The Dark Knight A Fresh Joker Idea

[Ronny Shade]

Um...Batman, Harvey, Harley, Gordon, Rachel....

 

[JoeBoxer]

think about it why would joker or the movie take it's time to tell his story several times. And I'm pretty sure in the comics aswell he doesn't tell anyone his backround that's why he is unkown and mysterious. Also if they were to just show it instead they wouldn't have to give out info just the event that caused him to be joker (Red Hood).

 

[Ronny Shade]

and ask yourself...does showing the origin keep the joker myserious?

 

[JoeBoxer]

hmm, well i meant for the characters, but if it shows only the crimes and the acid as red hood maybe, that still would be for the audience since we all know the story anyways they could go without even telling it. but frankly i'd like to see it. It wouldn't give any info or clue to any of the other characters as should be.

 

[AnimeJune]

I'm not sure but doesn't bubble boy have a lisp?

The character, you mean? Because the actor doesn't. Lots of actors have lisps and have prominent careers - Drew Barrymore, for one. Adam Brody for another.

Edit: I agree with Ronny Shade - would he be mysterious if we knew everything about his life and how he became that way? He's so evil he's almost a force of nature.

 

[Rynan]

Exactly. Origins are for limp wristed sissys.

And I don't care how many ways people to try to justify it, it's still uneeded.

And unwanted like a red headed step child.

 

[El Payaso]

and ask yourself...does showing the origin keep the joker myserious?

Does showing the origin keep Batman myserious?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Does showing the origin keep Batman myserious?

no

thats not the point

 

[AnimeJune]

no

thats not the point

Exactly - Batman and Joker are supposed to be complete opposites. If Joker is completely evil, Batman, as the opposite, couldn't be completely good. Know why?

Because the logical definition of opposites is that they can't both be true or both be false at the same time. If a person is ambiguous, then calling him completely good would be false, and completely evil would be false.

Joker is the ultimate evil - so he doesn't need an origin. Batman, as his opposite, is ambiguous. Outwardly good, but full of grey area and turmoil. Giving him an origin allows us to explain that Batman is human, whereas the Joker's given up his humanity in the totalness of his cruelty and derangement. Batman is a man, Joker's a primal force for darkness.

 

[trustyside-kick]

So in short to some that all up...don't show/do Joker origin for the future Nolan films. :P

 

[Ronny Shade]

So in short to some that all up...don't show/do Joker origin for the future Nolan films. :P

-GarmmarBatman

 

[AnimeJune]

So in short to some that all up...don't show/do Joker origin for the future Nolan films. :P

GrammarBatGirl translation: "In summary, please refrain from interpreting Joker's origin for future Batman films directed by Christopher Nolan."

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Exactly - Batman and Joker are supposed to be complete opposites. If Joker is completely evil, Batman, as the opposite, couldn't be completely good. Know why?

Because the logical definition of opposites is that they can't both be true or both be false at the same time. If a person is ambiguous, then calling him completely good would be false, and completely evil would be false.

Joker is the ultimate evil - so he doesn't need an origin. Batman, as his opposite, is ambiguous. Outwardly good, but full of grey area and turmoil. Giving him an origin allows us to explain that Batman is human, whereas the Joker's given up his humanity in the totalness of his cruelty and derangement. Batman is a man, Joker's a primal force for darkness.

I want his origin story damn it!

I want it how it was supposed to be, not in Burton's version where Joker became Bruce's parents' killer.

I want The Joker to be helpless comic down on his luck for his big break, with a pregnant wife, living in the slums, doing dirty deeds for cash. Then, one day his buddy asks him to accompany him. After a couple of jobs The Joker or 'Jack' is ready for his iniation into The Red Hood Gang.

And then of course...you know the rest of the story.

Give me that or give me hell!

 

[AnimeJune]

I want his origin story damn it!

I want it how it was supposed to be, not in Burton's version where Joker became Bruce's parents' killer.

I want The Joker to be helpless comic down on his luck for his big break, with a pregnant wife, living in the slums, doing dirty deeds for cash. Then, one day his buddy asks him to accompany him. After a couple of jobs The Joker or 'Jack' is ready for his iniation into The Red Hood Gang.

And then of course...you know the rest of the story.

Give me that or give me hell!

How would you like your hell, sir? Well-done? Gift-wrapped? With extra butter?

 

[Rynan]

I want it how it was supposed to be...

I want The Joker to be helpless comic down on his luck for his big break, with a pregnant wife, living in the slums, doing dirty deeds for cash. Then, one day his buddy asks him to accompany him. After a couple of jobs The Joker or 'Jack' is ready for his iniation into The Red Hood Gang.

 

[trustyside-kick]

GrammarBatGirl translation: "In summary, please refrain from interpreting Joker's origin for future Batman films directed by Christopher Nolan."

