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[X Knight]

1.) You don't think Clark's gonna stay dead, do you?

2.) Jimmy Olsen is not dead. He wasn't even in the movie.

well, technically, Olsen was in the movie, if we are to believe the credits and Snyder's own words.

 

[The Shape]

I find it all rather simple actually.
If batman was sitting high atop a perch with some 50 caliber weapon on full auto and superman was there to talk. Batman unloading a burst every time superman starts a new sentence, it's only reasonable that superman will disarm him so that he can finally get the message across. It's pretty clear at a certain point that superman was aiming to put bruce on his butt away from his toys and just talk to him. Given superman exists in this world as a man that can't be physically challenged he probably approaches things differently.

Taking him up atop that building and away from his preferred position was actually a sound plan(batman was probably planning on a ground fight). Had this whole thing gone down without the kryptonite superman would have forced batman to sit and listen with plenty of time to spare. You can see it all go to hell not when superman catches the grenade but after it explodes.

Yup.

 

[The Guard]

"If you seek his monument, look around you"

Which is fantastic. Because they know he saved them, and there's a hint there, along with the voiceover, that he also inspired them.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well, he was actually. Snyder confirmed that the CIA guy with Lois i the beginning is Jimmy Olsen. The Ultimate Cut will flesh that out more.

What? That can't be, that doesn't even make sense. Jimmy Olsen's not a CIA guy.

 

[Snow Queen]

What? That can't be, that doesn't even make sense. Jimmy Olsen's not a CIA guy.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-jimmy-olsen

“We just did it as this little aside because we had been tracking where we thought the movies were gonna go, and we don’t have room for Jimmy Olsen in our big pantheon of characters, but we can have fun with him, right?”

It’s meant to be a shock to the audience, but Snyder ended up softening the blow by not identifying the character at the start. On the R-rated “Ultimate Edition” of the film, which will be released this summer, Olsen reveals himself up front. “He comes up to her and he goes, ‘Lois Lane, I’m Jimmy Olsen, photographer, obviously … You know, I’ve been assigned to you for this mission.’ But it turns out that Jimmy Olsen is a spook for the CIA.”

...

“I thought, if it were Jesse Eisenberg and he got out and he goes, ‘I’m Jimmy Olsen,’ you’d be like, oh my God, we’re gonna have Jimmy Olsen in the whole movie, right?’” Snyder says. “And then if he got shot, you’d just be like, ‘What!? You can’t do that.’”

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

What? That can't be, that doesn't even make sense. Jimmy Olsen's not a CIA guy.

Snyder made him a cia guy. Why do you think he was Lois' photographer?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

[BLACKOUT]They shot him in the head in the first fifteen minutes of the movie.[/BLACKOUT]

I know people have been saying the CIA guy was Jimmy, but I never once understood why.

well, technically, Olsen was in the movie, if we are to believe the credits and Snyder's own words.

Seriously? Not sure how I feel about that.

 

[The Endless]

Superman smiled twice in this movie.

Superman hasn't grown since MoS. He's still unsure. He's still burdened by his responsibilities. He's still rash and a bit too aggressive.

Instead of being comfortable and proud of his role as Superman... it's almost like his obligated.

If Superman sees that people are unsure and distrustful of him... he should reassure them and make them trust him. How has he not given speeches to the people of the world yet? Does he not talk to the people he saves?

The thing with Superman is that he'd tried to save people even if he had no powers. Clark Kent would be a hero because of the way his parents raised him. But there lies another problem with this portrayal... his parents are ultimately cynics, instead of optimists.

 

[Aquafinn90]

What? That can't be, that doesn't even make sense. Jimmy Olsen's not a CIA guy.

Well they took liberties with the character. I myself am not a comic book fan, so I don't know much about his roots, but yes thats what Snyder said. He reveals his name in the Ultimate Cut. He talked about it when he said he initially approached Jessie Eisenberg to play him, because he thought it would have been cool for people to think he was going to have a big part in the movie, only to kill him off immediately, ala Drew Barrymore in Scream

 

[Jekecy]

You realize that this is like, a key part of the classic modern Darkseid storyline, right?. I realize that "It's in the comics" isn't a great defense, but it is.

Why wouldn't it be worse? Because showing Superman evil then allows them to provide a stark contrast when he is returned to normal.

I can't think of a more damning nail in the coffin for the Superman character and franchise, than to have him return as an even bigger threat to humanity right after he just sacrificed himself for the greater good. It would be a monumental creative decision that topples down all the groundwork they've laid, and will only serve as the final straw for fans who are already sick of seeing this hero not being painted in a good light. We would have been handed a trilogy focusing on beating down the idea of Superman, and that's incredibly disheartening.

If anything the Death of Superman story would've been a nice supplement and bookend to an arc surrounding Superman's brainwash and manipulation. That's not a possibility anymore, and I'm hoping they take this opportunity to use the reincarnation angle as a means of reshaping (read: fix) the perception of who Superman is to the world once and for all.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Edit : Delete- guess it won't let me post the article

Just google Zack Snyder Jimmy Olsen

 

[The Guard]

I know people have been saying the CIA guy was Jimmy, but I never once understood why.



Seriously? Not sure how I feel about that.

