Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 12 "Seeds" Discussion Thread

[SV Fan]

Skye might turn out just like Willow, a character from another one of Whedon's shows. Gifted with computers and later on develops "powers". Willow eventually turned into a powerful witch.

For the love of god no, I hated the witch storyline on Buffy

 

[Loki882]

It made Willow into a more interesting and multi-faceted character, so I loved it.

 

[Human Torch]

Kinda interesting when Coulson stopped Simmons from trying to revive Seth one last time....

Seemed as if he was trying to say "Let him go.He's in a better place now"t:

 

[Human Torch]

So is Stan for sure going to be in the next episode? I missed tonight's episode and the preview so I'm just barely catching up.

Yep,Stan was in the preview for next episode.

 

[cherokeesam]

Skye's backstory has so little in common with Carol Danvers that I sincerely doubt it's her.

Danvers doesn't even fit the "Skye is an alien" theory, because Danvers isn't an alien.

I know it doesn't fit Carol Danvers. But Coulson's backstory doesn't remotely fit Mar-Vell either, or even Walter Lawson; yet it's still a popular theory that gains ground for the space alien easter eggs salted in Ep. 11. Meaning, *if* they radically alter Mar-Vell's story so dramatically to fit Coulson, then nothing would prevent them from also completely changing Carol Danvers' backstory.

It's a shot in the dark, and not one that I'm particularly fond of, if they *are* shooting for that. I'm just plugging it into a popular Coulson as Mar-Vell theory. Personally, given AOS' track record, I am almost 100% certain that Coulson and Skye will still be original characters. I'm also almost 100% certain that they're of alien origin.

 

[Silvermoon]

Loved the episode, squeed a bit at Skye noticing Bucky's name on the plaque. Loved May and Coulson going off on a little mission of their own in May's effort to get Coulson's mind off of dwelling on the onslaught of information. Loved the stuff at the Academy

Uh, so is that a retroactive membership in SHIELD, since Bucky was, well, simply an army commando at the time of his "death/disappearance" (yeah, we know what's coming)..

I wouldn't say he was *simply* an army commando. After being rescued by Cap he became part of the S.S.R. (which, as indicated in this episode even, was the precursor to/what eventually became SHIELD) - I imagine ANYONE that was part of the S.S.R. that died in the line of duty during WWII was (retroactively) considered also a member of SHIELD and memorialized appropriately (so, for example, I would imagine that Erskine's name is up on that wall as well). In fact, as I look at the end of the episode (when Skye starts to walk by the wall again) - it looks like the majority of the 'icons' at the beginning of the list of names are the S.S.R. logo (as opposed to the SHIELD logo)

 

[Endeavor]

With her 'origin' now revealed (she's an 'Object of Unknown Origin' ,referring to alien artifacts when the term '084' was first introduced)) I think its possible she's an Inhuman, but without the terrigen mists (or some new catalyst the show might come up with) she does not directly manifest powers.

This would fit in somewhat with this reveal: The Inhumans city of Attilan was first found by the FF in the Himalayas (in Tibet if memory serves). Maybe her parents are or were descendent from them?

Edit: Just to add, the books have recently revealed the Inhumans had spread beyond Attilan down the ages as well, intergrating into human tribes and so on, and descendents from them carrying the Kree engineered gene are now manifesting powers after Maximus & Black Bolt blew up Attilan and released the mists globally.

Good one.
I like the pre-mutation Inhuman angle better than alien.
But then either they have to come up with an explanation to why she's not in bad health... Or maybe the MCU Inhumans won't have that problem. I hope they do, I want them to have an achilles heel.

 

[Endeavor]

It made Willow into a more interesting and multi-faceted character, so I loved it.

Agreed, especially when she became Wicca-Dark Phoenix

 

[samsnee]

To me, this episode hit the right tone. Not too light, but not too boring and serious. Characters didn't act too stupidly. I don't have an opinion on Skye one way or another, but I can see how this episode would irk the haters as it pushes the "She's so special" angle. It was an improvement from last week in that other characters didn't have to act stupidly in order to make her look smarter. Although, I saw the "they attacked themselves to throw people off" plot a mile away.

And I admit, I didn't love Ward in the beginning of the series, but he's grown on me. But it is interesting that SHIELD is basically Hogwarts. Is it a goof though that Bucky is on the SHIELD wall? He died before SHIELD was started correct?

