Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[Nintendo]

Let it be true! I want this franchise to go out the right way, not to just be stopped cold in it's tracks.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

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I could see Multiple Man and X-Force happening if FOX can get them to the shooting stage before the deal is finalized.

Those New Mutants and Dark Phoenix sequels are not going to happen I don't think.

 

[Mya]

I guess it would all depend on their box office results.

 

[def28]

Having Deadpool be R Rated was addressed pretty quickly after the merge deal. Don't think it's much of a surprise that X-Force will still happen.

Too much money there as well as a fanbase. They won't want to lose or anger regarding to that.

 

[Charzhin0]

Good news. Hopefuly Gambit makes it all the way through too, thats the 1 im most looking forward too.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I guess it would all depend on their box office results.

I think it depends on if Disney wants X-Men and Fantastic Four to be part of the MCU or not. If they do, rebooting those properties the cleanest and most direct option. Which means sequels to Dark Phoenix ain't happening.

I am skeptical if X-Force winds up happening, despite the fact that Goddard is still attached to it. Obviously FOX isn't going to go dark and stop work on their movies until the deal is finalized. Its what happens once Disney gets full control, is the real question.

 

[JP]

I could see Multiple Man and X-Force happening if FOX can get them to the shooting stage before the deal is finalized.

Those New Mutants and Dark Phoenix sequels are not going to happen I don't think.

The Dark Phoenix sequel is already shot and coming out in 2019. Y’all can quote me on that...

 

[Phoenix Egg]

The Dark Phoenix sequel is already shot and coming out in 2019. Y’all can quote me on that...

Don't get me wrong, I would love it, but I wouldn't bet money on it.

 

[Marvel united]

X-Force will probably happen and be part of the MCU. Current X-Men won't

 

[Frankeh]

The Dark Phoenix sequel is already shot and coming out in 2019. Y’all can quote me on that...

I wanna see the receipts

 

[SuperT]

Disney & Marvel Studios are a business at the end of the day. If New Mutants is a hit critically and financially this year why wouldn't they make sequels? Same for Deadpool 2 - if it makes money and audiences love the addition of Cable and Domino of course they'll move forward with an X-Force movie and another Deadpool.

They're not just going to walk away from money.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Disney & Marvel Studios are a business at the end of the day. If New Mutants is a hit critically and financially this year why wouldn't they make sequels? Same for Deadpool 2 - if it makes money and audiences love the addition of Cable and Domino of course they'll move forward with an X-Force movie and another Deadpool.

They're not just going to walk away from money.

Obliviously Disney and Marvel are going to continue making X-Men movies. But will they be sequels to the FOXverse movies or will they be MCU X-men movies? I can see Disney wanting everything Marvel under one roof, in one universe.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 made good money and could've supported another sequel. Didn't stop Marvel from rebooting the property once they partnered up with Sony.

 

[psyonic]

lol Everyone was adamant the current cast would be fired..

 

[Hand Banana]

X-Force will probably happen and be part of the MCU. Current X-Men won't

That wouldn’t make any sense. Possibly even more so after Deadpool 2.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 made good money and could've supported another sequel. Didn't stop Marvel from rebooting the property once they partnered up with Sony.

Marvel didn’t reboot Spider-Man. Sony did after they lose their lead actor and all the hacks that cost them money. Marvel Studios doesn’t really own Spider-Man since the non-MCU Venom movie.

After Doctor Strange hinting at and the DC shows exploring the multiverse there is really no excuse to just have one Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[def28]

That wouldn’t make any sense. Possibly even more so after Deadpool 2.

Does it make sense that Deadpool knows that Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury? Or that DC characters exist?

Or that Kevin Feigie is named dropped in a easter egg in that film and there is a graveyard for a very similar looking helicarrier vehicle? They wanted an established connection to a larger Marvel world.

By the end of Infinity War, rules are gonna be changed anyways.

 

[Marvel united]

That wouldn’t make any sense. Possibly even more so after Deadpool 2.





Marvel didn’t reboot Spider-Man. Sony did after they lose their lead actor and all the hacks that cost them money. Marvel Studios doesn’t really own Spider-Man since the non-MCU Venom movie.

