6.19 Nemesis - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[avidreader]

Will this be the first episode to air on a cast member's birthday? If anyone actually knows the answer to that you have just a little too much useless knowledge in your head.

I dont know the answer to that, but I did realise that Tom Welling's birthday falls on the same day of the week as mine. Is that useless enough? t:

 

[AgentPat]

I think he meant the specific scene of Superman (or, Clark) recharging. But hey! They did it in L&C too, so Superman Returns must have ripped them off, then.

It was done in AOS too.

'Twas a cheap shot and I didn't feel like ignoring it. Too bad they cut a similar scene from Zod, though I'm sure there would have been similar "complaints."

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

It's funny how they've never done it in an episode before Superman Returns.

wait, so now we're going to give SR credit for inventing the concept that Clark gets his powers from the sun?

I guess you never saw the episode Perry from 2003 where they figured out Clark's powers were from the sun?

Let's get real here. In SR he flew up above the clouds into the sun's beams in another in long line of tired Christ allegories. In this episode Clark came up out of a hole looked up at the sun and got repowered. The scenes arent exactly similar. If anything it's closer to what happened in one of those Mole Man comics.

 

[superboy13]

It was done in AOS too.

Hmm, haven't seen a lot of those.

'Twas a cheap shot and I didn't feel like ignoring it. Too bad they cut a similar scene from Zod, though I'm sure there would have been similar "complaints."

They cut it?
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*checks .avi file*
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Yup, you're right. It was in the previews, though, right?

(PS: Hey! I'm posting )

 

[AssMan]

I guess you never saw the episode Perry from 2003 where they figured out Clark's powers were from the sun?

Isnt that the episode where he would Super Speed to places very randomly due to an Eclipse or something blocking the sun & he couldnt control his powers

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

decent episode. much better than last week.

Highlights:
- Clark and Lex speaking their minds to one another
- Lana being a mean girl
- Clark's SUBTLE little recharge in the sun
- Clark and Martha's talk in the loft and her line about his hope being his "greatest strength and his greatest weakness."

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Isnt that the episode where he would Super Speed to places very randomly due to an Eclipse or something blocking the sun & he couldnt control his powers

it was from the solar flares.

 

[AssMan]

it was from the solar flares.

Yeah thats it

 

[gtkilla]

wait, so now we're going to give SR credit for inventing the concept that Clark gets his powers from the sun?

I guess you never saw the episode Perry from 2003 where they figured out Clark's powers were from the sun?

Let's get real here. In SR he flew up above the clouds into the sun's beams in another in long line of tired Christ allegories. In this episode Clark came up out of a hole looked up at the sun and got repowered. The scenes arent exactly similar. If anything it's closer to what happened in one of those Mole Man comics.

Nope, I just think that they never would have done this "recharging" scene if it wasn't in SR. Plus, they've exaggerated Clark's vulnerability to Kryptonite in this episode, another nod to SR. Wasn't it last week's episode that had Clark writhing in pain on the floor because of a meteor rock the size of someone's fist? Now, all of a sudden he's able to crawl through spaces surrounded by Kryptonite?

 

[superboy13]

Nope, I just think that they never would have done this "recharging" scene if it wasn't in SR. Plus, they've exaggerated Clark's vulnerability to Kryptonite in this episode, another nod to SR. Wasn't it last week's episode that had Clark writhing in pain on the floor because of a meteor rock the size of someone's fist? Now, all of a sudden he's able to crawl through spaces surrounded by Kryptonite?

I don't think they were nods to SR. It's just part of the Superman lore. He's been underground and depowered... great chance to show him recharging, nothing more. And about the K effects... well, they haven't been very consistent in Smallville, so I wouldn't call that a nod either.

 

[AgentPat]

I guess you never saw the episode Perry from 2003 where they figured out Clark's powers were from the sun?

Great minds...

They cut it?

Yeah, apparently. I was bummed too.

It was in the previews, though, right?

Yes...
http://www.kryptonsite.com/zodtrailer1-22.htm

(PS: Hey! I'm posting )

 

[superboy13]

Great minds...



Yeah, apparently. I was bummed too.

Yup, it looked pretty cool.

Yes...
http://www.kryptonsite.com/zodtrailer1-22.htm

I knew it. Thanks for the link.

ROFL!! D

 

[AgentPat]

Nope, I just think that they never would have done this "recharging" scene if it wasn't in SR. Plus, they've exaggerated Clark's vulnerability to Kryptonite in this episode, another nod to SR.

Did you miss the other posts that pointed out it was done already in SV (but cut for unknown reasons), L&C, AOS, and probably hundreds of comics in the past 70 odd years? It's part of the mythos. SR is just another version within that mythology.

