Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 12 "Seeds" Discussion Thread

[Silvermoon]

I just took it to mean that the got some kind of weird energy signature and didn't know it came from a person until they got there and checked it out.

That's kind of what I was thinking as well. I just kind of figure that if they get a reading or a report of something unknown, they'll term it an 084 and send someone in to confirm it. At that point, it can either be confirmed and stay classified as an 084 (Mjolnir or the tesseract weapon from ep2) or they'll reclassify/give it another designation once a team actually gets a look at it. From what it sounds like, things hit the fan before the team sent in could verify that the 084 was indeed an 084. Just my opinion thought





...... and I have no idea if that made sense, feel free to ignore me if it didn't (or if I'm mis-remembering something from last nights episode)

 

[The Question]

Also, guys, Skye might not be a specific character from the comics, but she might have some connection to a concept from the comics. Like the Eternals or the Celestials or something.

 

[Endeavor]

Yeah we've been discussing those possibilities too. Not the Celestials per se, just that she might be a link to a Marvel race or the key to some Marvel McGuffin.

 

[cph9fa]

That's kind of what I was thinking as well. I just kind of figure that if they get a reading or a report of something unknown, they'll term it an 084 and send someone in to confirm it. At that point, it can either be confirmed and stay classified as an 084 (Mjolnir or the tesseract weapon from ep2) or they'll reclassify/give it another designation once a team actually gets a look at it. From what it sounds like, things hit the fan before the team sent in could verify that the 084 was indeed an 084. Just my opinion thought

...... and I have no idea if that made sense, feel free to ignore me if it didn't (or if I'm mis-remembering something from last nights episode)

From what I recall, the agent seemed pretty certain that the baby was the 0-8-4, even though they didn't actually see the powers. And someone definitely wants her dead. But it does sound like they never got a chance to... er... investigate her, and hence had to set up the series of rotating foster homes.

I'm kinda annoyed that the audio faded when Coulson was explaining it all to Skye. Was that done because we'd already heard everything firsthand (thus resaying it would be boring), or was there more that Coulson learned that we didn't get to see/hear.

 

[Silvermoon]

I'm kinda annoyed that the audio faded when Coulson was explaining it all to Skye. Was that done because we'd already heard everything firsthand (thus resaying it would be boring), or was there more that Coulson learned that we didn't get to see/hear.

I think it was done because we'd already heard everything firsthand.

 

[Vartha]

I gotta watch the last two episodes a few times lol

 

[Endeavor]

...... and I have no idea if that made sense, feel free to ignore me if it didn't (or if I'm mis-remembering something from last nights episode)

made total sense

 

[Xeno]

I'm calling it right now: Skye is Fin Fang Foom.

All the signs are there. She was found in a Chinese village that got wiped out after her arrival, nobody knows where she came from and she's an unknown object. That adds up to ancient space dragon in human form. That is Fin's origin in a nutshell, people. You know I'm right.

 

[Vartha]

hahahaha

I'm calling it right now: Skye is Fin Fang Foom.

All the signs are there. She was found in a Chinese village that got wiped out after her arrival, nobody knows where she came from and she's an unknown object. That adds up to ancient space dragon in human form. That is Fin's origin in a nutshell, people. You know I'm right.

 

[Endeavor]

lol

other than too much Skye for your taste, how did you like the episode xeno?

 

[cph9fa]

lol.

I will be disappointed if they just use Hunan province, China, as a stand-in for Madripoor. Madripoor seems like the perfect place to take our team at some point.

 

[Vartha]

..... so what you're saying is she could be related to Tommy Chong?

I'm calling it right now: Skye is Fin Fang Foom.

All the signs are there. She was found in a Chinese village that got wiped out after her arrival, nobody knows where she came from and she's an unknown object. That adds up to ancient space dragon in human form. That is Fin's origin in a nutshell, people. You know I'm right.

 

[Xeno]

lol

other than too much Skye for your taste, how did you like the episode xeno?

Why do people think I'm joking? I've loved Fin Fang Foom ever since I was 8 years old. Making Skye Fin's human alter ego instantly turns her into one of my favorite characters.


