Discussion in 'X-Men: Days of Future Past' started by Angamb, Nov 27, 2012.
Ah, I see. I thought it was a dirty joke. I need to get my mind out of the gutter.
Ah The trepidation is understandable then.
You get a Stan Lee No-Prize! t:
I'm simply honoured.
I understand what you're saying, I just didn't agree with the X3 developments that you mentioned. Even if you consider that bad film-making, Singer is not to blame since he didn't make X3 (or Origins). And it's true, the Avengers kept it concise and for the characters that were the focus, they were all done justice. That's why I love Joss Whedon! It's just a different beast.
The loss of Banshee and Havok could be interpreted as Singer trying to trim the cast. I don't think it was solely his decision to bring the two casts together. Fox must have been a little disappointed that the "preboot" didn't catch on with everyone so they probably asked for Wolverine (and maybe others) to be included in the next outing. And I imagine that's how DOFP got brought into the equation. So now they're left to trim the fat, so to speak.
I just think you shouldn't be too hasty to just say things will happen without adequate explanation... again, adequate is up to opinion. You said it yourself that the 11 years could be the explanation they end up using. I would be fine with that as long as they tie it in to what Xavier had (or had not) been doing in those years with respect to the school.
And yes, there are frustrations... ranging from understandable to obsessive. I would interpret most as obsessive (when compared to a "normal" moviegoer, of course), but again that's my opinion so I do think my points are valid.
It's not bad filmmaking as such but it's not a seamless transition between X1/X2 and X3, partly because of the change in directors.
I would guess that the somewhat disappointing/underperforming of First Class would indeed be a reason for DoFP to be taking shape the way it is. And that modest box office being low compared to the other X-Men movies would be one thing, but that modest box office against the performance of Avengers must have had Fox execs changing their underwear.
It has to be worth them considering what Xavier had been doing for 11 years.
He must have been doing something.
Firstly, he would need to have modifications done for his disability, such as elevators. He wouldn't really be able to find any students without Cerebro to track mutant runaways/orphans etc, and he wouldn't be able to run a proper school without having more teaching staff. At what point did he/will he build a new Cerebro, have the lower levels modified the way we saw them in the original trilogy, and get a new X-jet? At what point does he decide an X-Men taskforce/team is necessary?
I couldn't agree with you more. It doesn't add up...it doesn't make sense. However, I think that eliminating Banshee and Havok (with or without explanation--I really don't think movie audiences got attached to either character to really care one way or the other) is the lesser of two creative evils. And yet so many fans here want to cleave to this existing franchise and continue to make work what is clearly no longer "workable" as you put it. You already know what I believe is the solution to this problem. But we won't go there again today.
Yes, I remember. It's interesting how Storm fans often believe that the character is not cared about by this studio/director/franchise, etc., and yet, as you've pointed out, she's actually gotten more development than the vast majority of X-Men characters in this series--and has survived from one film to the next.
It was only a few short weeks ago that many of us were stricken with panic that Storm might not appear in Days Of Future Past.
Well, you already know how I feel about this. But it IS what we have to work with, unfortunately.
How can you guys be upset over not having Banshee, Havok, Emma, Riptide, Angel etc. in this movie? The teenage 'xmen' and hellfire club were the worst parts of First Class. McAvoy and Fassbender saved that movie.
DOFP is becoming more and more X4, and I'm loving it.
I won't speak for the others, but what I'm puzzled about (I wouldn't say I'm upset) is that if Havok and Banshee are not returning, then who are the X-Men in 1973? If Havok and Banshee were removed to make room for new characters, then it seems foolish to me that they'd go with introducing new characters rather than continue with these two. They may not have done or said much, but they were still part of FC and the audience must have some modicum of familiarity with them, much more than any new characters that would replace them.
Having said that, if a significant number of the future cast or younger versions of familiar characters join Beast, then, to me at least, Havok and Banshee's absence would be justified.
A) Havok and Banshee out, new characters in
B) Havok and Banshee out, future cast in
C) Havok and Banshee out, Scott, Jean, and Storm in
I think this whole thing with the characters from XMFC is not that big a deal.
I personally feel that the main X-Men from from X3, including Rogue, is needed. They were the last remnants of the X-Men in that film, so it'd make sense they'd appear again.
As far as the Brotherhood go, for the future/present, I'm fine with just Magneto appearing.
Past, Just Magneto and Mystique appearing is fine as well. It's already been established in this series that they basically operate by the mindset that everyone else in there group is expendable. And they were the main focus of the Brotherhood anyway, especially in X2.
Overall, for both sides, its better just not to introduce new characters who have joined the X-Men or the Brotherhood since we last saw them. It benefits the story more to just have characters that we already know, so we can just jump into the main conflict of the film.
As far as the X-Men in the past go, eh, its tricky. Maybe they should have brought Havok and Banshee back, but we'll see. it all depends on the story. I don't think they will be necessary.
I started believing that Scott, Storm and Jean were going to be part of the 1970s team the instant that Halle Berry was cast for this film. Because bascially now all of the older, future X-Men (Xavier, Logan, Storm, Magneto) could have past counterparts, which would really up the ante to save their own future. This could be further solidified if Rebecca is cast opposite Jennifer Lawrence.
