Sequels X-Men Sequel - Part 5

[GuestStar2004]

Lawrence for publicly saying she's doesn't like wearing it

No one likes the make up, Ron Perlman hated the hellboy make up, alan cumming hated the nightcrawler make up.

I even think kodi smit-Mcphee is hoping they will do the evolution image inducer thing since he mentioned the idea in an interview around the time of apocalypse.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

No one likes the make up, alan cumming hated the nightcrawler make up.

Then she should step away like he did.


And if you think Image Inducer's are a Evo thing it explains a lot about your knowledge of X-MEN.

 

[YoungBlood]

No one likes the make up, Ron Perlman hated the hellboy make up, alan cumming hated the nightcrawler make up.

I even think kodi smit-Mcphee is hoping they will do the evolution image inducer thing since he mentioned the idea in an interview around the time of apocalypse.

Didn't Rebecca Romajin had issues with the make-up as well?

 

[YoungBlood]

Then she should step away like he did.


And if you think Image Inducer's are a Evo thing it explains a lot about your knowledge of X-MEN.

Yeah because its not like the movies uses different interpretations like the comics, cartoons, or even the games.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And if you think Image Inducer's are a Evo thing it explains a lot about your knowledge of X-MEN.

Well when Mcphee said it he wasn't talking about the comics

but I realized in some of the X-Men: Evolutions for instance, Beast made him a watch in which he could change back to himself. These are all things that are left there that could be added at any time.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Yeah because its not like the movies uses different interpretations like the comics, cartoons, or even the games.

Not this guy again... Please block me

 

[BeholdMe]

The "flip flopping" complaint is a tad overblown. Magneto has been out for mutant survival and supremacy since Day One. Mystique has, with his influence, been for mutant survival and freedom. Which flip flopping is so heinous, exactly?

I was actually agreeing with you mostly. I was just trying to help explain in detail what both sides were saying. Flip Flopping between being a villain and a hero in every movie when yes he has been on both sides in the comics over years time not every single movie does he have be bad then get reverted then get bad again and get reverted. You dont have to revert sides to have an agenda, he could stay an anti hero or villain with the mutant survival and freedom theory. I hope Im explaining it well enough. Its just a rehashed storyline and honestly I just want them two to slide into the background a bit more for the next film, still play a role but the focus being on the XMen team develop them we have had enough development with Mags and Raven.

 

[BeholdMe]

Well when Mcphee said it he wasn't talking about the comics

That quote doesn't say to me he dislikes the makeup process and already wants to be mostly in human form. To me it seems he is trying to express his knowledge of the character or some things that occurred with the character over time, the image inducer goes back awhile in the comics. I understand some actor not liking the process but your paid to play a character if its to much you should not except the gig, not saying he is because I haven't heard anything negative from him yet.

 

[Matt.S99]

That quote doesn't say to me he dislikes the makeup process and already wants to be mostly in human form. To me it seems he is trying to express his knowledge of the character or some things that occurred with the character over time, the image inducer goes back awhile in the comics. I understand some actor not liking the process but your paid to play a character if its to much you should not except the gig, not saying he is because I haven't heard anything negative from him yet.

I agree, especially when you're pretty aware of what the process is going to be because that same character has already been on film.

It was pretty common knowledge that Rebecca Romijn had to endure hours and hours of makeup application on her entirely naked body. That's why it really bugs me when I see that Lawrence made demands about the makeup. Like, you were aware of the process. Don't take the job if you know you don't want to do it.
Yeah, I'm sure it isn't fun to sit around for so long, but it's the nature of the beast. I think it's really crummy that because she doesn't like it, they just have her in human form more often. Also not a fan of them making a body suit for her in DOFP. It looked really odd to me. I also still think the FC makeup looks slightly better than DOFP because she had actual prosthetics and the makeup on her face didn't look so cheap and shiny. (FC still had pretty weird makeup, though. That wig was terrible)

 

[EnDz0n3]

No. And I never said I wanted the exact same process for Cyclops. He already had more development in APOCALYPSE than Beast did. He's a more important character in this iteration of the franchise, I don't think we need to be worried about that so much.

