BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion (TAG SPOILERS) - - - - - - Part 307

[Erzengel]

I don't agree. The UE while fixing some of the minor issues, doesn't change the overall story and plot. Could it have made more money? Sure. Significantly more? I can't be convinced. Snyder's movies and I'm assuming JL would have been niche, and only enhanced box office wise because it's about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, DC, etc.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If the UE was what we got in theaters then the DCEU would have been on equal footing with Marvel especially because then Suicide Squad and Justice League probably would have been much better films especially if Suicide Squad Extended Cut had come out in theaters instead of what we got and if Justice League Snyder Cut had come out in theaters...both films could have really set the standard for DC with UE for BVS just being the foundation for what the DCEU could have been

Don't think they would have been on an even footing with Marvel, but I do think the UC coming out in the cinema at release would have made a difference critically and possibly financially.

 

[SupermanFan]

I don't agree. The UE while fixing some of the minor issues, doesn't change the overall story and plot. Could it have made more money? Sure. Significantly more? I can't be convinced. Snyder's movies and I'm assuming JL would have been niche, and only enhanced box office wise because it's about Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, DC, etc.

I honestly don’t think it would have made much more if it did and I certainly don’t think it would have changed the way thing things went.

 

[Spider-jedi]

i remember my experience after watching this film. My whole theater was quite and there was not the regular upbeat attitude you see when people walk out of a superhero movie.
I am not a fan of BVS, i saw the sences in the UE and it didnt do much for me. I feel like this movie would have been a better graphic novel.
I dont even blame Sydner or Joss for anything. WB is the root cause of all this.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i remember my experience after watching this film. My whole theater was quite and there was not the regular upbeat attitude you see when people walk out of a superhero movie.
I am not a fan of BVS, i saw the sences in the UE and it didnt do much for me. I feel like this movie would have been a better graphic novel.
I dont even blame Sydner or Joss for anything. WB is the root cause of all this.

I would imagine watching the UC scenes out of context wouldn't add anything. But they make the whole movie flow so much better as a whole. The UC actually feels shorter than the TC as the flow is better, I recommend watching it in its entirety.

But up to you if you want to of course.

 

[Aurakles]

I don't think the BVS is a film that is intended to leave people feeling upbeat. It was never built to be "feel good movie of the year", nor to be a generic happy ending action flick. BVS is a movie that seeks to seriously tackle subjects few superhero films even flirt around the edges of.
BVS is a film about enduring suffering, about having your fundamental beliefs questioned, your assumptions of yourself, the world and your role in it being compromised.
I expect the filmmakers wanted audiences to come away from BVS thinking about the films themes, rather than just cool action scenes or funny liners.

 

[Spider-jedi]

I don't think the BVS is a film that is intended to leave people feeling upbeat. It was never built to be "feel good movie of the year", nor to be a generic happy ending action flick. BVS is a movie that seeks to seriously tackle subjects few superhero films even flirt around the edges of.
BVS is a film about enduring suffering, about having your fundamental beliefs questioned, your assumptions of yourself, the world and your role in it being compromised.
I expect the filmmakers wanted audiences to come away from BVS thinking about the films themes, rather than just cool action scenes or funny liners.

I agree with you on this. That is what Zack was going for but for me he missed the mark. I have seen the movie only 3 times but rather than make me think about the questions its trying to ask im drawn to the weird decisions the characters are making. the whole African subplot just doesnt work for me.

MOS i feel did a much better job with this. then again MOS was not balancing so much

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think the BVS is a film that is intended to leave people feeling upbeat. It was never built to be "feel good movie of the year", nor to be a generic happy ending action flick. BVS is a movie that seeks to seriously tackle subjects few superhero films even flirt around the edges of.
BVS is a film about enduring suffering, about having your fundamental beliefs questioned, your assumptions of yourself, the world and your role in it being compromised.
I expect the filmmakers wanted audiences to come away from BVS thinking about the films themes, rather than just cool action scenes or funny liners.

Yeah definitely this, I think that's one of the reasons it wasn't released during the summer. It's a not a typical upbeat blockbuster. Superman is put through an emotional and physical wringer, were as Batman literally steps out of the dark into the light. Wonder Woman comes back from the shadows. They all come out of the other side of deep emotional trauma and that's the uplifting part of the movie, but the majority of it is seeing these characters go through and suffer that trauma.

 

[SupermanFan]

I agree with you on this. That is what Zack was going for but for me he missed the mark. I have seen the movie only 3 times but rather than make me think about the questions its trying to ask im drawn to the weird decisions the characters are making. the whole African subplot just doesnt work for me.

MOS i feel did a much better job with this. then again MOS was not balancing so much

I really didn’t like the African subplot either. It just wasn’t that interesting and Superman deserved a much better intro to the movie imo.

 

[Erzengel]

Yeah definitely this, I think that's one of the reasons it wasn't released during the summer. It's a not a typical upbeat blockbuster. Superman is put through an emotional and physical wringer, were as Batman literally steps out of the dark into the light. Wonder Woman comes back from the shadows. They all come out of the other side of deep emotional trauma and that's the uplifting part of the movie, but the majority of it is seeing these characters go through and suffer that trauma.

