The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Iceman]

All in for the eyebrows!

 

[Xeno]

Marvel has been practicing. They'll get Ben's look right.

Korg even has the right number of digits!

 

[Flint Marko]

They really need to get the Thing right. He needs the big eyebrow. None of this trying to show more of his human face so that you can see the actor's expressions. I don't want it to look like the actor.

His face needs to look like this

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Yes please

Not this:

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And get his voice right too. I think he should sound a bit like Louis Armstrong with his gravelly voice which still had a teddy bearish quality to it. Or a cross between Louis Armstrong and Jimmy Durante:

Unpopular opinion: I actually didn't hate the Thing in the Tim Story movies. His brow looks weird and it didn't move right, but I liked that it was a practical effect. It wasn't even close to great but it was serviceable for the time.

I think they'll need to do what they did with the Hulk in the first Avengers: build a bust you can interact with and then lay a CG model over that. It's the best the Hulk has ever looked.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Unpopular opinion: I actually didn't hate the Thing in the Tim Story movies.

The costume in the second film:

had some big improvements, and I'd agree with the letter of what you said: I didn't "hate" it (the design was certainly FAR better than the Trank version).

And in 2005 - 2007 CGI would have been very limiting. We likely would have had very limited screen time and interaction with his surroundings if they had used CGI in 2005-2007 and kept the low budgets.

But now that CGI has progressed and all-digital characters are relatively common, I'm ready for this:

And that can't be done with a guy in a suit. If you compare that design to the photo of Chiklis above, you can see that the proportions are different and you could never pull that off without making big concessions to the limits of a real human body.

And CGI also gives the ability to make the character really move and charge and lunge so he can finally look the way Kirby drew him. If you think about the scene in Rise of the Silver Surfer in which the four have escaped and are headed out of the facility, Chiklis jogs in a very slow, awkward way. I want to see the thing taking huge strides so he looks like a very heavy, but also very powerful man moving that large mass as if it weighs nothing to him.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah, the Thing is fast and pretty agile. He uses all kinds of wrestling moves too. He can't be lumbering or jogging in slow motion. He also needs the kind of mass that a normal human won't have.

It's the same with the Hulk. Lou Ferrigno might've been muscular for a human, but he looked way too skinny and narrow for how the Hulk should look.

And the Thing can't look like a rock monster like Korg or the Trank Thing. He needs to look like the lovable comic design who doesn't have the jagged edges but all the rock plates are fairly compacted together.

And whoever plays the Thing needs to watch some Jimmy Durante and William Bendix because those are who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby have based Ben Grimm's speech patterns on.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Seth Rogen would definitely be a good choice for Grimm.

If you listen to him, his voice naturally becomes gruff several times when he's speaking, even without trying:

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And he has that sort of comical delivery even when he's not saying anything particularly funny. That's what Ben Grimm needs.

He almost sounds a bit like Rowlf the dog from the Muppets, which is another good inspiration for how the Thing could sound:

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[Flint Marko]

The costume in the second film:

had some big improvements, and I'd agree with the letter of what you said: I didn't "hate" it (the design was certainly FAR better than the Trank version).

And in 2005 - 2007 CGI would have been very limiting. We likely would have had very limited screen time and interaction with his surroundings if they had used CGI in 2005-2007 and kept the low budgets.

But now that CGI has progressed and all-digital characters are relatively common, I'm ready for this:


And that can't be done with a guy in a suit. If you compare that design to the photo of Chiklis above, you can see that the proportions are different and you could never pull that off without making big concessions to the limits of a real human body.

And CGI also gives the ability to make the character really move and charge and lunge so he can finally look the way Kirby drew him. If you think about the scene in Rise of the Silver Surfer in which the four have escaped and are headed out of the facility, Chiklis jogs in a very slow, awkward way. I want to see the thing taking huge strides so he looks like a very heavy, but also very powerful man moving that large mass as if it weighs nothing to him.

Oh it definitely has to be CG, but like I said I think they should build an actual model you can interact with and take some texture from. That's what they did with the Hulk in the first Avengers and there were certain moments where he felt so real that you could reach out and touch him.

For how terrible the FFINO Thing was from a design standpoint, I actually felt our first look at him was impressive strictly in terms of how convincing it looks. In movement it was a different story, but I remember being moderately impressed with this production still.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, the Thing is fast and pretty agile. He uses all kinds of wrestling moves too. He can't be lumbering or jogging in slow motion. He also needs the kind of mass that a normal human won't have.

