Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - S2E2 "Heavy Is The Head"

[OnTheAir]

Maybe she's working in tandem with Mockingbird, and both are acting under Coulson's authority.

I like that idea. Bobbi could be looking out for her.

If Skye has grown and developed as a field agent over the past however many months under May's guidance, maybe Simmons has too under Bobbi's.

 

[Kaewin]

Just a thought but is that another of the Stones? It seems if you touch one of them and you are not "special" ( I don't like using that word) that something happens to you. Well charcoal statue of death seems bad. We have seen 3 so far and there are 6 could this be one of the missing ones? In the comics the Gems attract each other. The Obelisk was found during WW II when the Tesseract was being used.

Just a random though

 

[Heretic]

I'd love it to be an Infinity Gem, but I dont think Marvel will allow one of them to be introduced on tv.

 

[Corwin]

Yes...a Hydra agent...but we didn't know that he was Hydra at the time. The most elite, secretive agency in the world, secretly run by an evil ex-Nazi group...and yet they let Skye and Simmons leave the Hub alive and remain on the team so they could hack their files again? It makes SHIELD/Hydra look like Keystone Cops, not the most dangerous group on earth.

And exactly why did Hunter shoot his team? So he could get Creel? Wasn't that the goal of the mission? The fact is, the mission failed and the obelisk is loose because of Hunter's betrayal...and that doesn't matter????

Also...lets face it...Ward will rejoin the team. We aren't done with them forgiving betrayal. Ward murdered good people...he allowed dangerous weapons to be set loose...including the man who almost killed the cellist. He is personally to blame for Fitz current situation...and at some point, all of that will be wiped away and the team will let him rejoin. Well...maybe he will never rejoin...but given the history of the show, I see no reason to think that he won't. If he does, that will be a bad thing because it will expose that there is no end to SHIELD's naivete.

Why should Skye and Simmons be killed? For tranquing a superior? Too harsh.
Skye hacking into her personal info and details on her crews extraction plan?
Hunter also used the non-lethal Icer, as was clearly mentioned. The wrong thing
for the right reasons. Yes, that's forgivable.
I couldn't see even a remote comparison to what Ward has done.
Let's not be cynical, I'm enjoying the hell out of this show.

 

[Heretic]

Why should Skye and Simmons be killed? For tranquing a superior? Too harsh.
Skye hacking into her personal info and details on her crews extraction plan?
Hunter also used the non-lethal Icer, as was clearly mentioned. The wrong thing
for the right reasons. Yes, that's forgivable.
I couldn't see even a remote comparison to what Ward has done.
Let's not be cynical, I'm enjoying the hell out of this show.

Because Hydra killed for fun...but chose not to kill someone who hacked into their secret files in their freaking base of operations AND shot a high ranking official in the process. If SHIELD/Hydra were at all competent, Skye and Simmons would have rotted in prison until Coulson busted them out as SHIELD fell.

Hunter shot his team because he wanted to get Creel...when his team's mission was to get Creel...and in the process he allowed the obelisk to fall into evil hands. That's a HUGE deal.

 

[mkilban2]

Yeah I've been thinking they could introduce an infinity gem on the show, but it seems doubtful since a good amount of people might have no idea where it came from when its seen in a film. But I'm also having a hard time figuring out where the last 3 stones will come into play. Doubtful in AoU and AntMan, doubtful in Thor3 since Thor2 just had one, maybe in Cap 3 somewhere but idk, I remember CherokeeSam bringing up something called the Serpent Crown that involves time travel or something. Probably one in Dr. strange, and then a final one in Guardians 2 I guess since that Soul gem always deal eith Adam Warlock. Or maybe Thanos already has one and we don't know it yet.

But yeah, the remaining stones are a big mystery and intrigue to me. Since I assume they'll play a role in Avengers 3, and probably beyond

 

[Heretic]

I think that there needs to be some impact on the movies from tv. I'd love for the first scene in Avengers to be the team fighting/defeating Graviton, Blizzard etc while whipping Hydra. Or, at least they should have the Defenders have to fight them.