This was moved from July 17, 2015 to May 6, 2016 to March 25, 2016. I think it was moved back because they didn't want to have to compete with Civil War which was slated to be released on.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This was moved from July 17, 2015 to May 6, 2016 to March 25, 2016. I think it was moved back because they didn't want to have to compete with Civil War which was slated to be released on.

Oh I agree that was the main reason. But I also think they knew this wasn't a typical summer blockbuster and that factored into their thinking also. Not a huge amount, but somewhat IMO.

 

[Erzengel]

I just think they had a $250M movie and wanted to give it the best possible chance to succeed by moving it back to a slot with not too much competition. I just can't give WB credit that they thought that they saw this as a different type of blockbuster, regardless of that was Snyder's intent. The Studio or most Studios wouldn't be that "deep thinking".

 

[Spider-jedi]

I just think they had a $250M movie and wanted to give it the best possible chance to succeed by moving it back to a slot with not too much competition. I just can't give WB credit that they thought that they saw this as a different type of blockbuster, regardless of that was Snyder's intent. The Studio or most Studios wouldn't be that "deep thinking".

yes this. This is a business for them so they are thinking bottom line. The moved it to a spot with less competition. which is a good movie IMO. When you heard batman ans superman, summer blockbuster is he first thing that comes to mind.

if this movie was an else world graphic novel or dc animated movies, i believe there wont have been this huge divide among dc fans and comic fans

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I really didn’t like the African subplot either. It just wasn’t that interesting and Superman deserved a much better intro to the movie imo.

Yeah all the bullet stuff is a waste of time. And the UE just wastes more of our time. All that investigation to arrive at the conclusion that Lex Luthor is a villain. Big surprise.

 

[SupermanFan]

Yeah all the bullet stuff is a waste of time. And the UE just wastes more of our time. All that investigation to arrive at the conclusion that Lex Luthor is a villain. Big surprise.

Haha yeah never thought of it like that. Don’t get me wrong it had been an interesting subplot even knowing it was Lex would have worked but it wasn’t it was boring.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think the Africa/Bullet sub plot was more about out Lex to the public as a villain rather than showing the audience most of whom already know.

That said, it certainly wasn't my favourite part of the movie.

 

[antsman41]

You mean quote unquote Jimmy Olsen being a spy and getting murdered wasn’t good?

 

[moviefreak]

I found this quite entertaining, it's really very good youtube content.

WHY I LOVE BATMAN V SUPERMAN or: How I Learned To Stop Hating And Love Zack Snyder

 

[TheVileOne]

"Clark, my lover and boyfriend, you've been tricked. Lex was behind Africa and the Senate explosion. He's been setting you up this whole time. I have the evidence to prove it. In fact, the government and Lennox are aware he's behind it as well. I figured all of this out. You shouldn't be angry at yourself. He's been working against you this whole time and manipulating and gaslighting you."

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think the BVS is a film that is intended to leave people feeling upbeat. It was never built to be "feel good movie of the year", nor to be a generic happy ending action flick. BVS is a movie that seeks to seriously tackle subjects few superhero films even flirt around the edges of.
BVS is a film about enduring suffering, about having your fundamental beliefs questioned, your assumptions of yourself, the world and your role in it being compromised.
I expect the filmmakers wanted audiences to come away from BVS thinking about the films themes, rather than just cool action scenes or funny liners.

And it executes them all horribly and terribly with complete and utter incompetence.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't say it executes them horribly personally. Even now when I watch the movie 4 years later I find new things I like about it, and a lot of parts hit me emotionally.

 

[Aurakles]

Art is subjective, beauty in the eye of the beholder.

Some people like it and some people don't.

And that's ok.

 

[TheVileOne]

I wouldn't say it executes them horribly personally. Even now when I watch the movie 4 years later I find new things I like about it, and a lot of parts hit me emotionally.

When Clark dies I feel nothing except how cheap and pedestrian a plot device it is. They did not earn that death. When Optimus Prime dies, we've already spent years with Optimus Prime at that point. He has been our hero and protecting Earth and the human race for years. And he dies fighting Megatron and giving his life to protect both of his worlds and his friends.

Same thing for Clark in the actual death of Superman in the 1990s. Superman had long been established as Earth and Metropolis' hero. Already a member of the Justice League and close friend to other heroes. Already engaged to Lois. Superman vs. Doomsday was a veteran established Superman who had already been at the game for years locked in a mortal battle where he was ready to give his life to stop Doomsday, not just to protect Lois, but to protect the Earth, his friends in the Justice League, the innocent civilians of the world, and his family.

In Batman v Superman, all he cares about is Lois. Lois is his world. That's it. It's shameful. Shameful.

 

[Da-Scribe]

All he cares about is Lois lmfao. I get that they’re flawed movies, but that’s such an elementary reading of the material.

 

[TheVileOne]

All he cares about is Lois lmfao. I get that they’re flawed movies, but that’s such an elementary reading of the material.

He said it himself. "You are my world."