86th Annual Academy Awards (2014) - Part 2

[matrix_ghost]

Shoving a candle up my ass and still no oscar. **** you academy !!!

 

[Keyser Soze]

Money, or prestige, or just a reflection of cultural attitudes. I think we're agreeing that the current preference for best picture are movies that glorify the Hollywood Liberal consensus:
- 12 years a slave
- argo
- king's speech
- hurtlock
- slumdog millionaire
That's five movies of one kind in a span of six years. It's a significant contrast to the types of movies that won before, and the change was quite sudden in my opinion, beginning in 2008, with the possible exception of Crash.

There might be money to be made this way, but it's hard to follow.

I see what you're getting at, but can you really include a film that rose-tints that old imperialist institution the a Royal Family on a list of films with a Liberal agenda? And even before pointing out that you're overlooking NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN and THE ARTIST, I'd say those films are pretty distinct.

 

[Maximus One]

Money, or prestige, or just a reflection of cultural attitudes. I think we're agreeing that the current preference for best picture are movies that glorify the Hollywood Liberal consensus:
- 12 years a slave
- argo
- king's speech
- hurtlock
- slumdog millionaire
That's five movies of one kind in a span of six years. It's a significant contrast to the types of movies that won before, and the change was quite sudden in my opinion, beginning in 2008, with the possible exception of Crash.

There might be money to be made this way, but it's hard to follow.

I've only seen Hurt Locker and 12 Years so I don't really know. I do think you're right though.

 

[Drz]

I saw every Best Picture nominee except for PHILOMENA, and they were all great, with a few (12 YEARS A SLAVE, WOLF OF WALL STREET, HER) being bona-fide 5-star classics. So, I'm fine with 12 YEARS A SLAVE winning, but I think the best of the bunch was THE WOLF OF WALL STREET. That was an astounding film, one of Scorsese's best, and it's one I can see myself returning to and enjoying again and again in the years to come, one that, while divisive now, is going to enter the canon of definitive films of this decade in the future.

Wolf of Wall Street is going to be remembered as a boring film that lost it's premise and was filled with filler party scenes and drugs, forgetting the whole premise of it's story until the last scene.

Canon of definite films? Lol.

 

[chamber-music]

I liked Wolf Of Wall Street but its a fun movie but its not that original. Wolf Of Wall Street is Wall Street or Boiler Room with more drugs and sex.

 

[Supernova]

I find it funny and ironic that matthew was in wolf of wall street for 10 minutes with leo and still won an academy award over leo's film. Seriously though if I was leo i would take some time off or maybe go make fun action movie or comedy just to clense the pool of movies hes done for just oscars. Im afraid though hes not gonna get one till hes old.

 

[Raiden]

I find it funny and ironic that matthew was in wolf of wall street for 10 minutes with leo and still won an academy award over leo's film. Seriously though if I was leo i would take some time off or maybe go make fun action movie or comedy just to clense the pool of movies hes done for just oscars. Im afraid though hes not gonna get one till hes old.

There were many other iconic actors like Al Pacino who didn't win until multiples of nomination later, or even ones who haven't won one at all like Gary Oldman. Oscars would snub some actors for a variety of reasons, and Leo just happens to always ended up on the losing side.

 

[DA_Champion]

I see what you're getting at, but can you really include a film that rose-tints that old imperialist institution the a Royal Family on a list of films with a Liberal agenda?

Absolutely. I said Hollywood liberal consensus.

King's Speech glorifies the royal family which is generally well-perceived in the USA, it's much more popular in the USA than it is in the UK. The movie doesn't at all challenge the concept of royal family, it just assumes it as some sort of magnificent fact of nature. Don't forget the role that Winston Churchill played in the movie, which is exact opposite of the role that he played in history.

 

[DA_Champion]

You guys are practically organising a telethon for Leonardo DiCaprio, yet I see no compassion for Amy Adams.

 

[Raiden]

 

[Keyser Soze]

Wolf of Wall Street is going to be remembered as a boring film that lost it's premise and was filled with filler party scenes and drugs, forgetting the whole premise of it's story until the last scene.

Canon of definite films? Lol.

Absolutely. It's a film about the current financial crisis disguised as a 90s period piece, it's absolutely relevant to the current climate. For the first time since his DeNiro collaborations, Scorsese is getting back to what he does best: intricate, anecdotal dissections of abhorrent anti-heroes and turning that back to say something about the American consciousness. Scorsese has morphed into something of the old guard in recent years, though still making some great films, and it was invigorating seeing him tapping into that wild outsider vitality again.

I think some people were wrong-footed by THE WOLF OF WALL STREET because they think a film is only allowed to be great if it's straight-faced and Important with a capital I. Instead, this film is trashy, absurdist, it revels in excess. I knew when watching it that it would be highly divisive, but Scorsese's true masterpieces usually are. At the time, people called RAGING BULL overlong and plodding, and that didn't win Best Picture either.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I find it funny and ironic that matthew was in wolf of wall street for 10 minutes with leo and still won an academy award over leo's film. Seriously though if I was leo i would take some time off or maybe go make fun action movie or comedy just to clense the pool of movies hes done for just oscars. Im afraid though hes not gonna get one till hes old.