 

[Quasimod0]

Simmons is definitely not Hydra. That'd be crazy. We already had Ward, and they wouldn't reveal that in the preview.
Anyway, has anyone else noticed that this big black guy (who's name I can't remember), would make a great Luke Cage? Man, he has the look!

 

[The Shrike]

Awesome episode. Really dig where they are going this season. Pretty great stuff so far. I'm definitely thinking Skye's dad and Raina are on that Inhuman tip. Seems like something they can stretch into season 3 and then can introdue them into the MCU proper.

I'm thinking more and more that Skye's dad is Karnak. We keep seeing him with bloody hands, and Karnak in the comics is continually striking hard objects with his hands, to hone them as weapons. Also, whenever an inhuman, especially a royal, went missing, he was the one who inevitably went to find them.

 

[TheLastAvenger]

Yes...a Hydra agent...but we didn't know that he was Hydra at the time. The most elite, secretive agency in the world, secretly run by an evil ex-Nazi group...and yet they let Skye and Simmons leave the Hub alive and remain on the team so they could hack their files again? It makes SHIELD/Hydra look like Keystone Cops, not the most dangerous group on earth.

And exactly why did Hunter shoot his team? So he could get Creel? Wasn't that the goal of the mission? The fact is, the mission failed and the obelisk is loose because of Hunter's betrayal...and that doesn't matter????

Also...lets face it...Ward will rejoin the team. We aren't done with them forgiving betrayal. Ward murdered good people...he allowed dangerous weapons to be set loose...including the man who almost killed the cellist. He is personally to blame for Fitz current situation...and at some point, all of that will be wiped away and the team will let him rejoin. Well...maybe he will never rejoin...but given the history of the show, I see no reason to think that he won't. If he does, that will be a bad thing because it will expose that there is no end to SHIELD's naivete.

Why are you harping on a point from what seems like a lifetime ago on this show again? It was an ill-conceived comic moment from a far weaker period on this show...let it go. It certainly has nothing to do with the Hunter moment. He betrayed the team because as they made clear before he shot them, their focus was on following the Hydra agent, NOT stopping Creel. He was attempting to do what they didn't seem willing to do: take out Creel.

Why does it seem so hard to believe Coulson would want him? The guy showed his capacity for loyalty (even if it wasn't to SHIELD) and Coulson's explanation is more than plausible, it's understandable. SHIELD has to cling to the few assets they have left, unreliable or not.

And spare us the bit on Ward. It hasn't happened, hasn't been suggested it will happen by anything in the show (hell, he wasn't even in this episode), and if it were to happen, you have no clue as to the consequences behind it. It is just illogical hatred you're spewing at the show for no reason.

 

[DN91]

Simmons is definitely not Hydra. That'd be crazy. We already had Ward, and they wouldn't reveal that in the preview.
Anyway, has anyone else noticed that this big black guy (who's name I can't remember), would make a great Luke Cage? Man, he has the look!

Mack?

 

[Heretic]

Why are you harping on a point from what seems like a lifetime ago on this show again? It was an ill-conceived comic moment from a far weaker period on this show...let it go. It certainly has nothing to do with the Hunter moment. He betrayed the team because as they made clear before he shot them, their focus was on following the Hydra agent, NOT stopping Creel. He was attempting to do what they didn't seem willing to do: take out Creel.

Why does it seem so hard to believe Coulson would want him? The guy showed his capacity for loyalty (even if it wasn't to SHIELD) and Coulson's explanation is more than plausible, it's understandable. SHIELD has to cling to the few assets they have left, unreliable or not.

And spare us the bit on Ward. It hasn't happened, hasn't been suggested it will happen by anything in the show (hell, he wasn't even in this episode), and if it were to happen, you have no clue as to the consequences behind it. It is just illogical hatred you're spewing at the show for no reason.