Haha.

 

[StorminNorman]

you know the idea of Joker telling people different stories of his origins is not that great of an idea it would take way too long, i don't know if it would work. also i'm not sure who there is to tell.

Batman, Harleen Quinzell, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Rachel, Yo Mamma - the list goes on.

 

[StorminNorman]

think about it why would joker or the movie take it's time to tell his story several times. And I'm pretty sure in the comics aswell he doesn't tell anyone his backround that's why he is unkown and mysterious. Also if they were to just show it instead they wouldn't have to give out info just the event that caused him to be joker (Red Hood).

Ever read the Killing Joke?

 

[StorminNorman]

I want his origin story damn it!

I want it how it was supposed to be, not in Burton's version where Joker became Bruce's parents' killer.

I want The Joker to be helpless comic down on his luck for his big break, with a pregnant wife, living in the slums, doing dirty deeds for cash. Then, one day his buddy asks him to accompany him. After a couple of jobs The Joker or 'Jack' is ready for his iniation into The Red Hood Gang.

And then of course...you know the rest of the story.

Give me that or give me hell!

The only way to have a Joker with a past that its "supposed to be" you have to have an uncertain past for the Joker.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Batman, Harleen Quinzell, Harvey Dent, Gordon, Rachel, Yo Mamma - the list goes on.

Ya, basically he would only tell people about it that he could see himself gaining something in return; sympathy, services, etc...Harley is a good example of that.

 

[ang_hulk]

I think that the writers have to decide if joker will be batmans arch nemisis as he is in the comic(in which case the more back round we get the better especilly having to do with his child hood,bruces loving parents vs jokers dirt bags with legs) or will he be a villian,one of the many run of the mills not to return ever agian.if thats the case then who cares about what made the man that became the joker,they should instead focus on what made the joker and be done with it.

if hes to be the nemisis i nice flashback scene would be ras explaining ying and yang "there is an evil for every good bruce,even ours,even you" kind of thing ya know?

 

[StorminNorman]

Ya, basically he would only tell people about it that he could see himself gaining something in return; sympathy, services, etc...Harley is a good example of that.

exactly He would use it like a Weapon.

 

[trustyside-kick]

exactly He would use it like a Weapon.

Ya...and seeing how one of the people you listed was Harvey Dent...and seeing how Goyer mentioned Joker being on trial and throwing the acid on Dent..check this out:

Don't you think it would be cool if Joker tells Harvey about his "rough" past in order to gain his sympathy and maybe try to make his sentence not as bad? Then during the trial Joker betrays him and throws the acid.

If Joker were to tell Gordon here is what I think would be cool. He would tell Gordon and then Gordon like spits at him not caring and crap because he sees the Joker for what he is.

Telling Bats? Hmm, that is a hard one. But I guess as a distraction during a battle? Talk some smack bring up his past and whip out some weapon to fight dirty? Over the course of the battle he could tell him parts of his past to distract Bats.

I think that the writers have to decide if joker will be batmans arch nemisis as he is in the comic(in which case the more back round we get the better especilly having to do with his child hood,bruces loving parents vs jokers dirt bags with legs) or will he be a villian,one of the many run of the mills not to return ever agian.if thats the case then who cares about what made the man that became the joker,they should instead focus on what made the joker and be done with it.

if hes to be the nemisis i nice flashback scene would be ras explaining ying and yang "there is an evil for every good bruce,even ours,even you" kind of thing ya know?

Well they are signed to do 3 films...I doubt there will be more than 3 because actors rarely want to play the same character for 9+ years. Goyer said he would have a small role in the second film and I am guessing a way bigger one in the third since he will cause the creation of Two Face.

I am not really sure if they really need to identify him as Batman's greatest villain or anything...especially if they will not make more than 3 Batman films. If anything it is understood by the fans; meh.

 

[StorminNorman]

Ya...and seeing how one of the people you listed was Harvey Dent...and seeing how Goyer mentioned Joker being on trial and throwing the acid on Dent..check this out:

Don't you think it would be cool if Joker tells Harvey about his "rough" past in order to gain his sympathy and maybe try to make his sentence not as bad? Then during the trial Joker betrays him and throws the acid.

If Joker were to tell Gordon here is what I think would be cool. He would tell Gordon and then Gordon like spits at him not caring and crap because he sees the Joker for what he is.

Telling Bats? Hmm, that is a hard one. But I guess as a distraction during a battle? Talk some smack bring up his past and whip out some weapon to fight dirty? Over the course of the battle he could tell him parts of his past to distract Bats.

I think the Joker understands Bats better than pretty much any other character in the Batverse, the Joker would know that if Batman thought that he played a role in the creation of the Joker Batman would be haunted by it. That is his weapon against Bats.

 

[trustyside-kick]

What do you think about what I said with Dent and Gordon?