storyline could do well if given the proper time allowed to tell the story and hire good writers and directors. This could have been there “Infinity War/Endgame” box office movie but they keep screwing it up. At this point I’m so Phoenix-ed out I don’t wanna see it in the MCU! It’s been done to 4x (X2, TLS, Apocalypse, DP) with no gravitas.

 

[Dark Raven]

Nicholas Hout: No Kinberg. Give up these directing delusions! I will NOT come back for another movie!

 

[Legion]

People need to stop pushing the false narrative that X3 didn’t work.



Well he isn’t.

The Business exclusive: Simon Kinberg on the dark fate of ‘Dark Phoenix’

In 2014 Kinberg said there were many things about X3 he regretted and he regretted where the film ended up. He blames it mostly on the culture of the time.

Writer-Producer Simon Kinberg on 'X-Men: Days Of Future Past' and Tearing Down 'The Last Stand'

DoFP deliberately erased events of X3.

X3 is widely considered one of the worst XMen films. I dont know anyone in my life outside of these forums that actually likes the film. When discussing XMen films it always comes up as "that really bad one".

When I criticized the new film's trailers for looking too much like X3 defenders here said that the "general audience wouldn't remember X3".

But yea I guess that is a false narrative because these are all normal reactions to successful film that worked.

 

[emc5466]

I fully believe Kinberg when he says he’s doing to NM reshoots. Because the one thing I’ve learned from his entire career is that it doesn’t matter how many (many many many many many many many many) mistakes he makes. He just keeps working.

Kinberg keeps getting work because he comes from the JJ Abrams school of corporate hackery. His only talent is sitting in a boardroom taking orders and notes from studio executives.

 

[The Batman]

People need to stop pushing the false narrative that X3 didn’t work.

It didn't work.

They retconned major parts of it in DOFP. The guy who co wrote it just tried to do a do over. The film, along with X-Men Origins, damaged the film brand for a time.

It didn't work. There's no false narrative there.

 

[I Am The Knight]

"People need to stop pushing the false narrative that X3 didn’t work."

Holy s***, man

 

[TheFuture]

I don't know if I'd believe Kinberg's claims that this was supposed to be a two parter but I do believe that Fox selling to Disney undoubtedly ****ed any chance of telling the story they wanted to tell originally.

The Phoenix story is done but good thing that Jean is much bigger than that storyline. There's plenty of stories to tell to include Jean without that aspect.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

"People need to stop pushing the false narrative that X3 didn’t work."

Holy s***, man

X-Men 3 is a good movie, but not a good Dark Phoenix adaption.

Very simple

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[kguillou]

"It clearly is a movie that didn't connect with audiences that didn't see it, it didn't connect enough with audiences that did see it. So that's on me," Kinberg said during an interview with KCRW's The Business. However, the director did add that it wasn't painful for him to reflect on the film so soon after its poor opening weekend because he genuinely likes the movie. "I loved making the movie, and I loved the people I made the movie with," he said.

"I love these characters. I love these world. I'll be super excited to see what Marvel does with them."

Well, at the very least the guy is humble and is taking it all on the chin. Very classy response. He's not lashing out or blaming people he's at least saying "I screwed up." And that's why he will keep getting work, studios love team players like this.