If I can bring myself to compliment one small detail of the Trank Film, they did pull off the appearance of a very large and powerful rock-man... the design was just butchered all to hell.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Oh it definitely has to be CG, but like I said I think they should build an actual model you can interact with and take some texture from. That's what they did with the Hulk in the first Avengers and there were certain moments where he felt so real that you could reach out and touch him.

For how terrible the FFINO Thing was from a design standpoint, I actually felt our first look at him was impressive strictly in terms of how convincing it looks. In movement it was a different story, but I remember being moderately impressed with this production still.

Since the Thing isn't as big as the Hulk, they could probably put someone (like the guy who plays The Mountain) in a mo-cap suit and have him on-set acting out the scenes and then just overlay with the Thing.

The Thing would probably actually be easier in that way than Groot or Rocket (and I believe they had actors doing a lot of the work for both of them on set).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think Seth Rogen would definitely be a good choice for Grimm.

If you listen to him, his voice naturally becomes gruff several times when he's speaking, even without trying:

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And he has that sort of comical delivery even when he's not saying anything particularly funny. That's what Ben Grimm needs.

He almost sounds a bit like Rowlf the dog from the Muppets, which is another good inspiration for how the Thing could sound:

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I do like the idea of Seth Rogan. I'm not sure if he looks athletic enough, but he is a big guy... maybe he can do a Chris Pratt-like transformation.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

My wife's about 5'7":

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I could see why people would want him as the thing. But man idk lol

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I could see why people would want him as the thing. But man idk lol

Yeah, he checks some boxes, but not others - but since he'll be a CGI character most of the time, I'm not sure if I'd get too hung up some of the elements that don't work so well for Ben Grimm.

He's certainly closer than Jamie Bell, but I think there are some better people out there. But Ben is a tough one and I haven't been able to think of anybody yet who I'd consider ideal.

 

[Dark Raven]

Chris Pratt could've played Ben Grimm if he hadn't been Starlord.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Chris Pratt could've played Ben Grimm if he hadn't been Starlord.

As you mentioned, Rogan's voice has some great tones, and since 90% of the role would be voice-overs, I think I'd go with Rogan over Pratt.

 

[Power Cosmic]

I could see why people would want him as the thing. But man idk lol

All I know is that I don't want him as Ben at all!

 

[ADollarADay]

One vote against Seth Rogen. The dude's voice is too unique not to bother me (another reason why I didn't like him cast in The Lion King). I also don't think the guy can act worth a damn and all his movies are about pot smoking and dick jokes.

 

[Zarex]

I prefer Terry Crews or Rob Riggle over Rogen.

 

[Power Cosmic]

One vote against Seth Rogen. The dude's voice is too unique not to bother me (another reason why I didn't like him cast in The Lion King). I also don't think the guy can act worth a damn and all his movies are about pot smoking and dick jokes.

That's the main reason I want him far away from anything MCU.

 

[TheVileOne]

My problem with the Rogen thing is he needs to be able to play Grimm as a New Yorker. No compromises.

 

[Zarex]

A report from Deadline is suggesting Disney may spin off the 20th Century Fox Studio if that is a sticking point in the deal not closing. I have to think the Mouse would peel off Avatar, Star Wars, X-Men and the FF before letting it go, but it's still all speculation at this point.


http://deadline.com/2017/12/media-m...com-cbs-mgm-hollywood-predictions-1202231391/

 

[Dark Raven]

A report from Deadline is suggesting Disney may spin off the 20th Century Fox Studio if that is a sticking point in the deal not closing. I have to think the Mouse would peel off Avatar, Star Wars, X-Men and the FF before letting it go, but it's still all speculation at this point.


http://deadline.com/2017/12/media-m...com-cbs-mgm-hollywood-predictions-1202231391/

Spin off or leave behind? I thought the language of the article is more along the lines of leaving behind. But who would they leave it behind for? And what would they take with them? I thought the 20th Century Fox Studio was the main thing they were buying.

I can't imagine they would abandon Star Wars and the Marvel properties though.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Iger did mention the X-Men, FF, & Deadpool in the Fox/Disney statement so its not like that’ll be ignored.

 

[honestbharani]

He even mentioned SW: ANH.