And since I'm pretty sure that Scott and Jean's deaths are on the list of things Bryan Singer regrets, if he also cast them in the past that could also open up doors to "fix s***" in the future.
But then again, tomorrow is April 1st and yet no new casting news...
....I'm not surprised about Banshee and most likely Havok not popping up.
When it comes to the X-Films, Fox only cares about Wolverine, Professor X, and Magneto. Mystique has been lucky: not only has her cinematic incarnation been a fan pleasing character, now she's being portrayed by an oscar winning actress, which is the same reason why Storm gets some scraps. Everyone else is either a walking special effect or a plot device used when the filmmakers wanna convey a specific idea, and they don't mind changing the character to suit their whims.
Also, I dont think Scott, Jean, and Ororo will pop up in the early 70's. Singer's OT is supposed to take place in the later part of the 2000's, and Xavier dosent find Scott and Jean until they late 70's/80's. Then again, there have been so many contradictions anyway.
Indeed, since Xavier is still walking with a bald head when he meets a young Jean Grey in X-men TLS, but is paralyzed at the end of First Class with hair. I say keep young Jean, Cyclops, and Storm out to avoid more of these contradictions that will make watching all these films in order even more confusing.
As much as I enjoy Banshee and Havok, I'm not too bothered by their absences (unless, as Duran Man said, they introduce us to a slew of new mutants). The X-Men films have carried over every. single. X-Man from X-Men to X-Men: The Last Stand, dropping only Nightcrawler, and what happened? There wasn't enough time to properly develop them all. The film suffered, and fans complained. Now, they're seemingly trimming down less important characters to focus on the ones who do matter, and fans are complaining. It's a lose-lose situation, and I think it always will be.
Also, keep 1970s versions of Cyclops, Storm, and Jean out. This film is already balancing younger versions of Professor X, Magneto, Beast, and Mystique, as well as future versions of Professor X, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Iceman, and Colossus, with newcomers, Boo Boo Stewart, Fan BingBing, Omar Sy, as well as villains Peter Dinklage, the sentinels, and possibly Apocalypse. That is more than enough.
the young woman hired to play Blink, what all else has she been in?
It would be nice to believe that this is what they're aiming for.
What I think is likely to happen though is that they'll just bring in brand new secondary characters who will never be seen again outside of DoFP and who'll get little chance for any real development with everything else going on.
Yeah, I can't imagine there is going to be no 1970's X-Men theme after 10+ years of the school being open, which there can't be if Beast is the only X-Man still around. I have a feeling this is just going to lead to a bunch of background mutants, and if that's the case I'd rather they bring back characters that have already been established in a film instead of introducing guys just for their power set. I have no desire for any more X3 Psylockes or Multiple Mans.
I wonder who, if any, real-life figures will be referenced in the film at all?
How are they "trimming down less important characters" when a character like Colossus is coming back? That guy had like 3 lines of dialogue over the course of the trilogy. He doesn't matter at all. At least a character like Banshee spoke. Why are Rogue and Kitty BOTH coming back? Neither of them are THAT important. Rogue especially since her "importance" dropped with each subsequent film.
I think it's just a matter of fans wanting to see the characters living up to their potential. Very few characters have. Storm, Cyclops, Gambit, Rogue, Banshee, Emma, Havok, Colossus and Deadpool never really came close to having the proper development or adaption they deserve compared to their comic counterparts. Being 5 movies into a franchise there is no doubt they could have made many better decisions on how to take these characters in future films.
Not to say it won't be in DOFP's best intentions to ditch them, but letting go of some of the FC team is a bummer because that's more then likely all that will ever become of those characters. If they don't come back here it's probably safe to say thats it for them.
I'm not too worried since I don't think Fan Bingbing, Omar Sy, and Booboo Stewart have super significant roles. In X2, there were peripheral speaking characters like the prison guard, the President, and Stryker's assault team leader. Characters like Nightcrawler, Pyro, and Deathstrike were supporting but had a few moments to shine. Some supporting characters even got too much focus (cough... Bobby... cough). So it was also a huge cast, but overall pretty balanced.
In DOFP, I figure the OT team really won't be developed much further but hopefully each will have at least a few scenes/character moments so we can get a sense of how they've grown from last we saw them. And of course the Sentinels!
The time traveler (or travelers) will probably have a significant role. That leaves the focus on McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence, and Hoult in the 70s. Dinklage will be the main villain. And maybe a few surprise characters.
On a side note, I JUST remembered Angel Salvatore and how nobody has mentioned her character not returning hahahahaha!
hey, just reading wolverine and the xmen.
thought about the new movie - which I have just been reading about.....
Is the future past that is trying to be stopped the one from xmen, the last stand?
that would be a cool twist.
what think you.
Am new to the boards and posting so sorry if this has been a previos topic.
ps, thats a good cast.
James Marsden's returns!!
Please,now Famke Janssen!!
It's April 1st and has not been picked up by any other media.
Draw your own conclusions.
Agree. This is not the film for them. Save them for FC3 where they can get the time/material they deserve. DOFP does not need the bloat.
It's April 1st bro
Stewart as Avalanche ?? lol
Among old x-man, Cyclops, Jean, Angel and old Beast aren't confirmed yet.
Nightcrawler doesnt return