I don't feel like Leo in WOLF OF WALL STREET was Oscar-baity. He must have known as soon as he sniffed cocaine out that hooker's rear end this wasn't going to be an Academy friendly part. Part of what made the performance so excellent was the "f**k it! I'm not getting any Oscars for this, I'm just gonna go wild with it," quality.

 

[MrMaooz]

Ellen was funny, but played it safe. Need someone who can take more jabs next year like Louie CK, Colbert, or Ricky Gervais.

 

[DA_Champion]

Absolutely. It's a film about the current financial crisis disguised as a 90s period piece, it's absolutely relevant to the current climate. For the first time since his DeNiro collaborations, Scorsese is getting back to what he does best: intricate, anecdotal dissections of abhorrent anti-heroes and turning that back to say something about the American consciousness. Scorsese has morphed into something of the old guard in recent years, though still making some great films, and it was invigorating seeing him tapping into that wild outsider vitality again.

I think some people were wrong-footed by THE WOLF OF WALL STREET because they think a film is only allowed to be great if it's straight-faced and Important with a capital I. Instead, this film is trashy, absurdist, it revels in excess. I knew when watching it that it would be highly divisive, but Scorsese's true masterpieces usually are. At the time, people called RAGING BULL overlong and plodding, and that didn't win Best Picture either.

For you: Film Critic Hulk critiques American Hustle, and points to The Wolf of Wall Street as an example of a better film:
http://badassdigest.com/2014/01/20/film-crit-hulk-smash-the-fallrise-of-david-o.-russell/

 

[jacobed]

I think American Hustle is the better film. It knows when to end although even that was a little too long.

 

[Bim]

Stephen Fry wins. He's the only one who made Christian Bale giggle like this:

http://missrambler.tumblr.com/post/77135229593/christian-bale-during-stephen-frys-monologue-at

Ooh he smiled! lol

 

[samsnee]

Ellen was funny, but played it safe. Need someone who can take more jabs next year like Louie CK, Colbert, or Ricky Gervais.

I disagree. The host shouldn't be a complete suck-up, but this isn't a roast. I think it's disrespectful to the audience, and just makes the room more awkward.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Absolutely. I said Hollywood liberal consensus.

King's Speech glorifies the royal family which is generally well-perceived in the USA, it's much more popular in the USA than it is in the UK. The movie doesn't at all challenge the concept of royal family, it just assumes it as some sort of magnificent fact of nature. Don't forget the role that Winston Churchill played in the movie, which is exact opposite of the role that he played in history.

Looks like we got our new Mr. Fantastic in here with all this stretching going on.

 

[StarLord]

What's with all this ''playing it safe'' crap?

Ellen did a great job. Not every award ceremony has to be crass or like Ricky Gervais insulting everyone in the room.

The pizzas and selfie was brilliant.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Anyone else not surprised by any of the Oscar winners?.

Seriously the only one I had concerns about was the Best Supporting Actress going to Jennifer Lawrence. Lupita Nyong'o more than deserved it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I wasn't surprised by most of the winners, but I did feel like there was some uncertainty to who would walk away with Best Pic. Seemed like it was a big split between whether Gravity or 12 Years would get it.

Also weird that we got a different Best Pic and Best Director winner two years in a row.

 

[C. Lee]

Been reading some of the posts in here...I have to leave now....I don't think there is room enough with some of the giant egos in here.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Anyone else not surprised by any of the Oscar winners?.

Seriously the only one I had concerns about was the Best Supporting Actress going to Jennifer Lawrence. Lupita Nyong'o more than deserved it.

Not everyone I wanted to win won, but most of the people I expected to win won. Lupita Nyong'o winning was a pleasant surprise, as she was my fave nominee, but I was starting to think Jennifer Lawrence (no slouch either, my second fave from the shortlist) was a lock to win.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Absolutely. I said Hollywood liberal consensus.

King's Speech glorifies the royal family which is generally well-perceived in the USA, it's much more popular in the USA than it is in the UK. The movie doesn't at all challenge the concept of royal family, it just assumes it as some sort of magnificent fact of nature. Don't forget the role that Winston Churchill played in the movie, which is exact opposite of the role that he played in history.

I still feel it's a bit of a loose basis of connecting the films, though. They seem quite distinct to me. Some are triumphant feel-good films (SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE, ARGO, THE KING'S SPEECH) and others are pessimistic downers (NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, THE HURT LOCKER). Some are set in America, others aren't. Some are historical or based on real life, others aren't. You could make an argument for many times in recent years where the prickly, difficult, but better film on the shortlist gets overlooked in favour of the more obvious crowd-pleaser when it comes to picking a winner, but that's hardly a recent trend.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Not everyone I wanted to win won, but most of the people I expected to win won. Lupita Nyong'o winning was a pleasant surprise, as she was my fave nominee, but I was starting to think Jennifer Lawrence (no slouch either, my second fave from the shortlist) was a lock to win.

Yeah agreed especially the first line. I wanted Amy Adams to win but knew it was almost impossible for her to do so. Other than that nothing else was a surprise.