Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 1

[JP]

Should have said that a while ago when some believed he had stepped away from the franchise.

When people believe things based on zero evidence, why comment?

I imagine he was never gone to have to slither back in.

Correct.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If fox really viewed apocalypse as disappointment he could have left.it's clear now they didn't.you have another X-men film,2 tv shows,and various spin-offs in the works.hardly
the result of studio that feels x-men is disappointment.fo far what was the plans when apocalypse was coming out is still the plan.

 

[psylockolussus]

If fox really viewed apocalypse as disappointment he could have left.it's clear now they didn't.you have another X-men film,2 tv shows,and various spin-offs in the works.hardly
the result of studio that feels x-men is disappointment.fo far what was the plans when apocalypse was coming out is still the plan.

And yet you were so sure that Bryan Singer was done just a few months or weeks ago?

Geez. Zack Snyder is still directing Justice League and don't you think WB just brushed off the critical acclaim of Mos and BvS? I am not saying Singer and Snyder are similar but studios sometimes let their director and writers to stay in the franchise after a stinker unless it's a total bomb. Like why is Kinberg is still around after Fant4stic and now Apocalypse?

Studio executives aren't genius and perfect and Fox clearly doesn't have a clean track record when it comes to their comic book films.

 

[X-Maniac]

I imagine he was never gone to have to slither back.

Leo's right in many ways. Singer has been lying low and waiting for the dust to settle after XM:A ended up with a 48% score on RT (lower than X3), and not even earning its budget back domestically. He's resurfacing alongside positively viewed projects.

 

[X-Maniac]

If fox really viewed apocalypse as disappointment he could have left.it's clear now they didn't.you have another X-men film,2 tv shows,and various spin-offs in the works.hardly
the result of studio that feels x-men is disappointment.fo far what was the plans when apocalypse was coming out is still the plan.

It definitely under-performed for a Memorial Day weekend blockbuster that was a follow-up to DoFP - and that's what the studio thought as well.

But they may have been prepared for it because the buzz was never that good, especially after the Ivan Ooze photo disaster.

It would be interesting to hear where the studio points the finger of blame.

I never hear any excitement or enthusiasm for the X-Men movies in the real world at all. But I remember office colleagues going on about GoTG, Civil War, Suicide Squad, and also Deadpool. There were women at work who were excited about going to see GoTG and Suicide Squad.

X-Men is not pop-culture. Sad but true.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men is pop culture especially it led to CBM boom in the early 2000s. From where I live, it's still popular. But Apocalypse definitely killed the momentum.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Leo's right in many ways. Singer has been lying low and waiting for the dust to settle after XM:A ended up with a 48% score on RT (lower than X3), and not even earning its budget back domestically. He's resurfacing alongside positively viewed projects.

He's resuffering with a tv show he is executive producer on.Noah hawley himself said he and donner were ones pushing for expansion of X-Men universe
to tv and said he and kinberg were ones he had talked with while devolping
legion.

many films need WW grosses to make their money back.Only first X-men and if you want to include it deadpool did that.

 

[psylockolussus]

He's resuffering with a tv show he is executive producer on.Noah hawley himself said he and donner were ones pushing for expansion of X-Men universe
to tv and said he and kinberg were ones he had talked with while devolping
legion.

many films need WW grosses to make their money back.Only first X-men and if you want to include it deadpool did that.

X2, X3, Dofp, Origins and Tw also reached their budget. Or did you mean doubled their budget?

The films that only featured the Fc cast were the ones that didn't reach the film's budget in North American box office gross.

Fc- 160 vs 146
A- 178 vs 155

Films with the more marketable cast
X1- 75 m budget = 156 million in American box office
X2- 120 = 214
X3- 200 = 234
X4- 200 = 233

 

[marvelrobbins]

It definitely under-performed for a Memorial Day weekend blockbuster that was a follow-up to DoFP - and that's what the studio thought as well.

But they may have been prepared for it because the buzz was never that good, especially after the Ivan Ooze photo disaster.

It would be interesting to hear where the studio points the finger of blame.

I never hear any excitement or enthusiasm for the X-Men movies in the real world at all. But I remember office colleagues going on about GoTG, Civil War, Suicide Squad, and also Deadpool. There were women at work who were excited about going to see GoTG and Suicide Squad.

X-Men is not pop-culture. Sad but true.

APocalypse was never going to do business DOFP did.

those ivan Ooze comments just prove from begining people had it in for apocalypse.

