Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[psylockolussus]

Professor PhoeniX teaches astrology!

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[Atakan]

Professor PhoeniX teaches astrology!

This is a great TV spot. Love that we are seeing more of the mansion and the students. Also if that's Zimmer's score, it sounds amazing!

 

[Atakan]

I'm not gonna lie, I love being in these X-Men forums. While it has opposite sides of the Fandom, I love that it's so passionate about X-Men and I haven't been this interested in these forums or even active since The Dark Knight Rises. Hell, that movie was the reason I signed up on here!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

This is a great TV spot. Love that we are seeing more of the mansion and the students. Also if that's Zimmer's score, it sounds amazing!

It is! It’s part of the Phoenix theme!

 

[EnDz0n3]

Professor PhoeniX teaches astrology!

“Professor X teaches ethics” but doubles as foreshadowing. Another one from the Kinberg “vault.”

 

[Atakan]

It is! It’s part of the Phoenix theme!

That's great! Hope to hear more from this.

 

[Cktopl33]

Did you really just pair up a positive social media reaction with a negative review from a different person? The movie is at 78% on RT so the likelihood you would pick a negative review was less, but then here we are. Who does that?

Anyways, have fun talking about Captain Marvel on the X-men boards.

There are negative criticisms in the positive reviews. The point being, social media reactions paint the movie as the best thing Marvel had ever done. The fact that there are 16 films that rank ahead of it show social media reactions shouldn't be the main factor in what critical scores will actually show. That was the whole point of this discussion....review embargoes.

 

[Nadia]

I'm really likening that powers are being used in fun and unique ways in everyday life: Jean with the planets, storm making ice cubes, Nightcrawler mid-BAMF when quicksilver enters speed time,etc.

Not only is it visually interesting, but it feels like something people with powers would do.

The theme music sound great. I like that he has added choral music.

 

[xrs13]

Storm makes ice cubes?

 

[Nadia]

Storm makes ice cubes?

Someone mentioned they saw a trailer/teaser clip in the cinema. It the forest party scene.

Storm apparently creates ice used for Cyclop and Nightcrawler's drinks.

I'm not certain that it will be in the film, it could be a fun thing for the cinema (like editing the Jean fight so she gets angry at phones going off during the film)

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[GuestStar2004]

 

[Iceman]

I'm really likening that powers are being used in fun and unique ways in everyday life: Jean with the planets, storm making ice cubes, Nightcrawler mid-BAMF when quicksilver enters speed time,etc.

Not only is it visually interesting, but it feels like something people with powers would do.

The theme music sound great. I like that he has added choral music.

Yeah, I like touches like that.

 

[EnDz0n3]

There are negative criticisms in the positive reviews. The point being, social media reactions paint the movie as the best thing Marvel had ever done.

The discussion surrounding review embargoes was studios hiding their films, not letting reactions get out, until closer to the release date to maximize the opening weekend numbers.

In the case of CM, we know what the general consensus was, 17 days out: it's good, it's not a mess. What do we know about DPh, 7 days out? A positive review from an SHH member who has seen an old cut of the movie? A positive review from an SHH member who knows someone who has seen it? WOot WoOt.

Feige lifting the social media embargo reactions from lucky audience members, critics and blog sites who were fortunate (?) enough to have seen Captain Marvel SEVENTEEN DAYS ahead of everyone else, showed Feige had confidence in his product. Kinberg not showing the whole film until 3 days before it goes wide, shows Kinberg and the studio don't know what they have.

That's it.

The fact that there are 16 films that rank ahead of it show social media reactions shouldn't be the main factor in what critical scores will actually show. That was the whole point of this discussion....review embargoes.

What you fail to state is the 16 films ahead of it on that ranking have a Rottentomatoes score of 79% or higher. Talk about burying the lede.

 

[Cktopl33]

The discussion surrounding review embargoes was studios hiding their films, not letting reactions get out, until closer to the release date to maximize the opening weekend numbers.

In the case of CM, we know what the general consensus was, 17 days out: it's good, it's not a mess. What do we know about DPh, 7 days out? A positive review from an SHH member who has seen an old cut of the movie? A positive review from an SHH member who knows someone who has seen it? WOot WoOt.

Feige lifting the social media embargo reactions from lucky audience members, critics and blog sites who were fortunate (?) enough to have seen Captain Marvel SEVENTEEN DAYS ahead of everyone else, showed Feige had confidence in his product. Kinberg not showing the whole film until 3 days before it goes wide, shows Kinberg and the studio don't know what they have.

That's it.

What you fail to state is the 16 films ahead of it on that ranking is that those higher-tier films have a Rottentomatoes score of 79% or higher. Oh and they're Marvel Cinematic Universe films. For someone who goes out of their way to bring up Marvel, MCU, Marvel Cinematic Universe, Disney out of nowhere, you sure did go out of your way to bury the lede.

The discussion was on the time span regarding review embargoes for movies (Captain Marvel wasn't the only film discussed) and then you went off on a tangent about social media reactions which wasn't the point of my comments. Early social media reactions for Aladdin were surprising positive despite its rotten score. Thus, my point.

I assumed you knew the 16 films I was referring to ahead of Captain Marvel were....MCU films. That's why I mentioned them. To show social media praise is not always put into perspective.

