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[jmc]

That sick kid was about showing what the character means to a lot of people, and that Snyder should have kept that in mind as opposed to trying to make the character cool in his own eyes.

 

[Bebop Cowboy]

I think we are on the same page on a couple of things but just had two completely different emotional experiences while watching this movie. Which is fine and great but I am not sure this was what Snyder was going for as a storyteller. (The fact that we had such different responses) Bottom line is that I am glad you liked it. I really wanted to and the worse part is that I am no longer excited for the JL movie. Never thought I would say something like that. I am excited for SS however.

Well I didn't like the whole movie. There is a lot that I thought was quite bad. Especially how it was put together. However there were parts that I thought were really great. It's definitely a film that feels like it was made on the fly. Which is not what you want from a $250m tent pole movie to a Billion dollar franchise.

I wanted to just weigh in on how I viewed scenes. For example, a lot of people on the forum think that "superman was just a vision of a farmer from Kansas", is referring to Jonathan Kent and those people are losing their minds about it. Where I'm 100% sure, Clark is referring to himself.

It's how people viewed certain scenes and I just wanted to put forward how I viewed the Martha scene.

And yes, I'm not too psyched about JL myself. Which makes me quite angry because this is almost the moment I've been waiting for my entire life, lol!

 

[Travesty]

That sick kid was about showing what the character means to a lot of people, and that Snyder should have kept that in mind as opposed to trying to make the character cool in his own eyes.

Oh, I get it. Doesn't make it any less pathetic.

But keep on keeping on with that.

 

[MrsKent26]

That sick kid was about showing what the character means to a lot of people, and that Snyder should have kept that in mind as opposed to trying to make the character cool in his own eyes.

I don't think what Snyder's done with superman is about making the character look cool. Obviously I don't know that for sure, but that's not the impression I get. It seems to me that Snyder wants to explore concepts surrounding the character, but doesn't find the character himself as interesting as those surrounding concepts.

 

[Jekecy]

I don't think what Snyder's done with superman is about making the character look cool. Obviously I don't know that for sure, but that's not the impression I get. It seems to me that Snyder wants to explore concepts surrounding the character, but doesn't find the character himself as interesting as those surrounding concepts.

Yeah, in retrospect it's clear why he initially rejected and dismissed the notion of him directing a Superman film. He's just not a fan of the actual mythos.

But he is fascinated with the idea of a Superman, and the only way into the property for him was to deconstruct and distill the lore into what he prefers the concept to personify.

Which to his credit has introduced some relatively fresh avenues for the character in cinema, but none which weren't done more successfully (and more faithfully to the canon) than his predecessors in the comic book world.

 

[jmc]

Oh, I get it. Doesn't make it any less pathetic.

But keep on keeping on with that.

It's an example of what many people wanted to see from this version of Superman. It's not pathetic, it's pointing out the symbolism and the importance that was missing from the character in Snyder's movie. Yes, that image captured everything about Superman that has been more or less absent in the last two films. But please, continue trying to act like Snyder has done nothing wrong.

 

[AnneFan]

Done nothing wrong or done everything wrong. There's extremes on both sides of this debate.

 

[Lily Adler]

Let's play Russian roulette and see which side pans out.

 

[Travesty]

It's an example of what many people wanted to see from this version of Superman. It's not pathetic, it's pointing out the symbolism and the importance that was missing from the character in Snyder's movie. Yes, that image captured everything about Superman that has been more or less absent in the last two films. But please, continue trying to act like Snyder has done nothing wrong.

If you wanted to, you could have looked at his body of work. Instead, you looked at something that would garner the most sympathy, to help push your opinion/agenda.

And the sick thing is, you end it with "but please, continue trying to act like Snyder has done nothing wrong". My point isn't about defending Snyder. I don't care what you say about him. ****in go after him all you want. It's about not using sick kids as props for your idiotic claims, to try and slam a director you hate. If he was so easy to slam, use his body of work, and stop using sick kids. I'm not talking about Snyder here, I'm talking about anyone who would be so pathetic to sink to that level. Apparently, you're defending it.

Again, keep on keeping on.

 

[dude stannis]

Seriously we're bringing the sick kids who hugged Superman into this? Shame on those who did. You disgust me.

 

[jmc]

If you wanted to, you could have looked at his body of work. Instead, you looked at something that would garner the most sympathy, to help push your opinion/agenda.

And the sick thing is, you end it with "but please, continue trying to act like Snyder has done nothing wrong". My point isn't about defending Snyder. I don't care what you say about him. ****in go after him all you want. It's about not using sick kids as props for your idiotic claims, to try and slam a director you hate. If he was so easy to slam, use his body of work, and stop using sick kids. I'm not talking about Snyder here, I'm talking about anyone who would be so pathetic to sink to that level. Apparently, you're defending it.

Again, keep on keeping on.

His body of work? You mean the body of work that has never gotten critical acclaim or widespread appeal? The body of work where he's struggle to time and time again to put the story above the visuals? The body of work that struggles to develop characters properly?