I don't "hate" the show...I hate that they set a precedent and are continuing it in the most recent episode. Maybe they could have done a better job with Hunter mourning her death...because he was back to cracking jokes in no time, while betraying his team to get revenge.

And by the way...don't give me the "SHIELD has to cling to everyone they can" nonsense. They are fighting Hydra...Deathlok is fighting Hydra...they have access to Deathlok whenever they want...and yet they are not even trying to get him to come help them, when they could certainly be of help to him in return. Of all people, HE is the one who should be forgiven, since he had no choice. But Deathlok is gone because they want to hold off on him for awhile so they can bring him back triumphantly.

 

[Hulk1968]

I don't think Simmons is with HYDRA.
My guess it's just a red herring coupled with very clever editing
and to get us, as fans, talking about and waiting for the episode.

That's what I believe anyway. There's NO way she's with HYDRA.
But then again, I've been known to be wrong from time-to-time.

 

[CapLover]

I like that Coulson has removed the concept of levels from SHIELD.

Yes.

Now HE knows everything and tells everyone else only what he wants them to know, lol!

 

[metaphysician]

Great, now Coulson can take out a million people per minute around the globe.
(or they just saved some money on CGI work)

I know this is a joke, but taking it seriously for a second. . . no, he couldn't. One, he has one gun mount, not the dozens the Insight helicarriers had. Two, he doesn't have the Insight satellite network and surveillance systems to provide the targeting. The guns themselves were probably nothing special, just big guns. It was the sensor and computer systems that allowed precisely locating and targeting thousands of pinpoint targets from suborbital altitude that were special.

 

[OnTheAir]

has anyone else noticed that this big black guy (who's name I can't remember), would make a great Luke Cage? Man, he has the look!

Henry Simmons? (Alphonso "Mack" Mackenzie) It's definitely been discussed here and in other forums on SHH. When Simmons was announced for the role, some people expressed a bit of disappointment because they thought he'd be ideal for Luke Cage.

 

[Kaewin]

Yeah I've been thinking they could introduce an infinity gem on the show, but it seems doubtful since a good amount of people might have no idea where it came from when its seen in a film. But I'm also having a hard time figuring out where the last 3 stones will come into play. Doubtful in AoU and AntMan, doubtful in Thor3 since Thor2 just had one, maybe in Cap 3 somewhere but idk, I remember CherokeeSam bringing up something called the Serpent Crown that involves time travel or something. Probably one in Dr. strange, and then a final one in Guardians 2 I guess since that Soul gem always deal eith Adam Warlock. Or maybe Thanos already has one and we don't know it yet.

But yeah, the remaining stones are a big mystery and intrigue to me. Since I assume they'll play a role in Avengers 3, and probably beyond

I think the reason to put the stone on tv is to get people more into the show. If it seems that this show, and upcoming ones, have an effect on the MCU more people would watch and pay attention to them. They need small screen stuff to show up on the larger screen. It will take it back to the concept of it is still part of the same universe and not just a reaction to the movies and in the end meaning little.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Henry Simmons? (Alphonso "Mack" Mackenzie) It's definitely been discussed here and in other forums on SHH. When Simmons was announced for the role, some people expressed a bit of disappointment because they thought he'd be ideal for Luke Cage.

I think his age (41) eliminated him to play Cage in Marvel's mind. They are probably looking for someone closer to the age of Evans and Hemsworth (early 30's).

Hell, I remember him from NYPD Blue....15 years ago

 

[Heretic]

I think the reason to put the stone on tv is to get people more into the show. If it seems that this show, and upcoming ones, have an effect on the MCU more people would watch and pay attention to them. They need small screen stuff to show up on the larger screen. It will take it back to the concept of it is still part of the same universe and not just a reaction to the movies and in the end meaning little.

My friends who aren't watching the show use this exact excuse...that the show is merely reflecting the movies, but the movies aren't in any way impacted by the show.

 

[gildedmuse]

I don't "hate" the show...I hate that they set a precedent and are continuing it in the most recent episode. Maybe they could have done a better job with Hunter mourning her death...because he was back to cracking jokes in no time, while betraying his team to get revenge.