It's pretty clearly just an Easter Egg. They talk about covers in the movie.

If they want to use a different version of Jimmy in the future, it's an easy fix.

If the guy can be Turtle Boy and Elastic Lad, he could make it into the CIA. But I think it's just an egg.

 

[Andreth]

Ummm...

-They very much addressed the destruction. Did you not see the memorial to the victims, Bruce Wayne's reaction to the destruction and existence of Superman, the exploration of the disaster's aftermath, specifically with regard to Wallace Keefe, and the fact that Superman is pulled into a court appearance with one of the victims of the disaster and lectured about the will of the people? They created an entire subplot surrounding a specific victim. How is that not addressing it?

-Saying "that place is abandoned", and actively taking Doomsday somehwere that is not populated are directly addressing some of the issues people had. In fact, these were suggestions many fans repeated ad nauseum after the movie.

-Showed Superman taking Doomsday into space, away from the populated area. Again, a suggestion many fans repeated ad nasueum after the film.

Aside from giving Superman more to say and not having him save enough single people (though we saw several rescue sequences), what other concerns didn't they address? They even showed Superman smiling more often.

I wish I had you optimism. But my heart as a fan has been broken. I have no hope, Superman has become a joke, a meme.

1.) You don't think Clark's gonna stay dead, do you?

2.) Jimmy Olsen is not dead. He wasn't even in the movie.

I know he's gonna come back, but it seems Snyder is trying to get rid of the Clark Kent identity and keep the God-like hero, the Justice League leader. My point is, there's no hope of seeing a Clark Kent loving to do his job, investigating, enjoying the Daily Planet dynamic. The movie jumped way ahead leaving many things we as fans would have loved to see. It went straight to The death of superman, and yeah, Jimmy Olsen was in the movie, he's the photographer/CIA agent that gets shot. Snyder did it cause he thought it would be "fun".

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Deadpool was trash. How people like that movie but hate BvS baffles me.

What does Deadpool have to do with anything?

 

[The Endless]

BvS was way better than that POS that was Deadpool. Deadpool sucked

Deadpool was made by people who understood and like the source material. It shows.

It nailed what it aimed for. BvS didn't. End of story.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-jimmy-olsen

Well. Not sure how I feel about that at all. It's fine if it's not mentioned that it's him, because obviously, nothing says it has to be. But if the extended edition is going to make that clear... ugh. Dunno how I feel about that.

He was credited as such in the credits too. Snyder also said that was Olsen.

So I have now been told.

Snyder made him a cia guy. Why do you think he was Lois' photographer?

Because she needed a photographer?

 

[The Guard]

They're removing Clark from the equation for now, because Clark's private life likely isn't terribly relevant to the events of Justice League, inasmuch as Lois can serve as the media element of that film. It'd be easy enough to bring back the Clark persona, too. The comics have done it a few times, and twice after Superman has died.

 

[X Knight]

I know people have been saying the CIA guy was Jimmy, but I never once understood why.



Seriously? Not sure how I feel about that.

yeah, I don't like it either.

 

[Marvin]

Ah, that's it. Thanks.

Yea the quote was about his monument, I thought you were talking about some other quote given your post about it not being earned or something or speaking to the characterization. Given he died in that spot I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about that quote tbh.

 

[The Endless]

Snyder thought it'd be "fun" to kill off Jimmy Olsen. He literally said that...

This a guy who should be making Superman stories?

It's like getting Rob Zombie to make Spider-Man

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I know he's gonna come back, but it seems Snyder is trying to get rid of the Clark Kent identity and keep the God-like hero, the Justice League leader. My point is, there's no hope of seeing a Clark Kent loving to do his job, investigating, enjoying the Daily Planet dynamic. The movie jumped way ahead leaving many things we as fans would have loved to see. It went straight to The death of superman, and yeah, Jimmy Olsen was in the movie, he's the photographer/CIA agent that gets shot. Snyder did it cause he thought it would be "fun".

Well, I think the thing about the Clark Kent persona being permanently killed off is an assumption some are making, unless that comes from a Snyder quote somewhere too.

And I have been educated on the Jimmy Olsen thing now.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Um...okay, let's review. The movie is about Superman needing to earn the trust of the world, and he's trying to get Batman to listen and trust him, too. Will grabbing and restraining the angry man make him listen to you? I almost feel like Superman goes through a few distinct stages. Trying to talk, trying to overpower Bruce and make him listen, and finally letting Bruce kick his ass in order to prove his point. But maybe I'm misremembering. It's been over a week since I've seen it.

Will pushing him do that? Will putting him through a building? At least in one, he uses his words. Why would Bruce listen to him after he pushed him and put him through a building?

 

[The Guard]

Fights don't usually result in cooler heads prevailing right away.

 

[MrsKent26]

Yea the quote was about his monument, I thought you were talking about some other quote given your post about it not being earned or something or speaking to the characterization. Given he died in that spot I'm not sure what doesn't make sense about that quote tbh.

Well, I don't think the death of superman plot was as earned as it could be, but I retract my comment about the quote. Makes more sense now. It seems I should watch this movie again.

 

[Marvin]

I wish I had you optimism. But my heart as a fan has been broken. I have no hope, Superman has become a joke, a meme.

huh(and) really?