LOL with every post, you keep backtracking from Hoult's Beast. Just admit that Beast was a bad example. That was Frankeh's original point.

Which is all well and good, but that has next to nothing to do with the actual character and her motivations within the films. Whether you like that the actual reason it happened or not, the reason she is "human" in appearance still makes sense within the context of the film.

Mystique herself, as a character, is essentially about "blending in" and "stealth". Not only is it her key mutant ability, but she clearly learns the value of stealth as she continues her work in the world. But when the character appears human in this franchise, the character appears human for that reason; stealth.

All well and good, as you say, until she keeps turning into "Raven."

Not much "blending in" and "stealth" there. Stryker recognized her. Ditto Nightcrawler. Or is there an excu... *ahem* explanation for that one too?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

All well and good, as you say, until she keeps turning into "Raven."

I don't understand why FOX didn't make Red Sparrow into a Mystique solo. Perfect way to get Raven tf outta X-MEN

 

[henzINNIT]

I would have made that Mystique solo after DOFP. That was the perfect moment.

 

[BeholdMe]

I would have made that Mystique solo after DOFP. That was the perfect moment.

I agree that was the height of it and DOFP I actually liked the performance, the interest was there.

LOL with every post, you keep backtracking from Hoult's Beast. Just admit that Beast was a bad example. That was Frankeh's original point.



All well and good, as you say, until she keeps turning into "Raven."

Not much "blending in" and "stealth" there. Stryker recognized her. Ditto Nightcrawler. Or is there an excu... *ahem* explanation for that one too?

I agree if she was being stealthy she would morph into many different forms not the default JLaw form which is just as noticed as her Mystique form because its the one she always uses. I think if she comes back they should just experiment with it more, that's why recasting wouldn't have been off the wall because she can literally be anyone

I agree, especially when you're pretty aware of what the process is going to be because that same character has already been on film.

It was pretty common knowledge that Rebecca Romijn had to endure hours and hours of makeup application on her entirely naked body. That's why it really bugs me when I see that Lawrence made demands about the makeup. Like, you were aware of the process. Don't take the job if you know you don't want to do it.
Yeah, I'm sure it isn't fun to sit around for so long, but it's the nature of the beast. I think it's really crummy that because she doesn't like it, they just have her in human form more often. Also not a fan of them making a body suit for her in DOFP. It looked really odd to me. I also still think the FC makeup looks slightly better than DOFP because she had actual prosthetics and the makeup on her face didn't look so cheap and shiny. (FC still had pretty weird makeup, though. That wig was terrible)

i agree with all of this, just don't accept the role if you have a problem with paint, I didn't mind the bodysuit because it gave the appearance of the blue paint but it was shiny and stood out. They are literally paid millions so sorry I don't have sympathy for them, if your allergic to paint then decline the role the next time its offered.

 

[The Guard]

I don't understand why FOX didn't make Red Sparrow into a Mystique solo. Perfect way to get Raven tf outta X-MEN

And if that was a hit with audiences, then she would become even more important to the central X-Men movies.

 

[The Guard]

Flip Flopping between being a villain and a hero in every movie when yes he has been on both sides in the comics over years time not every single movie
does he have be bad then get reverted then get bad again and get reverted.

I think you're laying it on a little thick about what actually happens with Magneto as a character in these films, at least in terms of how much he actually goes "back and forth" after originally allying with Charles and then pursuing his own agenda.

Magneto, as a character, is out for his own ends. Even with the X-Men in FIRST CLASS, his true desire is to get close to Stryker. He is essentially faking an alliance with Charles in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST for his own ends, much like in X2. The second he can further his agenda, he does, and it is not the actions of a hero.

