BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 295

[javonstokess]

It's such a stretch to say he didn't though. How many movies go out of their way to show you body reports? The confirmations are probably in the r-rated cut. They had to imply it to keep it pg-13

The fact that WB/Snyder believes that an R-rated cut for this movie is necessary tells me they are clueless.

 

[chintai80]

If he's "Batman" he should have it.

Sorry if I'm so adamant about it...I think it's one of the most integral parts of the character. It's what sets him, Superman and Spider-man apart from others.

IMO (and most comic book writers) Batman doesn't take lives because it not only sets him apart from the lunatics he faces, but because he values ALL life; which is why he'll try and save the Joker or Two-Face's life. Bruce believes all life is valuable and a small part of him believe in the redemption process.

It's crazy that Daredevil got Batman right more than DC did.

this is so true.
while i was watching netflix daredevil, i was thinking "man...marvel is making a live action show that feels more like batman than the WB movies ever did..." and this even includes the nolan movies, imo.

daredevil = more batman than batman.

 

[javonstokess]

this is so true.
while i was watching netflix daredevil, i was thinking "man...marvel is making a live action show that feels more like batman than the WB movies ever did..." and this even includes the nolan movies, imo.

daredevil = more batman than batman.

The irony is Marvel made the same mistakes with the Daredevil movie that WB is doing with this movie.

Killing hero + Ben Affleck = Never a good thing.

LOL

 

[Rowsdower!]

They were working on it (and preferred it over what we ultimately got) before everything was sabotaged for Batman vs. Superman. Moot point at this juncture anyway.

Did you get to read the treatment of it? If so, what was in it?

 

[chintai80]

The irony is Marvel made the same mistakes with the Daredevil movie that WB is doing with this movie.

Killing hero + Ben Affleck = Never a good thing.

LOL

haha yea. but that was 2003. you can somewhat forgive them because the genre was at its growing stages.

its 2016 now, there ain't no excuses for bad writing when you're working with the two biggest superheroes in comic-dom.

 

[baerrtt]

The fact that WB/Snyder believes that an R-rated cut for this movie is necessary tells me they are clueless.

A R -rated cut for a movie that features Superman .

 

[javonstokess]

The funny part for me is you can almost see the points in the movie that were meant for the original MoS sequel before they started shoving in all the "crap" to keep up with Marvel.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

this is so true.
while i was watching netflix daredevil, i was thinking "man...marvel is making a live action show that feels more like batman than the WB movies ever did..." and this even includes the nolan movies, imo.

daredevil = more batman than batman.

Like I said before, the first 4 episodes of DDS2 were what this movie should've been

 

[chintai80]

yea WB needs to concentrate on telling a good story instead of trying to play catchup.

you will win fans over with quality in the end.
i did enjoy the easter eggs thrown around here and there because i'm a dc fan, but i rather have had them tell a better story.

Like I said before, the first 4 episodes of DDS2 were what this movie should've been

^ right. the ideological conflict between daredevil and punisher was better told than what bvs gave us. it's almost the same type of conflict, but bvs was very clumsy about it.

 

[mat-chow]

...so at what point do we just drop the debate? There are those who are absolute in their belief that Superman is misrepresented in this film and there are those of us who are open to the story Snyder/Terrio/WB have set out to tell. All the ranting in the world won't change the opinions of those who found the movie (and the characters!) compelling and entertaining. I'm quite sure that Superman's journey will go to another level in forthcoming films. As will Batman's.

 

[javonstokess]

...so at what point do we just drop the debate? There are those who are absolute in their belief that Superman is misrepresented in this film and there are those of us who are open to the story Snyder/Terrio/WB have set out to tell. All the ranting in the world won't change the onions of those who found the movie (and the characters!) compelling and entertaining. I'm quite sure that Superman's journey will go to another level in forthcoming films. As will Batman's.

We keep having the debate because we love comics

As for your last couple of comments: I keep hearing about this "journey to become Superman/Batman", but it rings false to me. MoS was supposed to be that for Superman, while BvS makes the claim that Bruce had already been Batman for 20 years. Their "journeys" should be over.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

...so at what point do we just drop the debate? There are those who are absolute in their belief that Superman is misrepresented in this film and there are those of us who are open to the story Snyder/Terrio/WB have set out to tell. All the ranting in the world won't change the onions of those who found the movie (and the characters!) compelling and entertaining. I'm quite sure that Superman's journey will go to another level in forthcoming films. As will Batman's.

You can drop the debate at anytime.

