Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 12 "Seeds" Discussion Thread

[Vartha]

After rewatching the ep I'm sticking with my Inhuman theory for now.

Now this is no more valid that the 'Let Me Die' line meaning Coulson is an LMD*, but when Coulson is telling May about Skye's reaction to the news he says "I'm telling her something that could destroy her faith in humanity.." The books launched a new a title called 'Inhumanity' (dealing with the fallout all the new Inhumans across the world), plus there was Clark gregg's 'inhuman' tweet last week as well. So for the moment, thats' my best guess on why she'd be considered an 'object of unknown origin'.

*Like the LMD line, this could be just co-incidence, a deliberate red herring, or a genuine clue. I'm just guessing.

technically Jessica Drew isn't really HUMAN as we are. High Evolutionary made her
Just teasin' bud. lol There are SO many possibilities with her right now

 

[Vartha]

OMG

I lol'd until I cried

Welcome aboard! yeah we can be pretty funny at times. You should have been here when she wore that tight red dress and got soaked lol

 

[wobbly]

technically Jessica Drew isn't really HUMAN as we are. High Evolutionary made her
Just teasin' bud. lol There are SO many possibilities with her right now

The High Evolutionary and his 'Doctor Moreau' Mount Wundagore would be interesting. They might even use him to explain Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witches powers (they were born there) since they can't call them mutants in Avengers AOU. Not sure how baby Drew would have wound up in a village in China from there though (Wundagore is in the Balkans, Attilan was in the Himalayas, a wee bit closer)

But anyone's guess is as good as another's at the moment.

 

[Vartha]

The High Evolutionary and his 'Doctor Moreau' Mount Wundagore would be interesting. They might even use him to explain Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witches powers (they were born there) since they can't call them mutants in Avengers AOU. Not sure how baby Drew would have wound up in a village in China from there though (Wundagore is in the Balkans, Attilan was in the Himalayas, a wee bit closer)

But anyone's guess is as good as another's at the moment.

That's what I'm thinking too. I mean it would fit into a AoS show EASILY, not to mention introduce some folks to where Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch got THEIR powers before AoU

 

[Hypestyle]

Is Skye like "Dawn" from Buffy; mysterious origin, and people just accept her presence uncritically?

 

[wobbly]

Is Skye like "Dawn" from Buffy; mysterious origin, and people just accept her presence uncritically?

Not at all. Dawn was created entirely by magic from a mystical 'key' to a hell dimension, and her entire 'life' was implanted by that spell into the past memories of those who would know her (immediate 'family' and friends etc). So no character in the show had any reason to question she was anything but Buffy's real sister until Glory came looking for her (from their perspective she'd always been around). Of course at the end of the episode where she was first revealed I would imagine fans of the show, were (like me) saying 'wtf?' They didn't take too long to reveal just how this previously non-existent sister had suddenly appeared though.

Up until this last episode of AOS all anyone knew was the same as Skye herself: She'd been raised in foster homes, great computer skills, that was about it. Now that Coulson, May & Skye know a lot (if not all) of the truth they have to be careful how they handle it as they don't want the same people who came after her as a baby returning for the adult Skye (who is currently off their radar thanks to the efforts of the lady agent who died to save her).

I would imagine them catching up with her will be a plot point is future episodes.

 

[Vartha]

After rewatching the ep I'm sticking with my Inhuman theory for now.

Now this is no more valid that the 'Let Me Die' line meaning Coulson is an LMD*, but when Coulson is telling May about Skye's reaction to the news he says "I'm telling her something that could destroy her faith in humanity.." The books launched a new a title called 'Inhumanity' (dealing with the fallout all the new Inhumans across the world), plus there was Clark gregg's 'inhuman' tweet last week as well. So for the moment, thats' my best guess on why she'd be considered an 'object of unknown origin'.

*Like the LMD line, this could be just co-incidence, a deliberate red herring, or a genuine clue. I'm just guessing.

I'm going to rewatch it tonite at home. lol

 

[Vartha]

Not at all. Dawn was created entirely by magic from a mystical 'key' to a hell dimension, and her entire 'life' was implanted by that spell into the past memories of those who would know her (immediate 'family' and friends etc). So no character in the show had any reason to question she was anything but Buffy's real sister until Glory came looking for her (from their perspective she'd always been around). Of course at the end of the episode where she was first revealed I would imagine fans of the show, were (like me) saying 'wtf?' They didn't take too long to reveal just how this previously non-existent sister had suddenly appeared though.