 

[Silvermoon]

Is it a goof though that Bucky is on the SHIELD wall? He died before SHIELD was started correct?

I just mentioned this earlier, it's not a goof. After being rescued by Cap in The First Avenger, Bucky (and the other guys that would become known as the Howling Commandos) joined the SSR to serve under Steve. The SSR was the precursor/eventually morphed into SHIELD after WWII was over - so anyone that died in the line of duty while with the SSR in WWII would (retroactively) also be considered a part of SHIELD, and memorialized as such. (if you look at the first four rows of that first 1/3 of the wall, you'll see that the logos are not SHIELD logos but are, instead, the logo of the SSR - I imagine Erskine's name is up there as well)

 

[Vartha]

So Skye's an alien. 084.
Who saw *that* coming.....?


Oh, wait. That was me, all along.
Where ya at now, haters....?

an 0-8-4 doesn't make her an ALIEN tho Cherokee. It made her an UNKNOWN object.
Sort of like a U.F.O. not always is a space ship from another world, just that the flying object is unidentified.

 

[Vartha]

I hope we get a close-up of that wall sooner or later

I just mentioned this earlier, it's not a goof. After being rescued by Cap in The First Avenger, Bucky (and the other guys that would become known as the Howling Commandos) joined the SSR to serve under Steve. The SSR was the precursor/eventually morphed into SHIELD after WWII was over - so anyone that died in the line of duty while with the SSR in WWII would (retroactively) also be considered a part of SHIELD, and memorialized as such. (if you look at the first four rows of that first 1/3 of the wall, you'll see that the logos are not SHIELD logos but are, instead, the logo of the SSR - I imagine Erskine's name is up there as well)

 

[hopeless]

Just a thought but I won't be seeing this episode for a while and whats been said has got me wondering.

What was the name of the celestial Madonna in Marvel?

Well some of the comments about the people sacrificing themselves to save Skye left me wondering what was so special about her and then I thought with the Guardians movie coming up and the suggestions about an alien link to Skye it left me wondering about Warlock and Mantis... there was a female version of Warlock wasn't there?

I think that character is part of the Fantastic Four list but I was wondering if there was anything else Coulson revealed on screen about Skye's past?

 

[Vartha]

I'm still sticking with my Sky=Jessica Drew theory, this episode did nothing to change my mind on that.

Me too, with Peitro and Wanda appearing in AoU, Wundagor is bound to pop up some where in some fashion, not to mention we DID have a hint at High Evolutionary from Joss when he was talking about AoU

 

[cph9fa]

A couple of thoughts...

Coulson: "REVEAL ALL THE SECRETS!!!"

*During the storm*
Ward: I can get there [to the device].
*opens door*
Ward: Yeah, I can't get there...


As others have pointed out, memorializing SSR agents as "pre-SHIELD" makes perfect sense.

Skye's knowledge of Bucky & SSR shouldn't be construed as anything overly special, as she's essentially a big superhero fan, and has done tons of research into SHIELD already. Bucky may not be a household name, but you'd certainly hear about him in an WWII SSR documentary. Or, say, a certain historical exhibit at the Smithsonian. for all we know, he may even have his own set of trading cards!

The memorial was broken into sections, which I think were:
- Up to 1965
- 1966 - 1990
- 1991 - (present?)
It's probably just convenience that the years work out like that, in terms of numbers of deaths, but with Pym's original adventures in the 60's, I gotta wonder if there's anything significant that happened to SHIELD in '65/'66. Isn't '91 the year the Howard Stark died in the newspaper clipping from IM?

Edit: And, oh yeah, 0-8-4 does not mean alien. The last 0-8-4 was merely a HYDRA laser (granted, it was Tesseract-powered).

 

[Vartha]

Just a thought but I won't be seeing this episode for a while and whats been said has got me wondering.

What was the name of the celestial Madonna in Marvel?

Well some of the comments about the people sacrificing themselves to save Skye left me wondering what was so special about her and then I thought with the Guardians movie coming up and the suggestions about an alien link to Skye it left me wondering about Warlock and Mantis... there was a female version of Warlock wasn't there?

I think that character is part of the Fantastic Four list but I was wondering if there was anything else Coulson revealed on screen about Skye's past?

