Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[josh8]

I just can't get over the decision to make Phoenix wear a long red coat again lol. That's proof enough that he's an idiot.

 

[JP]

Any chance this film had at hitting 50 mil this weekend is in the toilet.

 

[josh8]

The merger and the two parter thing have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. I don’t think once Disney came on board they held him back in any way and I actually think he could have benefited greatly if they had smacked his hand a little here and there with his decisions in the editing room.

Also, so much money wasted in production, so so much. So many alternate scenes, alternate shots and the entire third act that would have essentially gotten the same reception but with less character spectacle but more of a grand flare.

Ultimately, this film could have been more financially successful if it stayed its originally shot course for November or February.

thanks for the insight, but honestly I just have to see your posts as equal to anyone else's because i don't have any proof that you're actually involved with the production.

 

[Cktopl33]

Yesterday Variety reported that Kinberg Cast Diane Kruger in his new spy thriller, 355.

Jessica Chastain is the star of the film, she is also joined by Sebastian Stan Penelope Cruz,Edgar Ramirez Lupita Ny'ongo and Bingbing Fan.

So whatever happens with DP, Kinberg has got one more turn at the director's chair coming up.

We'll it's called an action thriller, so if Kinberg has one thing going for him, it seems like he can handle action ok. He'll be a co-writer again for this movie. I don't know what studio this is under, but hopefully he'll have a better run this time. He's definitely learned some stuff after Dark Phoenix.

 

[autumnkid2000]

I literally just got out of my screening.

It was not a trainwreck, but it was not particularly good either.

Are the rumors that the third act/climax was completely reshot true? Because if it is, thank goodness for those who interfered because that was easily the best part of the movie — the action was snappy and well-choreographed — things we’ve never seen with this franchise before.

I’ll post more of my thoughts on the other thread but I just wanna say it here: I hope this movie serves as a wakeup call not just for Hollywood but for Simon Kinberg himself: he is a hack who got his gigs not on intrinsic merits.

 

[imbruglia]

reading some of local reviews, many people are disappointed how it ends after all the xmen series and everything. so yeah.. it wasn't good choice to position this as end of x men.. lol

 

[icekid]

thanks for the insight, but honestly I just have to see your posts as equal to anyone else's because i don't have any proof that you're actually involved with the production.

That’s fine, just looking at the timeline of when things happened it’s clear that the merger didn’t affect the film because if it did, we wouldn’t be getting what we did tonight.

Sidenote, who would prove that they’re with production on a internet board lol, providing public proof kind of breaks the whole agreement production member, which I’m not. Ironically all the members here with “a source” have the same source but don’t realize it.

 

[JP]

“June 5, 2019
Kinberg obviously knows these characters well, and he's spent more than thirteen years bringing them to life on the screen; so why don't we actively care more about them?”


This is a thing I’ve been so tired of hearing over the last 10 years. Why is that the buzz phrase about Kinberg? “He certainly know these characters inside and out!” “He obviously knows these character better than anyone!” “He knows these characters and this universe better than anyone!”

No. He does not. He never did and he never will.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I literally just got out of my screening.

It was not a trainwreck, but it was not particularly good either.

Are the rumors that the third act/climax was completely reshot true? Because if it is, thank goodness for those who interfered because that was easily the best part of the movie — the action was snappy and well-choreographed — things we’ve never seen with this franchise before.

I’ll post more of my thoughts on the other thread but I just wanna say it here: I hope this movie serves as a wakeup call not just for Hollywood but for Simon Kinberg himself: he is a hack who got his gigs not on intrinsic merits.

Lies, there is a literal trainwreck in the movie!

 

[psylockolussus]

Simon Kinberg should never be allowed to adapt comic book material again. He ruined the Phoenix Saga TWICE!

Just really embarrassing.

 

[icekid]

“June 5, 2019
Kinberg obviously knows these characters well, and he's spent more than thirteen years bringing them to life on the screen; so why don't we actively care more about them?”


This is a thing I’ve been so tired of hearing over the last 10 years. Why is that the buzz phrase about Kinberg? “He certainly know these characters inside and out!” “He obviously knows these character better than anyone!” “He knows these characters and this universe better than anyone!”

No. He does not. He never did and he never will.

He tried to make Storm this angry dismissive character, for what little there is, TWICE now to the point where it was brought to his attention that’s not who she is and he took it as news and moved on.


He doesn’t know characters, he knows storylines. Problem is, his understanding of those storylines are disconnected from the prior seemingly unimportant storyline that developed those characters to where they were then.

Unfortunately, that’s the exact way every entry in this franchise plays out, disconnected from each other and missing important pieces in what’s trying to be sold as a larger puzzle.

I can’t do anything but sigh at this point.

 

[EnDz0n3]

“June 5, 2019
Kinberg obviously knows these characters well, and he's spent more than thirteen years bringing them to life on the screen; so why don't we actively care more about them?”


This is a thing I’ve been so tired of hearing over the last 10 years. Why is that the buzz phrase about Kinberg? “He certainly know these characters inside and out!” “He obviously knows these character better than anyone!” “He knows these characters and this universe better than anyone!”