Up until this last episode of AOS all anyone knew was the same as Skye herself: She'd been raised in foster homes, great computer skills, that was about it. Now that Coulson, May & Skye know a lot (if not all) of the truth they have to be careful how they handle it as they don't want the same people who came after her as a baby returning for the adult Skye (who is currently off their radar thanks to the efforts of the lady agent who died to save her).

I would imagine them catching up with her will be a plot point is future episodes.

Wasn't Collosus' sis more like Dawn?

 

[wobbly]

Wasn't Collosus' sis more like Dawn?

Not really. Illyana was always his real sister. She was abducted by Belasco and taken to limbo when she 6, spent several years there getting seriously messed up by magic, and returned to the real world not long after the X-Men had failed to rescue her (so she'd gone from being just 6 to a demonic teenager from Piotr's perspective).

Illyana is a lot closer to Angels son, Connor (was swiped as a baby, spent his childhood in a hell dimension, and returned all grown up not long after he'd been taken)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

This whole thing with ABC forcing people to wait a week before accessing the episode online baffles me. It's like they don't want people to watch their show. And Charter is listed under the providers but it won't give me access. Ugh. So until I replace my DVR I must resort to less savory methods.

Not much to say about the opening since I already saw it a week ago. I would like one of those Shield bathrobes however.

Nice minutiae on the Academy's structure. It is revealed that there is a rivalry between Operations (aka the jocks, where Ward trained and the one with the highest washout rate) and Science & Tech (the hardest to get into, even the ubernice Simmons has a slight air of superiority at this). The largest is Communications (also the easiest to get into..."that's where you'll be, Skye" - ouch)

Everybody's worried about Coulson, except Ward who says he just needs time. As long as he doesn't start wearing emo hair and painting his fingernails black I suspect he'll be alright.

The SSR gets namedropped as Ward sneers at the soft flabby nerds on display while Fitz mocks him in return. We meet Agent Weaver and learn that FitzSimmons are apparently some kind of alphadweeb rock stars at SciTech.

"Bucky Barnes." I wish we'd get a closer look at the Wall.

Back on the Bus Coulson is beginning to obsess over his file. He's not sure he can believe the contents, despite apparently getting access to it after asking Fury himself. May realizes he's doing himself no favors and tells him so.

To help take Coulson's mind off his own troubles, Mayhas been secretly following up on Skye's past. This has led them to Mexico City in search of the former partner of the dead SHIELD Agent in Skye's file. Aha! Answers at last!

Despite the little robots and miracle cures we've already seen it hasn't quite clicked for me until now just how brilliant FitzSimmons are supposed to be. SHIELD Academy's youngest graduates is quite impressive. Now I'm wondering how they stack up to guys like Stark and Banner. They're getting a good showing this episode.

Also lol @ Leopold. But 'Leopold Fitz' does sound very sciency to me. So there's that.

So maybe Centipede is an entirely different organization and not related to Hydra or AIM as we all assumed?

Pretty much everyone (including us) is introduced to Donnie Gill all at once, as he begins spontaneously freezing during FitzSimmons talk. Just prior to this Ward learns that Donnie is an outsider, having difficulty communicating with "anyone below a 170 IQ"

FitzSimmons to the rescue! A round of applause from everyone as they quickly take action and apparently save the boy's life. Everyone, that is, except the girl from the pool, who is just standing in the crowd looking decidedly unthrilled. Is she suspicious of Donnie, or should we be suspicious of her? Should we be suspicious of Donnie? It is a mystery!

I do like that this is seemingly tech-based, and not from a mutant Inhuman source as has been suggested. I'm not saying we'll see Blizzard in a costume someday, but maybe we'll see Blizzard in a costume someday.

Ian Quinn, Professional Devious Bastard. What are you up to?

Ward theorizes that getting Donnie to drop out might be the actual reason behind these attacks and given that we just saw Quinn and knowing his penchant for dealing in superscience it sounds plausible. Perhaps I was too hasty in my own suspicion of Donnie (or more likely assuming too much based on his comic book counterpart)

"You'll be jealous wrinkly hags."

"It's strategic." "It's adorable." I this bit. Ward is cool.

I'm not sure I can believe that a fully functional dance club hidden in the boiler room is something that can escape the faculty's notice for very long but it's still pretty sweet. Ward is impressed; Operations didn't have one.

"These aren't my big ideas."

Another good scene with Coulson and May. And the shoe drops at the end regarding her and Ward but I guess we'll have to wait as Coulson spots their man.

Not much of a chase, but the fight was decent. if you can call it a fight; May pretty much hands this guy his ass right up until the end. Then Lola with the save!

Ok I'm not sure where they're going with Skye's background but I'm onboard. This just got very, very interesting.