DC films did any worse than critics.most of those films you are listing are sold as comedys.even civil war has way more comedy than you will ever see
in X-Men films.

with the reboot crazy mindset of hollywood if fox really viewed apocalypse as failure like the doom and gloom posters they would just reboot.

now if you want X-men films like piece of crap like Surcide squad we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[marvelrobbins]

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[psylockolussus]

films often aren't viewed as success inless they doule their budget.

Not just by United States numbers. Don't tell me Civil War underperformed because it didn't double it's 250 million budget in United States? That it should have earned at least 500 million in U.S. alone?

 

[X-Maniac]

APocalypse was never going to do business DOFP did.

those ivan Ooze comments just prove from begining people had it in for apocalypse.

I don't think they 'had it in' for Apocalypse. They didn't like the character design and make-up. I think some of that criticism is justified.

A friend of mine said XM:A was the only X-Men film where the make-up and FX looked substandard.

DC films did any worse than critics.most of those films you are listing are sold as comedys.even civil war has way more comedy than you will ever see
in X-Men films.

with the reboot crazy mindset of hollywood if fox really viewed apocalypse as failure like the doom and gloom posters they would just reboot.

They're 'reconfiguring' instead, which means they know something is wrong.

Also they are focusing on other stuff, it's only recently we have heard mention of this Supernova thing to indicate that they will be doing anything more with the First Class cast.

And i never heard anyone describing Suicide Squad, GoTG or Civil War as comedies, nor did I heard them going on about how funny they were after they'd seen them.

now if you want X-men films like piece of crap like Surcide squad we will have to agree to disagree.

The X-Men films need to be more dynamic, with better make-up/FX/wirework, and better characterisation. X-Men chooses to focus on only two or three characters, the others are wallpaper. People can't care about characters they do not know.

 

[psylockolussus]

Psylocke was a total waste. She was fierce though in that bikini,boots and sash!

 

[2kt09]

The films that only featured the Fc cast were the ones that didn't reach the film's budget in North American box office gross.

Fc- 160 vs 146
A- 178 vs 155

Films with the more marketable cast
X1- 75 m budget = 156 million in American box office
X2- 120 = 214
X3- 200 = 234
X4- 200 = 233

My benchmark is usually if it tripled its budget to avoid drastic course correction.
X3 <- welp, guess we gotta reset the time since it's a dystopia now
Origins <- TW and Deadpool...it's all a blur, really (maybe reference one lil thing in DOFP)
FC <- DOFP (RIP FC/Hellfire), Apoc (say hello to Xavier's official FC)

Dratz, Apoc didn't make the cut.

 

[marvelrobbins]

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[Stan Lee]

Leo's right in many ways. Singer has been lying low and waiting for the dust to settle after XM:A ended up with a 48% score on RT (lower than X3), and not even earning its budget back domestically. He's resurfacing alongside positively viewed projects.

Actually, he really hasn't. He came out and said he wanted a Mystique solo after the film's reception.

 

[Weather Witch]

let's also be frank.GA domesticly doesn't like FC cast like they did original cast

This is something I have never understood to be honest. In my country it seems that almost everyone prefers the Beginnings Trilogy over the OT. Heck I've barely seen anyone speak out against Apocalypse either. Local newspapers generally gave it about a 7/10 or 3/5, 3.5/5. Though I think a big part of that is the credit the franchise had already build up. For me personally I enjoy both trilogies quite a bit, but I do keep being surprised by some of the responses in the US.

Edit: I just checked and the lowest I could find was a 2.5/5 review. And even that reviews underlines that audiences are attached to the First Class cast and that their scenes were still fairly effective because of that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Leo's right in many ways. Singer has been lying low and waiting for the dust to settle

How has he exactly?

Thats the same assumption as people saying FOX are so disapointed with X-Men apocalypse that they are now questioning if they want to continue, and then of course the X-Men: Supernova title appears out of no where with reports saying its set for 2018 which is only 2 years away.

Singer did his job, he talked about the dvd in interviews and now probably helping with X-Men behind the scenes while also looking at his next project, there is no sign of waiting for dust to settle, this is just how it works.

 

[Legion]

It definitely under-performed for a Memorial Day weekend blockbuster that was a follow-up to DoFP - and that's what the studio thought as well.

But they may have been prepared for it because the buzz was never that good, especially after the Ivan Ooze photo disaster.

It would be interesting to hear where the studio points the finger of blame.

