Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 2

[psyonic]

Kinberg potentially directing aside, does anyone else think it's too ealy to revisit the Dark Phoenix Saga, especially if it's limited to one film?

I'm not interested to see teenage, young X-Men in a 90s setting tackling on Dark Phoenix. Maybe a Phoenix story in the past, then Dark Phoenix re-emerging in the future. You know, give it time to develop and not rush things? What do you think about that Kinberg??

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Wowee.

2 million was from Deadpool to start with. the other 38 came from box office kickback after it released

 

[anthony1111]

I think Kinberg could do well when he writes for Jean, Scott and Kurt they were probably the best written characters in X-Men Apocalypse (in my opinion) so a film focusing on Jean and Scott will probably be playing more to Kinberg's strength. Especially as he has openly stated he wanted to tell the Pheonix story differently than what they'd done in Last Stand.

If the title alone is Supernova we are getting space involvement coupled with the fact that a Jean as Dark Pheonix is a main focus I think I'm cautiously optimistic. Days of Future Past is still one of the best X-Men films and I think a lot of that popularity was undone by Apocalypse so I'm not going to judge him just yet.

 

[psyonic]

2 million was from Deadpool to start with. the other 38 came from box office kickback after it released

He should be kicked in the teeth for X3.

 

[NotNickFury]

I think Kinberg could do well when he writes for Jean, Scott and Kurt they were probably the best written characters in X-Men Apocalypse (in my opinion) so a film focusing on Jean and Scott will probably be playing more to Kinberg's strength. Especially as he has openly stated he wanted to tell the Pheonix story differently than what they'd done in Last Stand.

If the title alone is Supernova we are getting space involvement coupled with the fact that a Jean as Dark Pheonix is a main focus I think I'm cautiously optimistic. Days of Future Past is still one of the best X-Men films and I think a lot of that popularity was undone by Apocalypse so I'm not going to judge him just yet.

He didn't write Days of Future Past alone, though. But writing and directing reshoots for Fantastic Four should automatically have given Fox pause.

 

[marvelrobbins]

He didn't write Days of Future Past alone, though. But writing and directing reshoots for Fantastic Four should automatically have given Fox pause.

all the drafts for DOFP were written by him though.Vaughn aonly consulted with him as he was devolping the story and goldman only consulted with him when he was writing script when vaughn was going to direct.from rogue cut commantary Singer did kind of tell him what to write but it still was him.

while it's questable giving him director's chair for supernova singer and him
deserve credit for DOFP.

 

[Sithborg]

FF was a mess. Period.

Still not a huge fan of giving an X film to a first time director. Though that seemed to work with Deadpool.

 

[The Infernal]

Giving Kinberg the director's chair is hardly confidence inspiring. Makes you wonder how much they value the main movies at this point.

 

[psyonic]

The title Supernova itself, just screams mindless CGI and explosions. I have no confidence in this project.

Apocalypse was near its production when Deadpool came out and now with Logan receiving high praise, Kinberg should take note that high budget does not mean a good movie. Stop with the insane amounts of CGI and give us a story we can relate to. X-Men and X2 were good because we cared about the humanity of the team. X3 was empty and so was Apocalypse. Just go back to basics please.

 

[anthony1111]

He didn't write Days of Future Past alone, though. But writing and directing reshoots for Fantastic Four should automatically have given Fox pause.

I think he has had more time to develop his X-Films though FF4 seemed like a horror film from the start.

He certainly developed the story with Matthew Vaughn and Jane Goldman during First Class but I think that involvement was largely his own. I know Singer did specifically want to bring on the X2 team and that film was great probably the best in the series but the writers dropped a ball on a lot of their other films.

Now I'm not excusing or blindly following Kinberg but I am not going to judge the film because an haven't seen it. Ideally he could perhaps develop or do-write Jane Goldman because she seems to have a real grasp on what she does.