But seriously it's

Ah, the situation is becoming clear now that the crew has drawn me a map. Look out, Fitz! Eh, too late. NVM. You think the hidden lab in the kids dorm room would have sent up a warning flag but no.

Quinn's a real toolshed. But he's not an idiot. Unlike Seth, who hasn't completely thought his cunning plan all the way through and in the end pays for his hubris. Donnie is clearly upset and sent to the Sandbox so he can be monitored.

Coulson isn't fazed by May's revelation, as I knew he wouldn't be. He trusts her to keep things professional. He's also impressed with Skye for how she handles the news about her past. She's tough.

Argh! Donnie, you little rat. Not sure what to make of this though, are we to assume that he got powers from the lightning strike? Whatever, he's totally getting a costume.

Aaaand another mention of the Clairvoyant, this time from Quinn. The plot thickens! And that's a wrap. Whew.

***

VERDICT - 4/5 stars. Another really good episode. That's a few in a row now so I really feel like everything is really coming together. Everybody in the cast had a good showing, although FitzSimmons were the standouts I think. I like the kid that played Donnie too. Wouldn't mind seeing him again, and something tells me we will.

Very intrigued by Skye's story. I'm looking forward to advancing that plotline even more than Coulson's at the mo. And I'm really glad they aren't going to drag out either one of them being in a depressed funk for weeks on end.

If you read all this babble you might be crazy but I appreciate it all the same.

 

[Xeno]

You seriously didn't get that Fitzsimmons are just below the Science Bros in terms of brilliance? I thought that was evident from the first episode, when they figured out how to cure Mike Peterson in about ten minutes. Fitz with his bots for all occasions, Simmons with her mastery of all things biological (plus a handy medical degree and no bedside manner) are all kinds of awesome. They're useful and cute, which is why I love them.

It would be fun for FitzSimmons to meet Stark & Banner because they would explode in a geekgasm that would put all the nerds at ComicCon to shame. And Simmons would drool all over Tony while he smiled at her just to see how fast he could make her panties drop. I'd pay good money to see that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nah I just never really thought to compare them. There are a lot of elements of this show that I wasn't taking very seriously until recently and that was one of them.

Like, it's one thing to say that FitzSimmons are brilliant because they homebrew tiny robots, and another to show how legendary they are at their old hangout and how much their peers fawn over them.

I dunno. I felt the personal touch was a lot more effective than just inventing super cures and such. It didn't help that they weren't very fleshed out for many episodes either.

 

[misjuevos]

just saw the episode. guess it was mentioned already. i thought skye could be inhuman or alien. still they also mentioned shield manipulates people. the guy telling the story about finding skye could just be lying.

 

[Xeno]

just saw the episode. guess it was mentioned already. i thought skye could be inhuman or alien. still they also mentioned shield manipulates people. the guy telling the story about finding skye could just be lying.

According to May, the rogue agent had been on the run, off the grid and away from SHIELD for 23 years. That would have been a very deep cover assignment if he was still working for SHIELD during all those years in the virtual wilderness.


At this point it hasn't been confirmed that the 0-8-4 had powers. The agents just assumed that. It could have been something around or with her that did since she never manifested them when anyone was near (or survived).

 

[Silvermoon]

I'm not sure I can believe that a fully functional dance club hidden in the boiler room is something that can escape the faculty's notice for very long but it's still pretty sweet. Ward is impressed; Operations didn't have one.

Simmons said that it was back in the 60's that students started sneaking off to the boiler room (to play cards, exchange ideas) and that the use of the boiler room 'evolved' from there over the years. I imagine the current faculty knows about it because chances are they probably used it when they were students. So it's probably one of those 'known' secrets and given that Simmons also says that some of the Academy's best ideas have come out of using the boiler room as a place to gather/relax, the Academy lets it be so long as trouble isn't started in there.

If that makes sense, and just the way I see it.

 

[Vartha]

Not really. Illyana was always his real sister. She was abducted by Belasco and taken to limbo when she 6, spent several years there getting seriously messed up by magic, and returned to the real world not long after the X-Men had failed to rescue her (so she'd gone from being just 6 to a demonic teenager from Piotr's perspective).

Illyana is a lot closer to Angels son, Connor (was swiped as a baby, spent his childhood in a hell dimension, and returned all grown up not long after he'd been taken)

Gotcha. For some reason I thought she was created by Belasco

 

[Vartha]

just saw the episode. guess it was mentioned already. i thought skye could be inhuman or alien. still they also mentioned shield manipulates people. the guy telling the story about finding skye could just be lying.