Wasn't it last week's episode that had Clark writhing in pain on the floor because of a meteor rock the size of someone's fist? Now, all of a sudden he's able to crawl through spaces surrounded by Kryptonite?

A valid point, but SV has never been consistent with the way they portray the effects of Kryptonite on Clark, unfortunately. He's actually *injested* the stuff and lived. It's dumb; I agree. But it has ZERO to do with the equally lame portrayals of K on Superman in SR. Guess we can chalk it up to artistic license, and what's required in the plot - not that it makes it right.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Nope, I just think that they never would have done this "recharging" scene if it wasn't in SR.

you may "think" it, but you havent provided any kind of evidence to back up why that would be the case or shown one similarity in those scenes.

Plus, they've exaggerated Clark's vulnerability to Kryptonite in this episode, another nod to SR.

You're seeing things you want to be there, as some kind of weird validation of some of the ridiculous parts of that silly movie. Smallville in and of itself has had inconsistencies in the effects of Kryptonite on Clark. It's due to having different writers on serialized TV, it's no "nod" to SR.

Next you're going to be telling me that because Lex is bald it's a homage to Kevin Spacey

 

[blksuperman2]

Wasn't it last week's episode that had Clark writhing in pain on the floor because of a meteor rock the size of someone's fist? Now, all of a sudden he's able to crawl through spaces surrounded by Kryptonite?

And about the K effects... well, they haven't been very consistent in Smallville, so I wouldn't call that a nod either.

Actually they have been consistent about the effects of K on Clark up until this episode. He's pretty much been incapaciated everytime he's remotely around it. It's only when someone else has his powers like Lionel in Transference that K doesn't seem to effect him as much.

I agree w/ gtkilla though. It doesn't make sense considering just last week he couldn't even move around k and this week he's able to not only move but he can actually walk away from it. Oh well

 

[Serene]

I agree w/ gtkilla though. It doesn't make sense considering just last week he couldn't even move around k and this week he's able to not only move but he can actually walk away from it. Oh well

As has already been pointed out, SV is notoriously inconsistent with the severity of how green K affects Clark. The green K effect is directly proportional to how disabled the story needs Clark to be.

I disagree about last's week's ep being a good example though. Last week the rock was actually placed on him, for an extended period of time. This week, it was more scattered around him and I thought they made a point of showing Clark to be generally weakened (not being able to break that chainlock).

But yeah.. they definitely do play pretty "loose" with the green K. Maybe it comes in different strengths, like sinsemilla and thai stick?

<-getting a little goofy.
<-loved this ep.

 

[AgentPat]

Actually they have been consistent about the effects of K on Clark up until this episode. He's pretty much been incapacitated every time he's remotely around it. It's only when someone else has his powers like Lionel in Transference that K doesn't seem to effect him as much.

I agree w/ gtkilla though. It doesn't make sense considering just last week he couldn't even move around k and this week he's able to not only move but he can actually walk away from it. Oh well

No, they HAVE been inconsistent. It's a flaw of the show, which I freely admit. Chloe held up a big hunk of K right behind Clark in Splinter, and not only was he able to superspeed away, but he blew through the Kent's kitchen door in the process. Then there's Devoted, where he actually drinks the stuff, and Void, where he's injected with it (though I concede he DID "die" from that, but recovered because "dying neutralizes the Kryptonite?" Okay, whatever. LOL)

Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest nitpicks of the show, next to the clichés of characters being serendipitously knocked out when Clark is doing his thing, or Lex being shot or kidnapped. That sort of stuff.

 

[AgentPat]

^ Oooo.. I forgot a good one...

Jinx! Where Clark actually HOLDS a piece of Krytponite in his hand and he can still stand - and talk.

Yeah. 'Twas dumb.

 

[thebigtree95]

I dont know the answer to that, but I did realise that Tom Welling's birthday falls on the same day of the week as mine. Is that useless enough? t:

I'm just glad mine and Tom's birthday aren't any farther apart. As long as I can say I'm the same age as Clark Kent, I don't feel old. t:

 

[Eros]

^ Oooo.. I forgot a good one...

Jinx! Where Clark actually HOLDS a piece of Krytponite in his hand and he can still stand - and talk.

Yeah. 'Twas dumb.

well atleast he didn't lift a Kryptonite filled continent, and fling it into deep space.

 

[AgentPat]

well atleast he didn't lift a Kryptonite filled continent, and fling it into deep space.

Don't get me started...

 

[KalKai]

 

[SamuraiSon6]

well atleast he didn't lift a Kryptonite filled continent, and fling it into deep space.

lolt:

 

[Serene]

Kal.. can I request that Clana one, only from a minute or so prior to that one, from where she first walked up to him.. the hands, the looks... me getting all mushy..

 

[AgentPat]

Can't...

Stop...

Staring...