He's never portrayed as an actual "hero"in any real sense other than FIRST CLASS. An antihero at best.

Magneto starts APOCALYPSE in hiding because of the awful things he has done. He then joins up with a mutant who wants to make mutants the superior race, ostensibly by eliminating humans. And he does not suddenly revert to being a "hero" at the end of the movie just because he decides not to let Apocalypse kill his former friends and help stop APOCALYPSE. Nor is that out of character, or outside what has been set up about the character.

Him walking away from Xavier at the end of the movie instead of sticking around with the X-Men speaks to the fact that he doesn't consider himself part of Xavier's dream.

You dont have to revert sides to have an agenda, he could stay an anti hero or villain with the mutant survival and freedom theory.

That's pretty much what has happened already. He's not exactly ever gone over to the side of the angels.

 

[The Guard]

LOL with every post, you keep backtracking from Hoult's Beast. Just admit that Beast was a bad example. That was Frankeh's original point.

Hmmm. No. No, I don't think I will.

All well and good, as you say, until she keeps turning into "Raven."

Mystique using "Raven" as a disguise sometimes was set up in previous X-Men films, specifically X2. I don't see the issue here.

She clearly also takes other shapes.

Not much "blending in" and "stealth" there. Stryker recognized her. Ditto Nightcrawler. Or is there an excu... *ahem* explanation for that one too?

So some forms are less stealthy than others, which are deeper cover. Your point?

Nightcrawler recognizes her in part because of her actions in rescuing him from captivity. She's basically a legend for her freedom fighting per the film.

She clearly draws less attention in her "Raven" guise than in her "Mystique" one.

An explanation for what now? Are you talking about him recognizing her when she's unconscious and CAN'T take a different shape?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Of course Raven draws less attention than Mystique...what kind of excuse is that?

You know what's stealthier than Mystique *and* Raven? Literally anyone else. If the whole point of morphing into other people is to not be recognized, then she shouldn't morph into her second most recognizable form.

Also sorry she morphed into Grace in X2...not Raven.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Magneto, as a character, is out for his own ends. Even with the X-Men in FIRST CLASS, his true desire is to get close to Shaw. He is essentially faking an alliance with Charles in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST for his own ends, much like in X2. The second he can further his agenda, he does, and it is not the actions of a hero.

Fixed.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm getting the sense (or have for awhile) that the movies have just about taken the X-Men as far as they can go in that format. Only about 3 or 4 of the films in this whole franchise give us a fully-realized X-team that isn't newly formed or about to be killed.

 

[Ryan1210]

Amen. We need more news.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't understand why FOX didn't make Red Sparrow into a Mystique solo. Perfect way to get Raven tf outta X-MEN

I'd rather see them get their $&-+ together producing an actual X-Men film than putting their effort on making another spin off film.

 

[NotNickFury]

Oh, so that's what you'd rather see...

 

[JP]

I'd rather see them get their $&-+ together producing an actual X-Men film than putting their effort on making another spin off film.

Are these things mutually exclusive? We've been getting X-MEN films every two years since 2011. That hasn't shown a single sign of stopping anytime soon.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Amen. We need more news.

with filming set now for july it probally meand middle of june or late june is when we will get something.

 

[The Guard]

Of course Raven draws less attention than Mystique...what kind of excuse is that?

I don't know that it's an excuse for anything. It's one of the two most identifiable versions of the character for audiences as well.

You know what's stealthier than Mystique *and* Raven? Literally anyone else. If the whole point of morphing into other people is to not be recognized, then she shouldn't morph into her second most recognizable form.

She has been recognized once, that I can recall, when she was unconscious and could not shapeshift.

What's your point?

Also sorry she morphed into Grace in X2...not Raven.

She called herself "Grace", but she looked suspiciously like Rebecca Romijn...which is also suspiciously what Raven looked like in THE LAST STAND.