I never hear any excitement or enthusiasm for the X-Men movies in the real world at all. But I remember office colleagues going on about GoTG, Civil War, Suicide Squad, and also Deadpool. There were women at work who were excited about going to see GoTG and Suicide Squad.

X-Men is not pop-culture. Sad but true.

I agree with this. Around the office I can hear people mentioning how they went to go see or wanted to see Deadpool, Civil War, BvS, and Suicide Squad but not a single mention of X-Men Apocalypse.

None of my contacts on Facebook were posting about it either but there were plenty of check-ins for the other films mentioned.

X-Men does seem to be missing that "it" factor. There is no baby Groot or Harley Quinn that people are gushing over in trailers or are planning to dress up as for Halloween.

I've even seen people mistakenly associate Deadpool with Marvel studios. It's like if it's good then it must be from Marvel.

Here is an example in this Esquire article:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/news/a52396/new-logan-wolverine-trailer/

It seems that some big Hollywood studios are realizing the superhero genre has reached saturation and these movies need to reinvent themselves. Marvel did it with the trashy, self-aware, and brilliant Deadpool, as well as the campy, '80s-tinged space opera Guardians of the Galaxy

Now, it looks like 20th Century Fox has figured it out, too. The next Wolverine movie takes an entirely different approach to the X-Men character, as we saw in the first trailer for the franchise's latest installment, Logan

 

[Stan Lee]

A friend of mine said XM:A was the only X-Men film where the make-up and FX looked substandard.

I guess he forgot about Origins.

 

[psylockolussus]

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let's also be frank.GA domesticly doesn't like FC cast like they did original cast.there is fan base for X-men that could get FC to 146 million domesticly and Apocalypse 155 Million domesticly

You just can't replace the original stars with the people head lining the prequels.

Which is baffling on Fox's part that they are still stubborn keeping the X-Men in the past when the box office numbers are just lukewarm, disappointing and underwhelming. Look at Star Wars, back in the present or future while passing the torch to new characters who are in the present times. X-Men should be doing that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Unlike Jackman both fassbender and lawrence bring nothing as far as appeal.

You can't talk for everyone in that respect.

Look at Star Wars, back in the present or future while passing the torch to new characters who are in the present times. X-Men should be doing that.

You mean like Rogue One, Han Solo and every other film they are making?

but I do keep being surprised by some of the responses in the US.

This franchise has changed, its been going on for 16 years, the sub-basement is the same one we see 16 years ago, its very much the same franchise even now.

But Comic book movies have evolved around the franchise so no one is gonna see X-Men how they used too in the early 2000's, infact i kinda feel like hugh jackman also isn't as appreciated in the role as he used to be in the early 2000s.

Psylocke was a total waste. She was fierce though in that bikini,boots and sash!

Bikini,Boots and Sash certainly screams fierce

 

[marvelrobbins]

This is something I have never understood to be honest. In my country it seems that almost everyone prefers the Beginnings Trilogy over the OT. Heck I've barely seen anyone speak out against Apocalypse either. Local newspapers generally gave it about a 7/10 or 3/5, 3.5/5. Though I think a big part of that is the credit the franchise had already build up. For me personally I enjoy both trilogies quite a bit, but I do keep being surprised by some of the responses in the US.

Edit: I just checked and the lowest I could find was a 2.5/5 review. And even that reviews underlines that audiences are attached to the First Class cast and that their scenes were still fairly effective because of that.

Domesticly it's true.now it may be different for some foregin terrority.

 

[psylockolussus]

In different territories, MCU, Deadpool and DC probably stole X-Men's thunder. Outside North America, it is the lowest grossing DC or marvel film of 2016. First Class cast and the new cast from Apocalypse aren't just that appealing compare to the original cast.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I agree with this. Around the office I can hear people mentioning how they went to go see or wanted to see Deadpool, Civil War, BvS, and Suicide Squad but not a single mention of X-Men Apocalypse.

None of my contacts on Facebook were posting about it either but there were plenty of check-ins for the other films mentioned.

X-Men does seem to be missing that "it" factor. There is no baby Groot or Harley Quinn that people are gushing over in trailers or are planning to dress up as for Halloween.

I've even seen people mistakenly associate Deadpool with Marvel studios. It's like if it's good then it must be from Marvel.

Here is an example in this Esquire article:

http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/news/a52396/new-logan-wolverine-trailer/

baby grott or harley quin is what people want?really.

fact there is nothing in deadpool that connects it to avengers but there is connection to X-Men should be the big tipoff it's not a marvel studios production.