cookiva said:Do you guys think that Marvel knows that Penn can be manipulated to write a certain way, so they will get someone like Mark Millar to write an outline that doesnt involve major characters dying for shock value???
Darthphere said:Funniest thing ive read all day. Get Mark Millar not to kill someone off for shock value? BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I wasn't gonna.Darthphere said:Then make the movie, but dont call it Avengers.
And notice every one of those sentences starts with "I". Plenty of people have no problem with The Ultimates.hippie_hunter said:But I don't want an America Is Always Evil the Movie.
I don't want a dickwad Captain America. Although I would like to see a liberal Captain America. And by liberal, I mean liberal for 1945
I don't want a traitorous Black Widow
I don't want General Nick Fury: Agent of SHAFT
I want Thor to be a definite god, not a person who might or might not be a god
I don't want a mutant Wasp
I don't want a man-eating Hulk
There are so many interpretations of the Avengers. But there's only one interpretation of the Ultimates. So far, at least.hippie_hunter said:Having it fully based on the Ultimates is not the way to go. There are so many interpretations of the Avengers. It would be best to take the best of those interpretations and blend them together. Take the Ultimates cinematic storytelling and hell even base the story very loosely off it. Take the characters of the 616 universe
But - Millar, at least - does it well (IMO, at least).cookiva said:Ya, after writing it, i realised that its hard to have an enriched sarcastic remark online. Seriously, think about it. People are saying that Penn is a terrible writer for the afforementioned act, but Millar will do the same. Come on guys! Try something else!
I am not going to say we because "I" don't represent everyone's viewsCConn said:And notice every one of those sentences starts with "I". Plenty of people have no problem with The Ultimates.
The Ultimates are an interpretation of the Avengers. Just like Ultimate Spider-Man is a new interpretation of Spider-Man. Just like all the other Ultimate versions of characters are new interpretations of the Marvel characters.There are so many interpretations of the Avengers. But there's only one interpretation of the Ultimates. So far, at least.
hippie_hunter said:The Ultimates are an interpretation of the Avengers. Just like Ultimate Spider-Man is a new interpretation of Spider-Man. Just like all the other Ultimate versions of characters are new interpretations of the Marvel characters.
Which is good - hell, thank you for it - but, my point is, it's not like your opinion is how most people feel - it's not like The Ultimates is like...All Star Batman, where everyone thinks it sucks, it does suck, and end of story. The Ultimates is a quite well recieved piece of writing.hippie_hunter said:I am not going to say we because "I" don't represent everyone's views
I actually agree with hippie_hunter on this. Characterization-wise, they are just different intepretations of the same characters. However, I'm more looking at The Ultimates as both the characters and the story itself so, like I said, if altered it greatly, you really don't have "The Ultimates" anymore, IMO.Darthphere said:But theyre not the Avengers, same way Ultimate Spider-Man isnt 616 SPider-Man.hippie_hunter said:The Ultimates are an interpretation of the Avengers. Just like Ultimate Spider-Man is a new interpretation of Spider-Man. Just like all the other Ultimate versions of characters are new interpretations of the Marvel characters.
CConn said:Oh, I do. I would call it that. Like I said, as a total package, I believe The Ultimates to be a completely different animal than the Avengers.
TheVileOne said:The most hilarious thing ever was Zak Penn gushing over Ultimates talking about how it proved that superheroes don't have to be "goofy."
Proof that Penn has obviously never actually read an issue of Ultimates.
TheVileOne said:-Ultimate Hulk:
"HULK SMASH FREDDIE PRINZE JR.!"
"HULK NOT A SISSY BOY! HULK STRAIGHT!"
-Hulk eating his nurse staff.
-Ultimate Thor.
-Ultimate Cap:
"Does this look like an F on my forehead?!"
-Ultimates sitting in a room talking about who should play them in their movie. Nick Fury saying he should be played by Samuel L. Jackson. Hank talking about how Steve Buscemi should play Bruce Banner.
-The Wasp flashing her **** in a fight for a distraction.
The Infernal said:All good reasons why we shouldn't Ultimatise the movie. We've already got a couple of animated ones.
I would like the movie to be mostly, if not all The Avengers and not The Ultimates. In 616 these guys are human, well rounded characters (mostly), but in Ultimates they all seem to be irredeemable jackasses.
I wouldn't mind a couple of things borrowed from the Ultimates such as an updated Thor costume, but not an exact copy of the Ultimate one. Plus I would like people to quesion his Godhood, but he has to be an actual God.
I don't mind Nick Fury being black, but only if he's played by Sam Jackson and only if he's 616 Fury in character. Ultimate Fury is a knob and deserves that destined Pwning from Spider-man.
TheVileOne said:Do you even get that these so called ULTIMATE AVENGERS animated movies are a lot more like Avengers than Ultimate Avengers?
For whatever reason Marvel/Lionsgate saw fit to stay clear of the actual content of Ultimates as much as possible for these animated movies. Simply keeping some of the costumes and plot elements.
TheVileOne said:And goofy jackasses. But according to screenwriter Zak Penn, The Ultimates proves for the first time ever that superheroes don't have to be goofy.
Can anyone honestly say that this is someone that should be writing an Avengers movie?
TheVileOne said:You know people did that in the actual comics before Ultimates came around right?
TheVileOne said:It would essentially be Jackson from those crappy XXX movies.
The Infernal said:I did see elements of the Avengers in there, but I just thought it was a softer version of the Ultimates. They would have went all the way but they probably thought they could reach a younger market with this cartoon as well. Hulk was still fairly evil, there was too little character development, still seems fairly Ultimate too me. Plus those two movies just felt like a couple of episodes in a series (extended, but episodes).
Yeah, I pretty much knew about some costume changes. Though most people in the Marvel Universe have had that, so asking for another one that's reflective of todays tastes isn't wrong. Plus, the fact that 616 Thor has gone back to his classic look is cause for concern when it comes to a movie adaption.
It's not like we're talking about Jean Claude Van Damme. Jackson is an accomplished actor, he'll pull it off if given the chance.
Shuley said:Besides, do you realize the size of what the budget is going to be? If they make this out to be a Fantastic Four movie with stupid jokes and such, I'm going to take my own life,they better not screw this up.
GNR4Life said:Penn hasn't done anything noteworthy that get's me excited in the pants.
Why the f____ does Marvel always go to this guy for writing chores??Honestly,this isn't looking good.Hopefully the solo films all do well with the director being one hell of a talent.
I was mostly right about Zak Penn. There were similar elements but mostly they avoided an Ultimates route.Really great to read through this stuff now. Gives you a feeling of how right and wrong we really were.