From old interviews Kinberg really does seem to like working with Vaughn particularly in developing X3 maybe he will consult with him on this too.

 

[marvelrobbins]

FF was a mess. Period.

Still not a huge fan of giving an X film to a first time director. Though that seemed to work with Deadpool.

Kinberg deserves blame for FF though more should go to trank.trying to save a film with reshoots never works.Kinberg was trying to save FF by coming up with new third act.it was too late for that.

Kinberg is not any fan's choice to direct supernova.this is huge gamble by fox.

 

[anthony1111]

Kinberg deserves blame for FF though more should go to trank.trying to save a film with reshoots never works.Kinberg was trying to save FF by coming up with new third act.it was too late for that.

Kinberg is not any fan's choice to direct supernova.this is huge gamble by fox.

Fox dealing in gambles does for the most part work for them so far. Deadpool and Logan are both huge critical darlings and for the most part DOFP was probably the most ambitious main series film by combining both casts. I guess we will see how this turns out.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Fox dealing in gambles does for the most part work for them so far. Deadpool and Logan are both huge critical darlings and for the most part DOFP was probably the most ambitious main series film by combining both casts. I guess we will see how this turns out.

I agree with that.fox does gamble and it often pays off for them.

This news isn't going to well liked by fans.this film will have to win people over.Since fox skipped comic con last year we may see nothing on supernova
till teaser is released.

We know from report supernova is based on dark phoenix so Kinberg better bring his a game to this.

 

[psyonic]

I'd be fine with he did like The Mutant Massacre maybe but Phoenix? The original involved space and M'Krann crystal, how is he going to do this when his first try was X3 that took back seat to the cure plot line was basically, what 2 years old at the time? Another great storyline ruined by X3, by the way.

 

[Web-Head]

Update from THR

Simon Kinberg, the writer-producer behind Fox’s hallowed X-Men franchise, is the top contender to direct the studio’s next X-Men project.

There is no official offer, but sources say that it is an idea that both sides have been dancing around for months.

Kinberg has been involved with the X-Men series in writer and/or producer capacity since 2006’s X-Men: The Last Stand, becoming now one of the most important players in the X-Men cinematic universe, having his hands in the main X-Men line, nascent spin-off franchise Deadpool, the new (and last for Hugh Jackman) Wolverine movie, Logan, and even TV projects such as Legion.

Kinberg wrote the script for the new X-Men movie, which is to follow-up 2016’s fan-drubbed but money-making X-Men: Apocalypse. Rumblings of him taking over began surfacing last year but the script was still being worked on. Collider put those rumblings into the open Tuesday.

A new X-Men movie poses an interesting challenge for the studio: actors Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy and Nicholas Hoult wrapped up their three-pic deals with last year’s entry, so new deals will be necessary if anyone is plotting a return.

And returns are indeed being plotted out, at least for some, according to sources.

On paper, Kinberg has never directed a movie and some wonder whether a studio will let a person make a debut on a large-scale, $150 million-plus movie. But there’s a flip side to this: Kinberg is not only a veteran producer who knows his way around a set, but has director experience having stepped in to, um, “manage” productions. Josh Trank’s Fantastic Four is one example. Apocalypse is another.

His more direct involvement may also prove to be key for actors looking for a through line from X-Men: First Class to the present.

Fox had no comment.

Kinberg already has a full plate as a producer, being in casting mode for Deadpool 2 and in prep on X-Men spin-off The New Mutants, the latter eyeing an early June start

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...inberg-top-contender-direct-next-movie-978306

 

[NotNickFury]

Fox dealing in gambles does for the most part work for them so far. Deadpool and Logan are both huge critical darlings and for the most part DOFP was probably the most ambitious main series film by combining both casts. I guess we will see how this turns out.

Valid, and it's conceivable that Kinberg could blow us away, but the difference is that Deadpool had great writers in Wernick and Reese, while Mangold really seems to get Wolverine between The Wolverine and now Logan.

