Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 1

[FunkMiller]

Well from what Ive heard Nolan had quite a lot of input during MOS.The way it read it was more of mutual decision at the end :

"In the original version of the script he just got zapped into the Phantom Zone. David [Goyer] and I had long talks about it, and Chris [Nolan] and I talked long about it, and I really feel like we should kill Zod, and I really feel like Superman should kill him."

Goyer :" And originally Chris didn't even want to let us to try and write it, and Zack and I said 'we think we can figure out a way that you will buy it,' and so, I came up with this idea of the heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene and I gave it to Chris, and he said, ' okay, you've convinced me, and I buy it.'"

Yes, well of course ignoring story advice from one of hollywood's most successful storytellers of recent decades is always a good idea.

 

[idiot09]

Yes, well of course ignoring story advice from one of hollywood's most successful storytellers of recent decades is always a good idea.

So he should have just rolled over?It was a mutual decision at the end.Its not like its new ground,Dan Jurgen's MOS,in Superman #22,supes killed Zod too and it was far more gruesome.Jurgen's even defended the movie saying it was executed way better.And I agree with him on it,I thought it was a ballsy but admirable choice.Anyway this argument has been done to death so no point in bringing it up,but lets not pretend Zack was the first one to do it,or that he and the writers should never challenge Nolan's ideas.

 

[Predator jp]

Nolan is not the God and i didn't have any problems with Zod killing.
i had tons of problems with its excution though.

Goyer :" And originally Chris didn't even want to let us to try and write it, and Zack and I said 'we think we can figure out a way that you will buy it,' and so, I came up with this idea of the heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene and I gave it to Chris, and he said, ' okay, you've convinced me, and I buy it.'"

simply put, Nolan bought it but i didn't.

 

[FunkMiller]

So he should have just rolled over?It was a mutual decision at the end.Its not like its new ground,Dan Jurgen's MOS,in Superman #22,supes killed Zod too and it was far more gruesome.Jurgen's even defended the movie saying it was executed way better.And I agree with him on it,I thought it was a ballsy but admirable choice.Anyway this argument has been done to death so no point in bringing it up,but lets not pretend Zack was the first one to do it,or that he and the writers should never challenge Nolan's ideas.

On that particular decision?

Yes. Like a new born puppy wanting its tummy tickled.

 

[idiot09]

Nolan is not the God and i didn't have any problems with Zod killing.
i had tons of problems with its excution though.



simply put, Nolan bought it but i didn't.

Fair enough.I thought the execution of that scene was good,but they could have showed his devastation at the destruction beforehand a bit more.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I want Snyder as DP so we can still get the exquisite shot composition but a much better director.

Snyder as DP is useless, because DP is mostly a technical job. Snyder movies look like that because of Snyder, not Fong. As soon as Fong begins to work with someone else, there's entirely different aesthetics to a movie. And it's defined by a director.

 

[Greens]

Yeah you don't just become DP out of nowhere.

 

[Fallen Angel]

https://***********/ZackSnyder

Every day on set is an amazing adventure with this guy. #JusticeLeague #Aquaman @PrideofGypsies

 

[AnneFan]

He's practicing his new hit single, H2 Whoah.

 

[Superchan]

Yes, well of course ignoring story advice from one of hollywood's most successful storytellers of recent decades is always a good idea.

Even though personally I am never comfortable with the idea of superman killing, the character has killed numerous times before and in some of superman's most famous and revered stories likes the death of superman and what ever happened to the man of tomorrow.
At the end of the day it's the execution (pun un-intended) of the act that's really important rather than the act itself and I felt the execution of Zod's death in MOS was very poor even though the intention behind it (zod goes insane and superman HAD to put him down) was justified.

I would like to note that superman has killed zod TWICE before in the comics, once in the infamous superman #22 by Byrne, which never ever sat well with me and then again in Joe kelley's 'Harvest' story line. Infact in the Harvest superman snaps zod's neck (the story came out many years before MOS) but that's not what kills the infamous general.
So at the end of the day as bad as that death scene was in MOS, it's still 10X better than what we got in the comics IMO.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

DC Films producers back “Great” Zack Snyder.

http://heroichollywood.com/dc-films-producers-back-snyder/

Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad both failed to impress critics, but that hasn’t seemed to dent Warner Bros. plans for their comic properties. DC Films producers Charles Roven and Richard Suckle talked with the Wall Street Journal, and they backed both their vision for the shared universe and under fire director Zack Snyder.