DEAD WRONG. Marvel Studios was the ones who DEMANDED that Sony reboot Spider-Man in the MCU not vice-versa. Sony did not want to reboot the franchise and this is part of the reason why the initial talks fell apart in 2012. After the hacks, they had no choice. Feige always intended to reboot Spider-Man & Garfield never fitted his vision of what Spider-Man should be

After Doctor Strange hinting at and the DC shows exploring the multiverse there is really no excuse to just have one Marvel Cinematic Universe.

X-Men are CONFIRMED to be coming to the MCU. It was one of the first things Disney themselves ever clarified about the acquisition. And Bob Iger reiterated that Disney fully intends to reunite the X-Men with Kevin Feige. Its not even a question of if it will happen anymore, but when. The REAL question is -- Why would Kevin want anything to do with Singer's mess of a universe? Why would he want to wad through it and try to salvage fresh stories for the MCU?

Does it make sense that Deadpool knows that Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury? Or that DC characters exist?


Or that Kevin Feigie is named dropped in a easter egg in that film and there is a graveyard for a very similar looking helicarrier vehicle? They wanted an established connection to a larger Marvel world.


By the end of Infinity War, rules are gonna be changed anyways.

Deadpool is also confirmed by Iger and Disney to be coming to the MCU. I don't know why people keep wondering about this when it was already confirmed by the President of Disney himself. That's why X-Force will most likely be reworked a little bit to fit MCU canon

 

[Hand Banana]

DEAD WRONG. Marvel Studios was the ones who DEMANDED that Sony reboot Spider-Man in the MCU not vice-versa. Sony did not want to reboot the franchise and this is part of the reason why the initial talks fell apart in 2012. After the hacks, they had no choice. Feige always intended to reboot Spider-Man & Garfield never fitted his vision of what Spider-Man should be

What you said doesn’t contradict my point at all. Which is that Sony still owns the rights to Spider-Man. So no, I’m not dead wrong.

Where did you hear about the 2012 talk? Because Feige was a producer AMS1 which came out in 2012...

X-Men are CONFIRMED to be coming to the MCU. It was one of the first things Disney themselves ever clarified about the acquisition. And Bob Iger reiterated that Disney fully intends to reunite the X-Men with Kevin Feige. Its not even a question of if it will happen anymore, but when. The REAL question is -- Why would Kevin want anything to do with Singer's mess of a universe? Why would he want to wad through it and try to salvage fresh stories for the MCU?

And this also doesn’t contradict anything I said. Because that would still make them apart of the MCU.

Did you not know about the fact that Kevin Feige’s career started with the X-Men franchise and his overall praise of the series? Here is what he said about Deadpool.

“The thing that Deadpool shows is, when you present something unique to an audience, they will respond to it. When you present something as popular as a superhero character, in a different and unique and crazy way as they did in Deadpool, it demands attention and audiences went to it. They pulled it off. Tim Miller did a tremendous job. The other secret, and why it’s still a secret, I don’t know, but they just took what Deadpool is in the comics. He breaks the fourth wall. He talks into the camera. He doesn’t give a ***** about any of the other heroes. He doesn’t take anything seriously.

“All of that is what made Deadpool so popular in the comics. Tim and his writers and Ryan Reynolds were able to get that and even magnify that up on the big screen. We’ve always said if there’s any ‘secret’ it’s respect the source material, understand the source material and then, any adaptation you make from the source material should be done only to enhance whatever the original pure spirit of the source material was. Deadpool hit on all cylinders with that.”

https://screenrant.com/kevin-feige-deadpool-marvel-success/

I don’t know you where you got that he disliked the series.

Deadpool is also confirmed by Iger and Disney to be coming to the MCU. I don't know why people keep wondering about this when it was already confirmed by the President of Disney himself. That's why X-Force will most likely be reworked a little bit to fit MCU canon

Trying to rework X-Force in the MCU as anything other than an alternate universe is going to be a mess. Hell, the first Deadpool’s plot wouldn’t fit in the MCU since it’s estblished that mutants were known to the public for years and that’s a key factor in Wade’s origin. Deadpool 2 is likely going to make reworking it into the MCU be even more nonsensical if speculation about plot based on the teaser are true.

Does it make sense that Deadpool knows that Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury? Or that DC characters exist?