I think a lot of our hesitation comes from the fact that Kinberg has more bad baggage than good between X3, Apocalypse- even though I liked it- and especially Fantastic 4. Kinberg's strength seems to come from his work as a producer, less as a writer and director, even outside of comic book work- although I do hear his work on Star Wars Rebels is quite good.

If Kinberg had a better track record, both in and out of X-Men, I wager folks would be more optimistic. Yes, we can give him some credit for Days of Future Past, but even then, he didn't write it alone and didn't direct that. Here, as far as we know, this is all him.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Now the Collider not being credible excuse is over.....

 

[sleekstereo]

Simon's original draft for X-3 was more faithful to the comics, so in the end, this may be a good thing.

 

[psyonic]

Simon's original draft for X-3 was more faithful to the comics, so in the end, this may be a good thing.

Where can I find this said draft good sir?

 

[CaptainCanada]

The title Supernova itself, just screams mindless CGI and explosions. I have no confidence in this project.

Apocalypse was near its production when Deadpool came out and now with Logan receiving high praise, Kinberg should take note that high budget does not mean a good movie. Stop with the insane amounts of CGI and give us a story we can relate to. X-Men and X2 were good because we cared about the humanity of the team. X3 was empty and so was Apocalypse. Just go back to basics please.

The Phoenix Saga should be a big effects showcase. That doesn't mean it can't also be character-based.

 

[NotNickFury]

Simon's original draft for X-3 was more faithful to the comics, so in the end, this may be a good thing.

So...was X-3 Brett Ratner's fault, then?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

This is exactly what I thought was going happen. FoX was waiting for Apocalypse stink to cool and then drop the Director news off the success of Legion & Logan. My nightmare was Singer was coming back. Kinberg is going to try to make the greatest film ever. Its his first film. Wasn't Usual Suspects singers first film?


But the fact that positive buzz is turning around is amazing!

Spoiler

Do you hear that? That’s the sound of the X-Men movie series getting its second wind. While X-Men: Apocalypse was a critical and financial disappointment, Deadpool proved that there was still plenty of life in the mutant superhero world. Logan looks like it will prove this further when it opens in a few weeks (the early reviews have been mostly raves). And that’s before we even talk about FX’s Legion series, which has been very intriguing so far. Audiences have made themselves clear: they love the X-Men, especially when they’re delivering something off the beaten path…which means it’s time for the core series to get with the program and try something different.

It could be argued that Kinberg has paid his dues. He’s been Fox’s go-to superhero guy for over a decade now, having written X-Men: The Last Stand, X-Men: Days of Future Past, and X-Men: Apocalypse. He’s also worked as a producer on X-Men: First Class, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Deadpool, X-Men: Apocalypse, Logan, and Legion. We could argue about the quality of some of those movies, but he’s been intimately involved with the franchise, knows all of the key players, and has more than enough sway to maneuver himself into position to finally call the shots behind the camera. It all makes sense. At the very least, it will give the series a breather from Bryan Singer, who seemed to completely run out of ideas with Apocalypse.

 

[Flint Marko]

And there goes whatever microscopic interest I might have had left in the X-men movies.

 

[psyonic]

The Phoenix Saga should be a big effects showcase. That doesn't mean it can't also be character-based.

Apocalypse was also a big effects showcase and.. that's all we got, nothing more to it and with Kinberg's track record, this is not a good thing.

X-Men, X2 and DoFP were all fantastic in terms of characterization, which is why I expected more from Apocalypse, I guess my standards were set high after DoFP. Great if Kinberg proves me wrong but honestly, doesn't look too good.

 

[anthony1111]

So...was X-3 Brett Ratner's fault, then?

I think Kinberg did say that he had developed a comic based Pheonix film with Zak Penn and Michael Vaughn but Ratner came on board and wanted to change it to a secondary story and add the cure plot line.

I know that they'd originally planned for the story to revolve around a closer plot line to the comic. Singer has spoke about this before.