No. He does not. He never did and he never will.

Yea it's like one person said it and every other blogger repeated the lie.

Also, Chris Claremont is the answer. Chris Claremont knows these characters better than anyone. Always has and always will be.

I saw part of the red carpet and "Agent M" and Cink had Fassbender on. "M" asks Fassy a question about Genosha (correctly pronouncing it) and Fassbender answers him saying Genosha the same (wrong) way Kinberg has been saying it. The two hosts momentarily look at the camera in contorted facial expressions.

Sigh.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He tried to make Storm this angry dismissive character, for what little there is, TWICE now to the point where it was brought to his attention that’s not who she is and he took it as news and moved on.


He doesn’t know characters, he knows storylines. Problem is, his understanding of those storylines are disconnected from the prior seemingly unimportant storyline that developed those characters to where they were then.

Unfortunately, that’s the exact way every entry in this franchise plays out, disconnected from each other and missing important pieces in what’s trying to be sold as a larger puzzle.

I can’t do anything but sigh at this point.

Does he?

 

[JP]

Yea it's like one person said it and every other blogger repeated the lie.

Also, Chris Claremont is the answer. Chris Claremont knows these characters better than anyone. Always has and always will be.

I saw part of the red carpet and "Agent M" and Cink had Fassbender on. "M" asks Fassy a question about Genosha (correctly pronouncing it) and Fassbender answers him saying Genosha the same (wrong) way Kinberg has been saying it. The two hosts momentarily look at the camera in contorted facial expressions.

Sigh.

Kinberg also once said in an interview that he had no knowledge of Magda and Anya until Fassbender mentioned it to him on a plane and Kinberg decided to add that element into XMA.

 

[Iceman]

Yea it's like one person said it and every other blogger repeated the lie.

Also, Chris Claremont is the answer. Chris Claremont knows these characters better than anyone. Always has and always will be.

I saw part of the red carpet and "Agent M" and Cink had Fassbender on. "M" asks Fassy a question about Genosha (correctly pronouncing it) and Fassbender answers him saying Genosha the same (wrong) way Kinberg has been saying it. The two hosts momentarily look at the camera in contorted facial expressions.

Sigh.

 

[icekid]

Does he?

Correction, *profitable* storylines.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kinberg also once said in an interview that he had no knowledge of Magda and Anya until Fassbender mentioned it to him on a plane and Kinberg decided to add that element into XMA.

That makes me love Fassbender more. You can tell all these actors were fond of these roles. They truly cared. But one by one, it is like this machine sucked the will out of them.

 

[icekid]

Kinberg also once said in an interview that he had no knowledge of Magda and Anya until Fassbender mentioned it to him on a plane and Kinberg decided to add that element into XMA.

And Fassbender is the guy who has gone on record to say he knows nothing outside of what’s given to him for prep work. Uggghh

Simon is so selective it’s really a toss up on what he knows and what he’s oblivious to.

 

[henzINNIT]

Thanks Kinberg for all of your hard work, you hack piece of sh*t. It's Hollywood so you'll no doubt claw your way into more jobs in future, but I pray Marvel are smart enough to kick you to the curb.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Correction, *profitable* storylines.

Again, does he? Because the profitability of these movies have not been high outside of Deadpool and Logan. Heck DC has been throwing stuff at the wall for years, and have been way more profitable.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I'm glad we can ALL just finally sit back and agree that Kinberg is a hack and we don't have to explain ourselves. Most of us have been at that space since at least 2017 when he was announced as this movie's director.

A few since 2006 when TLS came out...

Welcome the rest of y'all.

 

[kevork89]

What a disappointment. Can’t say I’m surprised. I’m going in with an open mind I know this is not gonna be good from the character and story POV but the visuals, action, Sophie and sound seem to be getting the best praise which is great. I think I’ll like this but it’ll be like what other people are saying and that’s it’s just meh.

 

[JP]

I'm glad we can ALL just finally sit back and agree that Kinberg is a hack and we don't have to explain ourselves.

Has the bubble burst? Are we finally out of that weird twilight zone we’ve been in the last 2 years?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Has the bubble burst? Are we finally out of that weird twilight zone we’ve been in the last 2 years?

Kinberg producing the Twilight Zone revival show, was that Kinberg being meta? In the same way Kinberg set this movie's third act in a train wreck? LOL

 

[Darkprime]

The merger and the two parter thing have nothing to do with each other whatsoever. I don’t think once Disney came on board they held him back in any way and I actually think he could have benefited greatly if they had smacked his hand a little here and there with his decisions in the editing room.

Also, so much money wasted in production, so so much. So many alternate scenes, alternate shots and the entire third act that would have essentially gotten the same reception but with less character spectacle but more of a grand flare.

Ultimately, this film could have been more financially successful if it stayed its originally shot course for November or February.

Yea Id agree with that I think coming out after EndGame and Captain Marvel probably hurt the film. If it came out before it could have stood on its own more. And had more room to.breath.