 

[EnDz0n3]

CM's embargo lift is not an apples to apples comparison to DPh's.

 

[Cktopl33]

When did those reshoot rumors start circulating? I seem to recall it being around the time that the Fox/Disney merger was picking up major steam. I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think their third act was originally intended to be something of a cliffhanger leading into a larger universe, at least for one more film.

Until it wasn't, and had to essentially be reworked into the summation/end of the franchise. That would also help explain why it went from space to a more earthbound humans VS mutants type of conflict.

From what I understand, when they shot the original third act at the U.N., it wasn't really well planned out. Certain executive studio heads at Fox wanted an invasion-like sequence as the climax (basically "since you won't be able to do your 2-movie idea....let's try this because I think this will be good") and Kinberg's team had to shoot it without any real planning because the script had to be re-written while they were in production. That's why it didn't vibe well in test-screenings, which I suspect that's part of the reason for the reshoot. At that time, I don't think the creative team were aware of plans for the acquisition until after production completed.

I think the first test screening was earlier in the year 2018 (before March when the reshoots were announced). They only had three total public test-screening for the film according to a production manager. The movie was being re-altered when it went into production because Fox cut down the planned budget, so all the Shi'ar and Lilandra stuff had already been dropped. Fox, behind the scenes, was planning to move ahead with selling the company before Dark Phoenix was even filmed....so they weren't going to commit to more movies. The Disney/Fox merger was officially announced around a month after the film completed principle photography.

I'm unsure of the timeline of when Kevin Feige came aboard as a creative consultant on the movie (could have been before or while the movie was in production), but he did review the script and later I think he was shown cuts of the movie and of course involved in some capacity with the reshoot or at least influenced it. Captain Marvel didn't start shooting until 5 months after Dark Phoenix wrapped, the same month reshoots were announced. So I'm fairly certain some of the changes from reshoots were influenced by what Disney planned in Captain Marvel due to the fact that Feige knew what was in the script for Dark Phoenix and probably saw a cut of the film by then, thus "passed notes"....you know...as a "consultant". By then, knowing about the acquisition, Kinberg likely didn't want to upset Disney who would soon own these characters and he & Feige have long known each other for years. So I think the reshoots were influenced by both factors: 1) the third act sequence not working well due to rushed planning and 2) similarities drawn from the film & used for Captain Marvel likely as a result of them not working well in Dark Phoenix.

 

[Alison Blaire]

 

[icekid]

Whoaaah I have no idea what scene that’s from. I’ve never seen her in that outfit in the movie.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Sounds like Kinberg isn't the lead character in his life story. Things happen to him, things happen around him, people tell him what to do. Fox forces him to shoot a third act he didn't approve of. (I wonder which genius went into principal photography without a third act written? That seems to have been glossed over in the above write-up. Hmmm...) Then Feige--this movie's "creative consultant"...--tells Kinberg to make changes to his movie. Kinberg not wanting to upset Disney changes his movie.

Poor Simon. *cue world's smallest violin*

The scapegoating continues...

 

[Nadia]

Whoaaah I have no idea what scene that’s from. I’ve never seen her in that outfit in the movie.

In the recent TV spot someone posted above.

She seems to be teaching a science class and causing planet models to float telekinetically. And she seems to be giving an inspirational speech.

I'm curious as to where it falls in the films aswell.

She seems stable. So I don't feel it post-space mission.

And I'm unclear if it can occur before the space mission. I know there is is "suit up" sequence before the head off. Do they possibly have them all being summoned from their classes.

I think it would be a good opening scene for Jean. Establishing her as a kind teacher and the foreshadowing of her "controlling the solar system".

 

[Cktopl33]

Sounds like Kinberg isn't the lead character in his life story. Things happen to him, things happen around him, people tell him what to do. Fox forces him to shoot a third act he didn't approve of. (I wonder which genius went into principal photography without a third act written? That seems to have been glossed over in the above write-up. Hmmm...) Then Feige--this movie's "creative consultant"...--tells Kinberg to do changes to his movie. Kinberg not wanting to upset Disney changes his movie.

Poor Simon. *cue world's smallest violin*

The scapegoating continues...

Studios approve of what get shot. Lots of directors hate this. That's no secret. Sometimes directors are replaced to the studio's liking. The same things happen with Disney. Kinberg had a third act written before the movie went into principle photography. It was re-written because the studio had different ideas & the creative team was blindsided with very little time. That's not anything new. You act like this hardly ever happens. You should know better, especially with Fox. That's not "scapegoating"....it's just what happened. That's the explanation for the changes done to this movie. That's it. And I'm pretty sure Disney could simply order the changes they wanted to the third act anyway since the movie would eventually fall into their hands......so either way it seemed unavoidable and I'm sure Kinberg understood this.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'd love the original Act 3 to be on the eventual Blu-ray. Because why not? It would make a great selling point for the Blu-ray edition to have an alternate cut on it, or at least an alternate third act. They may as well make the most of what they have.

The other films in this franchise should get revisited too for special cuts since this is gonna be the last time these films get touched. They might as well go all out before they just end up gathering dust in Disney's archives.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Whoaaah I have no idea what scene that’s from. I’ve never seen her in that outfit in the movie.