And by the way...don't give me the "SHIELD has to cling to everyone they can" nonsense. They are fighting Hydra...Deathlok is fighting Hydra...they have access to Deathlok whenever they want...and yet they are not even trying to get him to come help them, when they could certainly be of help to him in return. Of all people, HE is the one who should be forgiven, since he had no choice. But Deathlok is gone because they want to hold off on him for awhile so they can bring him back triumphantly.

As I recall, they (well, Skye) talked to Deathlok. He was invited back to SHIELD and turned it down, stating he needed to make amends for what he has done on his own. There is a big difference between trying your hardest to keep people within the agency and FORCING them. Hunter was cornered, no doubt, but he still could have said no. Deathlok did say no.

 

[Heretic]

As I recall, they (well, Skye) talked to Deathlok. He was invited back to SHIELD and turned it down, stating he needed to make amends for what he has done on his own. There is a big difference between trying your hardest to keep people within the agency and FORCING them. Hunter was cornered, no doubt, but he still could have said no. Deathlok did say no.

Deathlok's excuse exists because the writers decided they didnt want him there on a weekly basis. This is a scripted show. It sounds like an excuse, not a real reason that would come from the heart.

 

[Kaewin]

My friends who aren't watching the show use this exact excuse...that the show is merely reflecting the movies, but the movies aren't in any way impacted by the show.

And that is the part that sucks. I know many people who dropped off during the first season and after hearing about what came later are "Planning to catch up"

 

[gildedmuse]

Deathlok's excuse exists because the writers decided they didnt want him there on a weekly basis. This is a scripted show. It sounds like an excuse, not a real reason that would come from the heart.

Well, from that perspective everything that ever happened in every scripted show ever (and every comic book, film, book, just about every bit of creative writing, really) is planned and happens solely because a writer/director/someone decides what should and shouldn't happen. I mean, yes, that is how stories are technically shaped.

But I thought you meant "in world" as it were, in which case I was just pointing out, well, there is a reason that Coulson didn't track down Deathlok and yet offered Hunter a second chance with SHIELD. It's because he extended Deathlok the same opportunity, but was turned down. If anything, asking the zombie robot you know can be controlled by Hydra to join your team after his past attempts to murder you came up short provides context for later (in a more desperate time) asking a man who, yes, used the team's mission as a cover in order to try and get revenge on Creel but also didn't turn over Coulson for his freedom and tons of cash AND never actually killed or tried to kill any of his fellow agents. However, while Deathlok - who would have to stay hidden from the vast majority of the public either way - feels that becoming part of the samish secret spy games that just turned him into a zombie-killer-robot may not be the best way to make amends, Hunter was ina very different position. He could live a normal life, but with Talbot and the whole government fiasco that is unlikely to happen now. So it's either stay on the run looking for what mercenary work he can while always having to stay vigilant about being caught OR team up with SHIELD and at least have constant employment and someone else looking out for his tail.

Both men were asked to join SHIELD because Coulson is both desperate and exactly the sort of character who gives people a second chance to prove their heroic nature. Deathlok was in a position where either way would have ended about the same, really, so the choice was entirely his to make. Hunter was a bit more cornered. I would say that both character's decisions made perfect sense within the narrative, as did Coulson's invites.

 

[Heretic]

Yet if Deathlok were on the team, you'd all be saying that it makes perfect sense. If Coulson had told Hunter "we aren't starting the new SHIELD by inviting in traitors" then....well...people want the crippled mute guy with a minute of screen time to return, so odds are they'd complain and want Hunter on the team...but it would have fit Coulson's new persona well.

 

[cph9fa]

Just watched it. Today's favorite lines that made me LOL, then rewind to write down:

"That's the problem these days: everyone needs answers immediately. No one has any patience anymore." -- obviously directed at the audience.

"You don't have enough manpower or artillery to take down a convenience store." -- A feat that we know Coulson is capable of doing single-handedly.