Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[Marvel united]

Well, the fact is that we do not know 100% of anything about the case "Spiderman"

it rolls several and several rumors, mainly after the episode of leaked emails of the sony about Spiderman

Anyway, I think the reboot idea was already around sony after the weak box office of the movie + criticism from the audience with the actor because of his statements of the sexuality of the character, because logically if the sony had not already thought about the reboot would not have made the agreement with marvel ..

It's more the fact that Sony had no negotiating leverage, they were in a very weak position after the Hack (a lot of people lost their jobs, including Pascal who "stepped down") and Sony Corporate in Japan weren't happy with how the franchise was doing and put pressure on them to make the deal.

The fact that Marvel already wanted a reboot when Sony didn't speaks volumes.

 

[Marvel united]

IIRC, that talk happened after Feige saw AMS2.

No, it happened in 2012 somewhere between April and August

Actually, he was only executive producer in regards to X3. He was co-producer on X2 like he was on some of the MCU films and his involvement with X1 was significant enough to get him a position at Marvel Studios.

He clearly had nowhere near as much influence on X2 as he does on MCU films, though. He was more heavily involved with X1, and we can thank Feige for some of the more comic-booky elements in the movie like Wolverine's classic hair,

I’m not saying he had power over the movie but did help with the budget, which is what executives producers do the last I checked.

And I'm saying it's not going to make a difference when he reboots the X-Men into the MCU. Him having worked on the old films from the early 2000s is not going to suddenly make him rethink what's best for the MCU (complete reboot) especially since we know Feige wanted the franchise to go in a different direction than it did. I think the only thing that's coming over is Donner since she was the one who got Feige the job. It's possible he'll want to bring her over as a producer of the new films.

I’m not implying that all. In fact I think they were going to retire the main series anyway after the Phoenix story was done. Since DOFP’s main purpose was to have second chance at that storyline and Hugh Jackman was done.

So Marvel is suppose to deal with Fox's scraps and bones after Dark Phoenix? Not being able to do their own take on characters like Cyclops, Storm and Wolverine? You know THR reported that Marvel Studios is very excited to reboot Wolverine, right? That's our first sign as to what is going to happen.

I edited in a reason why that wouldn’t sense and Deadpool is apart of that timeline.

Deadpool really isn't, not in the same way as Dark Phoenix. It almost seemed to exist in the midway point between Singer-Men and the MCU. Which is why Reynolds will be coming to the MCU

 

[psylockolussus]

The Dark Phoenix sequel is already shot and coming out in 2019. Y’all can quote me on that...

This would be funny to see once Dp gets slaughtered by the critics and underperformed at the box office. A back to back mess. Geez Fox!

Though filming 2 films at the same time probably saved them a lot of money.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Force will probably happen and be part of the MCU. Current X-Men won't

Doubt it. MCU doesn't even need its cast. I also don't like Domino's look so I would hate it if that look continues to be Domino's look in the MCU.

 

[Hand Banana]

No, it happened in 2012 somewhere between April and August

Can you post a source to this? Because I’m pretty sure it was after AM2.

And I'm saying it's not going to make a difference when he reboots the X-Men into the MCU. Him having worked on the old films from the early 2000s is not going to suddenly make him rethink what's best for the MCU (complete reboot) especially since we know Feige wanted the franchise to go in a different direction than it did. I think the only thing that's coming over is Donner since she was the one who got Feige the job. It's possible he'll want to bring her over as a producer of the new films.

That quote was about him on AM1.

So Marvel is suppose to deal with Fox's scraps and bones after Dark Phoenix? Not being able to do their own take on characters like Cyclops, Storm and Wolverine? You know THR reported that Marvel Studios is very excited to reboot Wolverine, right? That's our first sign as to what is going to happen.

Oh, they are not going to rebooted Wolverine right after Logan. Given their comments about being hesitant on recasting RDJ. They will focus on other X-characters given what they did with Homecoming. But I doubt they will rush a reboot in anyway given what Feige said last year.

Deadpool really isn't, not in the same way as Dark Phoenix. It almost seemed to exist in the midway point between Singer-Men and the MCU. Which is why Reynolds will be coming to the MCU

Who said Reynolds will be coming to the MCU? And you’re forgetting about Deadpool 2 possibly making stronger ties to the main films with the hints of Purifers and the Messiah Saga.

 

[Jh7058622]

Does it make sense that Deadpool knows that Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury? Or that DC characters exist?

Or that Kevin Feigie is named dropped in a easter egg in that film and there is a graveyard for a very similar looking helicarrier vehicle? They wanted an established connection to a larger Marvel world.