This was a good episode. Thinking back on the last one, only the parts of the episode dealing with Coulson in captivity were really well-written and acted, which caused me to inflate my grade for it. Last night the writing was better all around, though still clunky in places. Coulson & May's scenes were the best simply because Gregg & Na are the best actors on the show. Skye was whiny and self-pitying, but that's her usual "poor, poor pitiful me" mode. And once again they had Coulson give a speech about how wonderful she is, which seems to happen every other episode. There was a bit more about Fitz & Simmons' backgrounds, which was good, though the character moments always feel like obvious "Character Moments." The episode still had that antiseptic procedural air to it, though. Freak-of-the-Week can only go so far before it becomes too boring and predictable.


The funniest moment was when May announced, "I've been having sex with Ward," only to have Coulson jump right into action and leave her hanging. At the end I got the impression that he knew already and didn't care, as long as they kept it professional. When the children find out, will they start calling May & Ward "mom & dad?"


Best part of the Skye revelation: That neither Coulson nor May are related to her. Worst part: We really learned nothing of value. It was just like the Coulson reveal in that no major information was disclosed. The writers used both of the promised "answers" for emotionally-manipulative moments instead of to advance the plot. That may be for the best since whatever they come up with won't be anywhere near as interesting as our speculation is.


The stinger was great. At last The Clairvoyant actually pulled off a surprise. It was a bit stupid for Coulson to call Quinn and tip his hand like that, though. Telling the bad guy that SHIELD is out to kill him just ensures that he'll fly under the radar from now on.

 

[cph9fa]

The stinger was great. At last The Clairvoyant actually pulled off a surprise. It was a bit stupid for Coulson to call Quinn and tip his hand like that, though. Telling the bad guy that SHIELD is out to kill him just ensures that he'll fly under the radar from now on.

Hey, this is the world's premiere Espionage agency, who brands everything from cars and water bottles to pool tables and sneaky Rumba-bombs. I think they know what they're doing.

But yeah, finding out that Quinn is in with the Clairvoyant was a pretty tasty morsel.

Speaking of flying under the radar, I thought it was pretty interesting to hear them mention "SHIELD-allied nations". Confirms that even though they have strong US-based roots in the SSR, they are a multinational/intergovernmental agency, maybe like a NATO treaty type thing.

 

[Eddie]

I'm calling it right now: Skye is Fin Fang Foom.

All the signs are there. She was found in a Chinese village that got wiped out after her arrival, nobody knows where she came from and she's an unknown object. That adds up to ancient space dragon in human form. That is Fin's origin in a nutshell, people. You know I'm right.

And she wears purple! IT ALL ADDS UP! IT ALL ADDS UP!!!

 

[Shakel92]

I'm calling it right now: Skye is Fin Fang Foom.

All the signs are there. She was found in a Chinese village that got wiped out after her arrival, nobody knows where she came from and she's an unknown object. That adds up to ancient space dragon in human form. That is Fin's origin in a nutshell, people. You know I'm right.

OMG

I lol'd until I cried

 

[Xeno]

Hey, this is the world's premiere Espionage agency, who brands everything from cars and water bottles to pool tables and sneaky Rumba-bombs. I think they know what they're doing.

But yeah, finding out that Quinn is in with the Clairvoyant was a pretty tasty morsel.

Speaking of flying under the radar, I thought it was pretty interesting to hear them mention "SHIELD-allied nations". Confirms that even though they have strong US-based roots in the SSR, they are a multinational/intergovernmental agency, maybe like a NATO treaty type thing.

Little SHIELD is disappointingly silly, sometimes.

SHIELD's multinational nature has been affirmed before, both in the series and in the films. In the third episode, Coulson told the group that Malta isn't a SHIELD affiliated nation, so they had to go in covertly because they would have been in violation of Maltese law otherwise.

And she wears purple! IT ALL ADDS UP! IT ALL ADDS UP!!!

Spoiler

At last! Somebody gets it. See the resemblance?