 

[Sleiek]

Then were are the ticket sales to back this up? Because there are reports of a 77% Monday drop to 3.1m. If people are enjoying this, where is the money?

TDK was 8 years ago, with no 3D. BvS isn't going to get close to it.

Let's not forget that many people don't watch movies in the first week of release. Many of my friends wait until the third week to avoid crowds. Lack of repeat viewings is not the only possible reason for drop in ticket sales.

I never believed the reports that Rotten Tomatoes has no effects on ticket sales. It does have an effect. Most of my friends know about the poor rating the movie has gotten and decided to not give it a chance. They started jumping on the bandwagon of making all the jokes before seeing the movie first. And my friends who did watch the movie in the first week rated it anywhere from "3/5" to "Awesome".

(Sorry for the late reply)

 

[Kanon]

this is so true.
while i was watching netflix daredevil, i was thinking "man...marvel is making a live action show that feels more like batman than the WB movies ever did..." and this even includes the nolan movies, imo.

daredevil = more batman than batman.

Well, bats are blind

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[TheFlamingCoco]

The irony is Marvel made the same mistakes with the Daredevil movie that WB is doing with this movie.

Killing hero + ANY ACTOR= Never a good thing.

LOL

Fixed

 

[javonstokess]

Fixed

The Punisher disagrees with your fix

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Well, let the Punisher get punished..by Daredevil

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Did you get to read the treatment of it? If so, what was in it?

I have access to... certain Superman materials but not that alas.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Let's not forget that many people don't watch movies in the first week of release. Many of my friends wait until the third week to avoid crowds. Lack of repeat viewings is not the only possible reason for drop in ticket sales.

I never believed the reports that Rotten Tomatoes has no effects on ticket sales. It does have an effect. Most of my friends know about the poor rating the movie has gotten and decided to not give it a chance. They started jumping on the bandwagon of making all the jokes before seeing the movie first. And my friends who did watch the movie in the first week rated it anywhere from "3/5" to "Awesome".

(Sorry for the late reply)

We can't use that argument here because of the first day and weekend numbers. People went and saw it, and then had the ability to tell their friends and family how they felt. Its dropping, which indicates a lack of repeat viewing and good WOM. The CinemaScore rating points to what we are seeing.

We can talk about online polls, but everyone knows those are fanboy havens, where they try to juice the score. IMDB is built on that.

 

[chintai80]

i think i can enjoy the movie just a little bit more if i watched this under of the lens of this being a version of flashpoint paradox...

but not by much...

bvs batman is more like thomas wayne batman.

 

[Sleiek]

We can't use that argument here because of the first day and weekend numbers. People went and saw it, and then had the ability to tell their friends and family how they felt. Its dropping, which indicates a lack of repeat viewing and good WOM. The CinemaScore rating points to what we are seeing.

We can talk about online polls, but everyone knows those are fanboy havens, where they try to juice the score. IMDB is built on that.

Yes you are right. Only fanboys participate in online polls.

And if you take Cinemascore which poll people on the first day of release, guess what, the vast majority of them are most likely fanboys. Only fanboys buy the ticket a month early to be able to catch a show on the first day.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes you are right. Only fanboys participate in online polls.

And if you take Cinemascore which poll people on the first day of release, guess what, the vast majority of them are most likely fanboys.

Nope, but are we going to act like this film had a huge amount of votes before it came out because fanboys weren't trying to create a narrative? When you only vote with 10s, that is what happens. And even then, it feel like a brink on those things as well. High 9s, down to mid to lose 7s.

You think there are $166m worth of fanboys going to the theater opening weekend?

 

[Sleiek]

Nope, but are we going to act like this film had a huge amount of votes before it came out because fanboys weren't trying to create a narrative? When you only vote with 10s, that is what happens. And even then, it feel like a brink on those things as well. High 9s, down to mid to lose 7s.

You think there are $166m worth of fanboys going to the theater opening weekend?

When I say online polls, I am not talking about Rotten Tomatoes Audience rating or IMDB, I mean twitter polls generated by superhero fan sites.

I should have been more clear, I don't trust RT and IMDB audience score because, yes, people voted way before the movie even came out.
And btw a lot of people voted 1/10 as well before the movie came out, let's not forget that. lol

 

[Urich Leeds]

^ I disagree with his arc, then

You should disagree with it. Batman in BvS is totally in the wrong, and thats how they meant it to be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You should disagree with it. Batman in BvS is totally in the wrong, and thats how they meant it to be.

Too bad it wasn't done in a compelling way. You know, how Daredevil did it.