By the end of Infinity War, rules are gonna be changed anyways.

I thought you didn't like confusing timelines that's why some of you are so gung ho about Marvel Disney taking over and reebooting. Now all of a sudden to keep your narrative going you say it's alright to have it?

 

[psylockolussus]

Deadpool 3 is coming out in 2020 or 2021. While I don't see X-Force going beyond X-Force 3. By that time, Marvel would be busy with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four, while Deadpool would be showing its age. So I doubt they would care. Deadpool isn't gonna be an exception.

Disney wouldn't cancel Deadpool and X-Force but integrating them in the MCU is a different issue.

 

[Hand Banana]

Deadpool 3 is coming out in 2020 or 2021. While I don't see X-Force going beyond X-Force 3. By that time, Marvel would be busy with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four, while Deadpool would be showing its age. So I doubt they would care. Deadpool isn't gonna be an exception.

Disney wouldn't cancel Deadpool and X-Force but integrating them in the MCU is a different issue.

Kevin Feige says other wise. He said their schedule is too full at the moment to be making those movies. The X-Men need world building before actually using them and it’s unlikely that a F4 movie would be made anytime soon after the 2015 film. Marvel Studios can only make so many movies per year and has a lot of characters. They're in no hurry.

 

[metaphysician]

X-Force will probably happen and be part of the MCU. Current X-Men won't

Given the chances that Deadpool will be incorporated into whatever Marvel ends up doing? Yeah, I can see it as a possibility.

 

[Marvel united]

Can you post a source to this? Because I’m pretty sure it was after AM2.



That quote was about him on AM1.



Oh, they are not going to rebooted Wolverine right after Logan. Given their comments about being hesitant on recasting RDJ. They will focus on other X-characters given what they did with Homecoming. But I doubt they will rush a reboot in anyway given what Feige said last year.



Who said Reynolds will be coming to the MCU? And you’re forgetting about Deadpool 2 possibly making stronger ties to the main films with the hints of Purifers and the Messiah Saga.

That has nothing to do with the MCU... Logan has nothing to do with the MCU... What Feige said about RDJ has NOTHING to do with Hugh Jackman... I just can't... Mental Gymnastics too strong..

 

[Marvel united]

Oh and by the way, they are

http://****************.com/movies/marvel-studios-excited-recastingrebooting-wolverine-mcu/

 

[Hand Banana]

That has nothing to do with the MCU... Logan has nothing to do with the MCU... What Feige said about RDJ has NOTHING to do with Hugh Jackman... I just can't... Mental Gymnastics too strong..

Oh it does. RDJ’s performance as Iron Man was so definitive that they are hesitant to recast him after he is gone. Just like how Huge Jackson’s performance of Wolverine was definitive.

It’s not mental gymnastics but common sense. And you’re acting like Hollywood reporter never has been wrong on something.

 

[NotNickFury]

Oh it does. RDJ’s performance as Iron Man was so definitive that they are hesitant to recast him after he is gone. Just like how Huge Jackson’s performance of Wolverine was definitive.

It’s not mental gymnastics but common sense. And you’re acting like Hollywood reporter never has been wrong on something.

You mean Jackman? Although admittedly I read that first as him being named Huge Jackman...which isn't too unrealistic.

 

[Marvel united]

Oh it does. RDJ’s performance as Iron Man was so definitive that they are hesitant to recast him after he is gone. Just like how Huge Jackson’s performance of Wolverine was definitive.

Hugh Jackman is not Wolverine in the MCU. Feige was talking about the Avengers actors, not people from completely unrelated productions. Hugh was great but he not definitive. They can easily give us a more comic accurate Logan.

It’s not mental gymnastics but common sense. And you’re acting like Hollywood reporter never has been wrong on something.

No, it's not common sense. Common sense would be knowing that there's no way in hell that Marvel won't ever use Wolverine; one of the most popular X-Men ever. And they sure as he'll won't and AREN'T afraid to replace Jackman. And that's just pure denial, dude. The Hollywood Reporter specializes in scoops and have multiple sources within the Studio itself or close to it. Why would they be wrong about Marvel wanting to reboot Wolverine when it makes so much sense?

 

[Zant]

As long as Kinberg and Donner are producing and its funded and distributed by FOX, its the FOX-Xverse/Singer-verse not the MCU. It would be hilarious seeing Feige, the producer of the biggest franchise on earth desperately trying to shoehorn Deadpool and Xforce films into his universe. No matter the possible contractions and possible closer tie-ins to the Singerverse that they could still have ......Ok then.