Yeah there was a female HER, I can't recall what happened to her but both Warlok and any Thanos related characters are under Marvel Studios because of the connection with Avengers and Thanos.

No, not really a whole lot was SHOWN. They did show the two agents rescuing her, but later explain the Reason she was being moved from home to home was to protect her from who ever was after her in the first place.
Sounds ALOT like Jessica Drew's childhood.
Skye could be Jessica Drew because the power COULD be the bio-sting and quiet possibly, that sting may have killed her parents as a baby.

 

[cherokeesam]

an 0-8-4 doesn't make her an ALIEN tho Cherokee. It made her an UNKNOWN object.
Sort of like a U.F.O. not always is a space ship from another world, just that the flying object is unidentified.

Good point...
I was thinking about the semantics of this, though. "084" is technically an "OBJECT of unknown origin." Would SHIELD really use that term for a person of unknown origin...? Unlikely. This is SHIELD's bread and butter, so they clearly have a way to designate if any given agent/team is supposed to approach an *object* rather than a *being.* Plus, they never used the "084" designation on any of the "unregistered gifted" they approached in this series.

So....wouldn't they have used the term "gifted" for her, if they suspected she had powers? Indicates to me that they *didn't* think the baby had powers.

So....what, then?

Skye wasn't the 084 the team was after.
....The object she was found in was the 084.

She had to have been found *inside* an 084.
An alien artifact.
Or craft/lifepod.

(It's Smallville.)
*That's* why I think she's an alien.

 

[Alex_Kidd]

I loved this episode! pretty solid, pretty accurate.
AND I WANT THAT POOL TABLE

 

[JJmelo]

I think the "object" classification is arbitrary. during episode 2 Couslon full on says that Skye was one (albeit he was sarcastic at the time).

 

[Endeavor]

I think the "object" classification is arbitrary. during episode 2 Couslon full on says that Skye was one (albeit he was sarcastic at the time).

Ha!
You're right, he did tell her that.
Look at that, we've been give clues even from way back then.

 

[Vartha]

Kinda interesting when Coulson stopped Simmons from trying to revive Seth one last time....

Seemed as if he was trying to say "Let him go.He's in a better place now"t:

Yeah, that WAS an interesting moment. Sort of shows Phil has dealt with being brought back.

 

[The Question]

Good point...
I was thinking about the semantics of this, though. "084" is technically an "OBJECT of unknown origin." Would SHIELD really use that term for a person of unknown origin...? Unlikely. This is SHIELD's bread and butter, so they clearly have a way to designate if any given agent/team is supposed to approach an *object* rather than a *being.* Plus, they never used the "084" designation on any of the "unregistered gifted" they approached in this series.

So....wouldn't they have used the term "gifted" for her, if they suspected she had powers? Indicates to me that they *didn't* think the baby had powers.

So....what, then?

Skye wasn't the 084 the team was after.
....The object she was found in was the 084.

She had to have been found *inside* an 084.
An alien artifact.
Or craft/lifepod.

(It's Smallville.)
*That's* why I think she's an alien.

I just took it to mean that the got some kind of weird energy signature and didn't know it came from a person until they got there and checked it out.

 

[Vartha]

I loved this episode! pretty solid, pretty accurate.
AND I WANT THAT POOL TABLE

hahaha me TOOO lol Sucks living in a small apt. lol
I bet that art on the table can be made easy if you already have a Table.

 

[Vartha]

Good point...
I was thinking about the semantics of this, though. "084" is technically an "OBJECT of unknown origin." Would SHIELD really use that term for a person of unknown origin...? Unlikely. This is SHIELD's bread and butter, so they clearly have a way to designate if any given agent/team is supposed to approach an *object* rather than a *being.* Plus, they never used the "084" designation on any of the "unregistered gifted" they approached in this series.

So....wouldn't they have used the term "gifted" for her, if they suspected she had powers? Indicates to me that they *didn't* think the baby had powers.

So....what, then?

Skye wasn't the 084 the team was after.
....The object she was found in was the 084.

She had to have been found *inside* an 084.
An alien artifact.
Or craft/lifepod.

(It's Smallville.)
*That's* why I think she's an alien.

OR even an INCUBATOR High Evolutionary would use to grow his genetically enhanced animals

 

[Vartha]

I'm not trying to shoot you Down Cherokee, but, both ideas work. lol