Well, yeah. Even in Marvel comics characters are shown to have read/watch DC properties.

Or that Kevin Feigie is named dropped in a easter egg in that film and there is a graveyard for a very similar looking helicarrier vehicle? They wanted an established connection to a larger Marvel world.

Or just have some cool easter egg.

By the end of Infinity War, rules are gonna be changed anyways.

They haven’t revealed anything about what’s going to happen.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

You know we’re all making this hoopla on how the MCU is going to explain the existence of mutants since they were never mentioned these last ten years and honestly they don’t need to explain. All these comic book characters exist in their own world, Iron Man Spider-Man etc deal with their own threats unless it’s cross over event, so it could possibly be that mutants have always been apart of the MCU it’s just that mutants didn’t fit their overall ten year story (if future writers/Feige go that direction).

So their next phases of films can focus on the mutant plight, if they do keep the Fox cast it’ll be great because those films can stay set in the 90s and build their way up. Since DOFP reset everything they can go ahead, forge new stories, cast their new Wolverine and Captain Marvel vs Rogue can happen so she can acquire her strength and flight in a future film.

If they decide to keep what Fox has set up then we can still get that X23 spin off (MCU style), X-Force would be the polar opposite of the Avengers (which would kick ass under the direction Feige) it’s just sad because I want characters like Jubilee, Angel, Banshee, Apocalypse and more to get another chance because they were wasted in their respective films. But once again all this is just speculation so we just have to wait and see what the future holds after NM, Deadpool 2 and DP are released.

 

[Marvel united]

What you said doesn’t contradict my point at all. Which is that Sony still owns the rights to Spider-Man. So no, I’m not dead wrong.

You're implying/insinuating that rebooting Spider-Man was Sony's decision when it really wasn't, at all. Alan Fine & Feige were the ones heavily pushing for a reboot. Amy Pascal did no want a reboot and only budged because the leaked emails ruined Sony and they were forced to play ball.

Where did you hear about the 2012 talk? Because Feige was a producer AMS1 which came out in 2012...

So what? He was also an executive producer on Singer-Men movies. Executive producers have zero power over anything. Example: Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are executive producers for Homecoming. Where did I hear it? From the leaked emails. This was after the first TASM had just came out when Disney tried to buy Spider-Man back. Sony and Marvel had brief negotiations and they butted heads over whether to bring Garfield in which Marvel did not want to do. This is where those rumors of "Oscorp tower being in the Avengers skyline" emerged from back in 2012.

And this also doesn’t contradict anything I said. Because that would still make them apart of the MCU.

No it wouldn't because Feige likely wouldn't want them apart of the MCU.

Did you not know about the fact that Kevin Feige’s career started with the X-Men franchise and his overall praise of the series? Here is what he said about Deadpool.



https://screenrant.com/kevin-feige-deadpool-marvel-success/

Yes, I know. I hope you're not implying Feige won't want his own rebooted X-Men just because he worked on the first two films. Feige was a producer on almost all of those early Marvel films, including Sony Spider-Man films.

I don’t know you where you got that he disliked the series.

I never said he disliked the series and even if he did, he would NEVER publicly say he doesn't. He even complimented the ghastly Amazing Spider-Man 2 in the past. It would be terrible PR & drama if he came out and said he hates Kinberg's work.

Trying to rework X-Force in the MCU as anything other than an alternate universe is going to be a mess.

No, not really. Not as much as trying to rework the bloated, convulted Singer-Men timeline in.

 

[Davidstorm]

it was not the marvel that thought of the idea of rebooting spider man, it was sony itself, that I am not satisfied with the box office of TASM2 (which was even smaller of the franchise), marvel just followed the idea of sony that was to reboot.
including marvel had conversations with the garfiel, but sony did not want, and preferred a younger actor to follow their plan.

 

[Davidstorm]

NM and DP
everything depends on the box office, if it is well received by critics and go well at the box office, disney will not simply pretend they did not exist, that would be a big mistake.
in case both go well at the box office, and much more advantage to disney simply pick up and continue, and then create a way to get everyone together if you want to
but if it's not well boxed, the reboot is easier, logical and natural to happen.