 

[cph9fa]

SHIELD's multinational nature has been affirmed before, both in the series and in the films. In the third episode, Coulson told the group that Malta isn't a SHIELD affiliated nation, so they had to go in covertly because they would have been in violation of Maltese law otherwise.

Yeah, I remember that (and of course, there's the WSC from the Avengers). I guess what I'm thinking is, if Quinn can no longer fly over SHIELD-allied countries, there must still be a fair number of non-allied countries. So it's not like a worldwide UN thing, but something of smaller-scale, (which is why I mentioned NATO).

Probably includes US, Canada, Mexico, UK, China, most of Europe (at least Western), probably Russia. Not sure about Belarus or Peru. Obviously not Malta. Probably not Afghanistan (based on the IM opening), or whatever former-Soviet state Ward & Fitz infiltrated in The Hub.

 

[Xeno]

Yeah, I remember that (and of course, there's the WSC from the Avengers). I guess what I'm thinking is, if Quinn can no longer fly over SHIELD-allied countries, there must still be a fair number of non-allied countries. So it's not like a worldwide UN thing, but something of smaller-scale, (which is why I mentioned NATO).

Probably includes US, Canada, Mexico, UK, China, most of Europe (at least Western), probably Russia. Not sure about Belarus or Peru. Obviously not Malta. Probably not Afghanistan (based on the IM opening), or whatever former-Soviet state Ward & Fitz infiltrated in The Hub.

SHIELD operated openly in both Belarus and Peru so both must be affiliated. Afghanistan is/was under US military control and is our ally (of sorts). Warlords and insurgents control a lot of Afghanistan even now, which is why the US and its allies keep troops there to prop up the government. The omnipresent insurgents were the ones controlled by the Ten Rings.

 

[Silvermoon]

One of my favorite moments from last night's episode (gifs found at http://princebucky.tumblr.com/post/73376817126/a-memorial-to-the-agents-lost-in-the-line-of-duty)

 

[Endeavor]

Why do people think I'm joking? I've loved Fin Fang Foom ever since I was 8 years old. Making Skye Fin's human alter ego instantly turns her into one of my favorite characters.
...

Glad you liked it over all.

Surprised the FFF was a genuine suggestion. It's certainly a different and out there one. I'd accept it if it turns out to be the case. But I don't want her to morph into a gigantic dragon, it would have to be something way toned down.

 

[Human Torch]

To me, this episode hit the right tone. Not too light, but not too boring and serious. Characters didn't act too stupidly. I don't have an opinion on Skye one way or another, but I can see how this episode would irk the haters as it pushes the "She's so special" angle. It was an improvement from last week in that other characters didn't have to act stupidly in order to make her look smarter. Although, I saw the "they attacked themselves to throw people off" plot a mile away.

And I admit, I didn't love Ward in the beginning of the series, but he's grown on me. But it is interesting that SHIELD is basically Hogwarts. Is it a goof though that Bucky is on the SHIELD wall? He died before SHIELD was started correct?

As much as the haters don't want to admit it,for all intents,she is the star of the show.Coulson is the lead star,but the show is as much about Skye's story as his.She's not going anywhere.

 

[Shikamaru]

When Coulson said "Skye's story ends here", my thought was "Wow, the Skye haters are gonna rejoice!" Then he says "But she said her story is just beginning" and I'm like "Wow, never mind".

 

[cph9fa]

Hahaha!

 

[wobbly]

After rewatching the ep I'm sticking with my Inhuman theory for now.

Now this is no more valid that the 'Let Me Die' line meaning Coulson is an LMD*, but when Coulson is telling May about Skye's reaction to the news he says "I'm telling her something that could destroy her faith in humanity.." The books launched a new a title called 'Inhumanity' (dealing with the fallout all the new Inhumans across the world), plus there was Clark gregg's 'inhuman' tweet last week as well. So for the moment, thats' my best guess on why she'd be considered an 'object of unknown origin'.

*Like the LMD line, this could be just co-incidence, a deliberate red herring, or a genuine clue. I'm just guessing.