BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - Part 302

[Predator jp]

does Cap and Falcon have no kill codes in comics?

 

[Mandon Knight]

they all kill enemies in these movies. I was just watching Civil War again and counted several in that first fight alone. Cap splatters one guy all over a concrete pillar, then Falcon kills 4 in 2 seconds when he shoots those 2 missiles at them and immolated them right there on the spot. No one ever bats an eye at that though. And that's just in the first 5 min of the movie.

It's the Marvel 'free pass', nothing bad must be said rule.

 

[Sleiek]

Cap is a soldier so it doesn't make sense if he had a no Kill rule. Falcon is a soldier too if I remember correctly. They are free to kill.

 

[Boom]

We've had this discussion before. Just because Character A kills doesn't automatically mean Character B has to. Different characters, different morals and sets of values. It's the same reason so many of us take issue with Snyder's desire to turn Superman into some analog of Dr. Manhattan.

Superman is a being with godlike powers. A strict no-kill rule keeps him grounded and demonstrates a commitment to not abuse his power by taking the life of someone who could never hope to defend themselves. And that says nothing about Superman's overall moral fiber as someone who respects the sanctity of all life and believes in even the worst of people.

 

[Sleiek]

As far as I am concerned, Superman only killed Zod (twice) who is capable of defending himself.

 

[Predator jp]

yep, he has never killed any humans.
but it would been nicer if they established his no kill rule in BvS.

 

[shauner111]

they all kill enemies in these movies. I was just watching Civil War again and counted several in that first fight alone. Cap splatters one guy all over a concrete pillar, then Falcon kills 4 in 2 seconds when he shoots those 2 missiles at them and immolated them right there on the spot. No one ever bats an eye at that though. And that's just in the first 5 min of the movie.

Is this an act of trolling? Superman and Batman are not Avengers, soldiers, agents of shield, whatever....they are SUPERMAN and BATMAN.

Different characters. It's such a lousy defense when people want every character or hero or villain to act the exact same, with the same outlook on life. How boring. And such a weak argument.

 

[Boom]

Why stop at Batman killing? Spawn terrorizes criminals, murders them, and horribly mutilates their bodies. I don't understand why Batman can't do that. Probs cuz people want some Adam West cornfest. SNYDER KEEP IT REAL.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

I noticed some AWESOME easter eggs / details on my 2nd viewing

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(1)

the helmet of the flash suit looks like a mix between (or a lot like)

- a stormtrooper
- a miner vehicon from TF Prime
- silver samurai from the worverine film

(2)

in the angry crowd in front of the court there are also superman supporters ... between them there are two girls who are wearing exact replicas of the CBS supergirl suit (minus the "S")

(3)

when we see wallace in a weelchain next to the superman statue there are some photos of superman heroics ... one of those photos is exactly like the action comics #1 cover

(http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/04/actioncomics001.jpg)

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funny stuff hum ?!

 

[StormC]

It's the Marvel 'free pass', nothing bad must be said rule.

Some people on this site act like Marvel is personally spiting them just because they're the only studio to consistently put out critically acclaimed and commercially successful superhero movies.

 

[Boom]

For all those fans accusing others of actively wanting DC to fail (critics as well), you better believe those same fans are just waiting, praying, for Marvel to slip up in a major way. Seriously. True colors will be revealed if that day ever comes.

 

[souperman]

I think the no kill rule for Superman and Batman are good rules to follow or at least be the goal to strive for. I think in modern films, this can grow tiresome rather fast as the audience sees the heroes stopping the bad guys with cunning plans and tricks but never trounce them.

The best method I think would be to have them "try" as best they can to bring them in alive but if necessary, and the reason should be strong, kill to stop or save innocent lives.

I do believe both MOS and BvS did this for the most part with Superman and had Batman work through an identity crisis in BvS where he stumbled and fell.

So now we got to see the rougher side of Bats. Hopefully in JL we see the smarter, cleverer, detective/planner to aid the super-beings or we will see him diving for cover a lot more.
Sleiek:
I also see some potential problems with the next x- men just from the trailers and also a little skeptical about the next Star Trek, tho I really liked the last 2.
We shall see.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Doctor Strange has out of body experiences. How come Superman doesn't?

Black Panther is a King. Batman should be as well.

 

[DreddFan]

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

Snyder is the first Director since Burton who is able to interweave iconic comic book imagery into a cinematic narrative, Russo Bros like Nolan are great and action sequences and glorious set pieces but even when they make a direct nod to a comic book panel(as Goyer often does) it doesn't translate into an iconic image on screen. Gimmie Snyderverse over the fluff of most Marvel movies.

 

[Boom]

Maybe we can avoid Superman ramming a regular human being through three walls of concrete at high speeds.

That'd be just swell.

 

[StormC]

For all the people crying over others supposedly wanting DC to fail (critics as well), you better believe those same people are just waiting, praying, for Marvel to slip up in a major way. Seriously. True colors will be revealed if that day ever comes.

Oh, yeah. It's gonna be a bloodbath when (not if) the first rotten MCU movie appears. I'm not looking forward to it.

I've said it once and I'll say it again:

Snyder is the first Director since Burton who is able to interweave iconic comic book imagery into a cinematic narrative, Russo Bros like Nolan are great and action sequences and glorious set pieces but even when they make a direct nod to a comic book panel(as Goyer often does) it doesn't translate into an iconic image on screen. Gimmie Snyderverse over the fluff of most Marvel movies.

So you're saying that directors like the Russos and Nolan are actually more concerned with making a good movie first over a comic book fanservice vehicle? One wonders why their movies are so much better received.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

You guys see this?

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/...n-launched-to-stop-disney-from-paying-critics

 

[souperman]

Maybe we can avoid Superman ramming a regular human being through three walls of concrete at high speeds.

That'd be just swell.

Swell? ( said in my best Margot Kidder voice)

...and it was only two concrete walls !

 

[Mandon Knight]

You guys see this?

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/...n-launched-to-stop-disney-from-paying-critics

I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand....

 

[StormC]

Nobody here besides critics have even seen Apocalypse and people are already trying to defend it. It's pretty sad.

 

[souperman]

You guys see this?

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/...n-launched-to-stop-disney-from-paying-critics

I believe it...and by the way I am a critic and Love Marvel and Disney...

 

[DreddFan]

Oh, yeah. It's gonna be a bloodbath when (not if) the first rotten MCU movie appears. I'm not looking forward to it.



So you're saying that directors like the Russos and Nolan are actually more concerned with making a good movie first over a comic book fanservice vehicle? One wonders why their movies are so much better received.

Why make CMB movies at all if you're stripping the genre of one its main components? Kubrick brought an artistry to the horror genre in The Shining that had some critics panning it.

 

[Verick808]

There is only one way to learn the truth. We must all drop our careers and become critics. Eventually Disney would have to approach some of us.

 

[Boom]

If this conspiracy theory helps people make peace with the terrible reviews their movie got, all the power to them.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Russo Bros like Nolan are great and action sequences and glorious set pieces but even when they make a direct nod to a comic book panel(as Goyer often does) it doesn't translate into an iconic image on screen

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