 

[Marvel united]

it was not the marvel that thought of the idea of rebooting spider man, it was sony itself, that I am not satisfied with the box office of TASM2 (which was even smaller of the franchise), marvel just followed the idea of sony that was to reboot.
including marvel had conversations with the garfiel, but sony did not want, and preferred a younger actor to follow their plan.

Yeah.. no. This is flat out incorrect. Sony had EVERY intention of following through with TASM franchise before the hack happened. They had already set a release date for Sinister Six, already had a director and they had already started sending casting calls out for it in August 2014. Marvel were the one who suggested and DEMANDED a reboot. It was Kevin Feige's pitch specifically to Pascal to do a 15 year old Peter Parker and cast an actual teenager for the part, not Sony. Sony's bts ideas on th otherhand, to save the franchise were horrible. Ranging from Aunt May suggestions to Kingpin soap opera

And Sony were the ones who tried to have talks with Garfield, they had a bts falling out after TASM2. He failed to show for multiple meetings discussing TASM3 and other future movies. Marvel never tried to get Garfield in the MCU

 

[Hand Banana]

You're implying/insinuating that rebooting Spider-Man was Sony's decision when it really wasn't, at all. Alan Fine & Feige were the ones heavily pushing for a reboot. Amy Pascal did no want a reboot and only budged because the leaked emails ruined Sony and they were forced to play ball.

IIRC, that talk happened after Feige saw AMS2.

So what? He was also an executive producer on Singer-Men movies. Executive producers have zero power over anything. Example: Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach are executive producers for Homecoming. Where did I hear it? From the leaked emails. This was after the first TASM had just came out when Disney tried to buy Spider-Man back. Sony and Marvel had brief negotiations and they butted heads over whether to bring Garfield in which Marvel did not want to do. This is where those rumors of "Oscorp tower being in the Avengers skyline" emerged from back in 2012.

Actually, he was only executive producer in regards to X3. He was co-producer on X2 like he was on some of the MCU films and his involvement with X1 was significant enough to get him a position at Marvel Studios.

I’m not saying he had power over the movie but did help with the budget, which is what executives producers do the last I checked.

Yes, I know. I hope you're not implying Feige won't want his own rebooted X-Men just because he worked on the first two films. Feige was a producer on almost all of those early Marvel films, including Sony Spider-Man films.

I’m not implying that all. In fact I think they were going to retire the main series anyway after the Phoenix story was done. Since DOFP’s main purpose was to have second chance at that storyline and Hugh Jackman was done.

No, not really. Not as much as trying to rework the bloated, convulted Singer-Men timeline in.

I edited in a reason why that wouldn’t sense and Deadpool is apart of that timeline.

 

[Hand Banana]

You know we’re all making this hoopla on how the MCU is going to explain the existence of mutants since they were never mentioned these last ten years and honestly they don’t need to explain. All these comic book characters exist in their own world, Iron Man Spider-Man etc deal with their own threats unless it’s cross over event, so it could possibly be that mutants have always been apart of the MCU it’s just that mutants didn’t fit their overall ten year story (if future writers/Feige go that direction).

People with super powers are established as a recent thing to the public in the MCU. And SHEILD wouldn’t have needed to form the Avengers if mutants and the X-Men were around.

 

[Davidstorm]

Yeah.. no. This is flat out incorrect. Sony had EVERY intention of following through with TASM franchise before the hack happened. They had already set a release date for Sinister Six, already had a director and they had already started sending casting calls out for it in August 2014. Marvel were the one who suggested and DEMANDED a reboot. It was Kevin Feige's pitch specifically to Pascal to do a 15 year old Peter Parker and cast an actual teenager for the part, not Sony. Sony's bts ideas on th otherhand, to save the franchise were horrible. Ranging from Aunt May suggestions to Kingpin soap opera

And Sony were the ones who tried to have talks with Garfield, they had a bts falling out after TASM2. He failed to show for multiple meetings discussing TASM3 and other future movies. Marvel never tried to get Garfield in the MCU

Well, the fact is that we do not know 100% of anything about the case "Spiderman"

it rolls several and several rumors, mainly after the episode of leaked emails of the sony about Spiderman

Anyway, I think the reboot idea was already around sony after the weak box office of the movie + criticism from the audience with the actor because of his statements of the sexuality of the character, because logically if the sony had not already thought about the reboot would not have made the agreement with marvel ..