Most criticised Batman v Superman for a lack of humour, which resulted in a dreary film. While the response led to a fan petition to have Snyder sacked from Justice League, the producers don’t seem worried about the direction they are taking. While they listen to criticism, they seem to be sticking to their guns.

Roven said, “You need to pay attention [to criticism], but you also need to stay true to your vision, Zack Snyder is a great director.”

That doesn’t mean that things are going to be the same moving forward. We’ve already seen an extra dash of humour in Justice League, apparently that was a decision by Snyder to move towards a different tone. Having shot two actino heavy films, he’s now switching things up with the humour of Barry Allen.

“I think one of the things Zack really wanted to do, because everybody knows that Zack certainly has an ability to shoot action, was to just say, ‘Hey, I can do this, too,’” Roven said. “It doesn’t have to be all action. These characters are going to be different once they begin to interact with each other.”

Hopefully the negative feedback over the DC releases which enraged so many will prove useful. Roven did say that they have listened to the problems people had with their releases. Roven added, “We did take into consideration some of the things that we learned from some of the comments about Batman v Superman.”

 

[FunkMiller]

DC Films producers back “Great” Zack Snyder.

http://heroichollywood.com/dc-films-producers-back-snyder/

I think the phrase is 'well, he would say that, wouldn't he?'.

 

[Benal]

The inconsistency in the final fight in terms of visuals is interesting. Don't get me wrong, I think that the final fight is a great achievement, just like MOS fights. No one in the industry is even trying the deal with this level of speed and agility. I think that From distance and when the camera is moving, zooming in and out - it's great. Close ups and relatively steady camera - not so much. Comes down to Doomsday design, power level and Batman. Justice League will face the same problem and I wonder if they can fix this.

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[ManWithNoName18]

In regards to the action sequences, I hope we get more stuff like in MOS where fighting isn't happening always at night with dust everywhere.

The color palette needs to increase from grey/Browns. The suicide Squad end battle with Enchantress was also a victim of this.

I also agree about Doomsday. I hope Steppenwolf gets a cool distinct design. Doomsday was a big grey ogre monster minus his iconic crystal armor.

 

[BH/HHH]

The action in MOS has is unparalleled in superhero movies for me, I would definitely agree with you there.

 

[STARMAN]

I prefer the Smallville battle over the fight with Zod and the confrontation with Doomsday.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Superman fighting like never before. Hnnngh.

 

[BH/HHH]

The Battle of Smallville is the best superhero fight scene period IMO. Not seen another superhero film get even close to how good that was.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Battle of Smallville is the best superhero fight scene period IMO. Not seen another superhero film get even close to how good that was.

It's certainly up there that's for sure. A moment that still makes me giggle like a child is when Nam Ek and Faora have Superman pinned to the floor and he unleashes his heat vision on them while screaming defiantly. Love the way you slowly see the heat vision come through Faora's hand as well. Awesome stuff.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[TheRedWraith]

Funny, but I am unclear on if it is for or against Snyder, and what exactly it is saying.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I think it says both of them are hated, but Snyder will be the one who stays on DCEU ship.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I think it says both of them are hated, but Snyder will be the one who stays on DCEU ship.

Hmm, I wouldn't say Ayer is hated at all I think people are starting to shift the blame to one of the major parts of the problem and that is the studio not trusting in what was made and trying to adjust it after the fact.

 

[TheScarecrow]

As one of BvS's harshest critics, I have to say that I have seen the Ultimate Edition now and there's no denying its a substantial improvement over the theatrical version.

I am now willing to admit that some of the blame does not lie with Snyder.

I hope the script for Justice League was locked down and TIGHT. There should be no deleted scenes. The fact that Suicide Squad and BvS were such long films with so much removed is why they were bad films.

Hopefully Snyder has also increased his understanding of the characters.

No turning back now, I guess.

Lets hope Snyder brings to this what I thought he was bringing to BvS.

In Snyder I...hope and pray he doesn't stuff it up.

 

[The Shape]

As one of BvS's harshest critics, I have to say that I have seen the Ultimate Edition now and there's no denying its a substantial improvement over the theatrical version.

I am now willing to admit that some of the blame does not lie with Snyder.

Very brave of you to admit that around here. Props for being honest.