I just watched it again lastnight and I can't stand by that idea just yet.
They said her parents were killed, TWICE they said, or suggested, Skye herself was the 0-8-4, once saying she displayed powers at some point.
I still think she can also be a child of Wundagor, yet what kind of powers would someone kill an entire village and a squad of SHIELD agents for?



I want a close up of the Wall of Valor dangit!!!

 

[Endeavor]

Something occurred to me this morning. What if the episode title is another clue about Sky, aside from the obvious. The 2nd episode title was, so maybe this one is too?
I haven't remembered anything relevant in Marvel history regarding Seeds or Seeding, maybe one of you guys remembers something?
Might be nothing, just sharing.

 

[Vartha]

I was thinking about that too Endeavor BUT they do say in the episode "Bad Seeds" and the origin of Blizzard could be the planted seed of a future bad guy.

 

[wobbly]

Something occurred to me this morning. What if the episode title is another clue about Sky, aside from the obvious. The 2nd episode title was, so maybe this one is too?
I haven't remembered anything relevant in Marvel history regarding Seeds or Seeding, maybe one of you guys remembers something?
Might be nothing, just sharing.

Well, the guy who becomes Blizzard noted how'd they'd 'seeded' the clouds above with ice when the storm kicked off. The title though I think was referring in general to the 'seeds' of giving Blizzard his origin, and revealing a lot more of Skye's too, and her revelation that Shield was now her family in a roundabout way. Both are plot points I would think they are gonna come back to sooner or later.

 

[Endeavor]

Well that's what I meant about the obvious meaning of Seeds in the title. Yeah there were a lot of plot Seeds planted. But maybe there's something more to it?
Just like in ep2 084 was about the Hydra device, but it was also about Skye.

 

[hopeless]

I just watched it again lastnight and I can't stand by that idea just yet.
They said her parents were killed, TWICE they said, or suggested, Skye herself was the 0-8-4, once saying she displayed powers at some point.
I still think she can also be a child of Wundagor, yet what kind of powers would someone kill an entire village and a squad of SHIELD agents for?

I want a close up of the Wall of Valor dangit!!!

1) Until I see this episode can any of you confirm whether or not the village was killed defending Skye or her mother from either some undisclosed enemy or because the SHIELD Agents refused to stand down and were ultimately responsible because their backups may have arrived and completely misunderstood what had happened leaving only one survivor... Skye?

2) So someone killed Skye's foster parents?
That either suggests someone is watching over her or they're after someone else and need Skye left alive to try and draw them out...

3) It could be coincedence that Skye's foster parents suffer from a particularly awful bad luck... reminds me of Longshot or perhaps the Black Cat works better at one stage since she did have probability manipulation... heck Mr Peterson's luck went as bad as you can get and still be alive after all!

4) Those that have seen the last two episodes did it look like Skye had some remarkable bouts of luck accomplishing her tasks such as finding Coulson, rescuing him even though the place ought to have been heavily protected... I saw a clip on you tube where she gave Raina a black eye!

Hmm... how do SHIELD suppress the abilities of a powered individual?

Scorch certainly didn't have some kind of power negator, how will Blizzard cope?

Anyway back to the episode discussion!

 

[Vartha]

@ Endeavor Could be. I just think there were a heck of a lot of seeds at the school too tho lol

 

[Vartha]

1) Until I see this episode can any of you confirm whether or not the village was killed defending Skye or her mother from either some undisclosed enemy or because the SHIELD Agents refused to stand down and were ultimately responsible because their backups may have arrived and completely misunderstood what had happened leaving only one survivor... Skye?

2) So someone killed Skye's foster parents?
That either suggests someone is watching over her or they're after someone else and need Skye left alive to try and draw them out...

3) It could be coincedence that Skye's foster parents suffer from a particularly awful bad luck... reminds me of Longshot or perhaps the Black Cat works better at one stage since she did have probability manipulation... heck Mr Peterson's luck went as bad as you can get and still be alive after all!

4) Those that have seen the last two episodes did it look like Skye had some remarkable bouts of luck accomplishing her tasks such as finding Coulson, rescuing him even though the place ought to have been heavily protected... I saw a clip on you tube where she gave Raina a black eye!

Hmm... how do SHIELD suppress the abilities of a powered individual?

Scorch certainly didn't have some kind of power negator, how will Blizzard cope?

Anyway back to the episode discussion!

No, they did say her real parents were killed. She didn't have Foster Parents until AFTER she was rescued by SHIELD.
I actually need to SEE the Rescue too like many others here.

EDIT: it still brings up the question, "What kind of powers does Skye possess that someone would go to such great lengths to get to her?" the probability powers just don't seem to be something to kill a whole village over

 

[Vartha]

I wish we'd get some kind of AoS soundtrack