 

[Marvel united]

As long as Kinberg and Donner are producing and its funded and distributed by FOX, its the FOX-Xverse/Singer-verse not the MCU. It would be hilarious seeing Feige, the producer of the biggest franchise on earth desperately trying to shoehorn Deadpool and Xforce films into his universe. No matter the possible contractions and possible closer tie-ins to the Singerverse that they could still have ......Ok then.

It'll be Kinberg begging for scraps not Feige. All contril will be relinquished to him

 

[Zant]

It'll Kinberg begging for scraps not Feige.

People seem so sure Feige will desperately try to force the Deadpool/Xforce stuff into MCU continuity, so who knows.

I though the Gifted show would be the first victim of the proposed merger,I was wrong.I thought this film would be the last FOX/Xmen film. I may be wrong again. I think at this point, I will just wait and see.

But I think as long as a film is in some sort of production then they are safe from the merger.

 

[def28]

Gifted is co-produced with Marvel. Why would a show they are involved with be a victim?

I thought you didn't like confusing timelines that's why some of you are so gung ho about Marvel Disney taking over and reebooting. Now all of a sudden to keep your narrative going you say it's alright to have it?

You do realize Deadpool has only had 1 film and breaks all the rules right?

What are you talking about?

 

[Hand Banana]

Hugh Jackman is not Wolverine in the MCU. Feige was talking about the Avengers actors, not people from completely unrelated productions. Hugh was great but he not definitive. They can easily give us a more comic accurate Logan.

It doesn’t really matter that Hugh’s Wolverine wasn’t in the MCU. It would still be like replacing Iron Man right away. Hugh played Wolverine for 17 years. It’s best to give the character a rest for now.

No, it's not common sense. Common sense would be knowing that there's no way in hell that Marvel won't ever use Wolverine; one of the most popular X-Men ever. And they sure as he'll won't and AREN'T afraid to replace Jackman. And that's just pure denial, dude. The Hollywood Reporter specializes in scoops and have multiple sources within the Studio itself or close to it. Why would they be wrong about Marvel wanting to reboot Wolverine when it makes so much sense?

Never said that they wouldn’t. Just not anytime soon after Huge’s swan song.

 

[Hand Banana]

It'll be Kinberg begging for scraps not Feige. All contril will be relinquished to him

He already works for Disney.

 

[Marvel united]

8Probably but not because of being afraid to live up to Hugh Jackman. Wolvie will definitely be in X-Men and may even appear in another film soon. Marvel is excited to bring him into the MCU

 

[brandeezy89]

You guys don't understand how mergers work. Disney can't force Fox to stop making Marvel movies, they have to pretend like the merger isn't happening until the deal is officially done. Fox is going to try to get a lot of movies done before the merger happens. So Fox if they wanted could start filming Gambit, Multiple Men, X-Force, X-Men Sequel & New Mutants Sequel before the merger happens. Especially since the deal won't be done until late this year/early next year.

 

[Shikamaru]

Don't see them recasting Wolverine this soon. MCU or not, Jackman's portrayal is as entrenched in pop culture as Downey's. Marvel isn't gonna make that go away just by putting a new Wolverine next to Captain America.

It would also depend on how long after Logan the X-Men debut in the MCU. But anytime Jackman's still fresh on our minds? Absolutely not. And if it does happen, I suspect the decision will come more from Disney than Feige.

 

[psylockolussus]

Kevin Feige says other wise. He said their schedule is too full at the moment to be making those movies. The X-Men need world building before actually using them and it’s unlikely that a F4 movie would be made anytime soon after the 2015 film. Marvel Studios can only make so many movies per year and has a lot of characters. They're in no hurry.

No one said they are in hurry, but they aren't gonna sit on those characters and Kevin Feige already said a long time ago that they have contingency plans if certain film rights go to them.

 

[psylockolussus]

You guys don't understand how mergers work. Disney can't force Fox to stop making Marvel movies, they have to pretend like the merger isn't happening until the deal is officially done. Fox is going to try to get a lot of movies done before the merger happens. So Fox if they wanted could start filming Gambit, Multiple Men, X-Force, X-Men Sequel & New Mutants Sequel before the merger happens. Especially since the deal won't be done until late this year/early next year.

Essentially making the best (or worst) out of it before the new owner chimes in. Let's get all the spin offs out there in more or less 18 months before Marvel Studios take charge and we lose our jobs... Good God, those people in charge of the last few Foxverse films won't be happy. Another example of the current Fox movies régime not thinking long term.