 

[AnneFan]

This isn’t Superman.

This is Superman.

Hey wait a minute – could it be possible there are different interpretations of Superman?!

 

[Kanye West]

What about the 1% speech. Essentially Batman's reasoning for wanting to destroy Superman. It is patently absurd logic.
Lets apply the reasoning to anything else.

"If there is even a 1% chance that North Korea will bomb us we have to take it as an absolute certainty. They must be destroyed".

"If there is even a 1% chance that this person that has just walked into my store is a shop lifter I have to take it as an absolute certainty, Call security".

"If there is even a 1% chance that a muslim could be a terrorist, we have to take it as an absolute certainty. We must destroy the religion

"If there is even a 1% chance that this person drinking in my pub could turn violent, I must take it as an absolute certainty, Kick him out".

If there is even a 1% chance that Iraq have Weapons of mass destruction, we must take it as an absolute certainty. They must be destroyed". oh....wait......

I cannot believe that this idea went from the script, to the director, actor. etc....and no one said. hold on. this is absurd......How did it get through?

There is so much wrong with this film. It honesly amazes me.

i hope this is a joke

 

[Kanye West]

This isn’t Superman.

This is Superman.

Hey wait a minute – could it be possible there are different interpretations of Superman?!

no way

 

[dude stannis]

This isn’t Superman.

This is Superman.

Hey wait a minute – could it be possible there are different interpretations of Superman?!

The character's been around for 75 years, it's statistically impossible to like every single interpretation.

 

[Travesty]

His body of work? You mean the body of work that has never gotten critical acclaim or widespread appeal? The body of work where he's struggle to time and time again to put the story above the visuals?

Yeah, his body of work apparently isn't the best, but MUCH better than pathetic individuals who love to use sick kids as props, who aren't smart enough to come up with their own individual opinions.

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, his body of work apparently isn't the best, but MUCH better than pathetic individuals who love to use sick kids as props, who aren't smart enough to come up with their own individual opinions.

You really should check the RT score. That's the proof. Why think for yourself when the critics can do that for you?

 

[Travesty]

You really should check the RT score. That's the proof. Why think for yourself when the critics can do that for you?

Hey now, some people love to be told what to think.


*quick, find a pic of a sick kid to back up your claims! Apparently, it's legitimate.

 

[AnneFan]

If you like this movie, you actually think it's bad. But you accept it anyway.

And people throw these slurs around, expecting the debate to remain civil.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

If you wanted to, you could have looked at his body of work. Instead, you looked at something that would garner the most sympathy, to help push your opinion/agenda.

And the sick thing is, you end it with "but please, continue trying to act like Snyder has done nothing wrong". My point isn't about defending Snyder. I don't care what you say about him. ****in go after him all you want. It's about not using sick kids as props for your idiotic claims, to try and slam a director you hate. If he was so easy to slam, use his body of work, and stop using sick kids. I'm not talking about Snyder here, I'm talking about anyone who would be so pathetic to sink to that level. Apparently, you're defending it.

Again, keep on keeping on.

Whats so wrong about using an image of a touching situation like that to show Snyders failings?

Would you've agreed that Snyder doesn't understand the character if it were a healthy kid hugging some guy dressed as Superman?

You're trying to make people feel like scum for no reason.

 

[AnneFan]

So Snyder doesn't understand Superman because someone posts a photo of a sick boy hugging a cosplayer? I fail to see how that's got anything to do with the film whatsoever. Because it doesn't. It's like Roger Moore getting slagged off for films he didn't even appear in.

 

[Travesty]

So Snyder doesn't understand Superman because someone posts a photo of a sick boy hugging a cosplayer? I fail to see how that's got anything to do with the film whatsoever. Because it doesn't. It's like Roger Moore getting slagged off for films he didn't even appear in.

Someone finally understands why it's so pathetic.

Thank you.

 

[dude stannis]

Yeah, his body of work apparently isn't the best, but MUCH better than pathetic individuals who love to use sick kids as props, who aren't smart enough to come up with their own individual opinions.

I don't give a good damn if his films suck, rule or whatever. But Snyder made Watchmen while feeding, clothing and bathing his near invalid wife and someone using a sick child as a prop to make a point on his films, negative or positive, puts him leagues above them on the scale of basic decency.

 

[AnneFan]

Someone finally understands why it's so pathetic.

Thank you.

Spoiler

But Cavill's Supe doesn't smile anywhere in the films. So where did this GIF come from?

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

This isn’t Superman.

This is Superman.

Hey wait a minute – could it be possible there are different interpretations of Superman?!

There have been plenty different takes on Superman. Failing to realise which ones to adapt to the big screen, which elements to use and which NOT to use to get the GA excited for the DCEU thats on Snyder and co.

There have been different takes on Iron Man and as far as I know the RDJ version isnt exactly like the older comics. Yet they managed to make a version that appeals to the majority and got people excited for the future.

And make no mistake WB/DC wanted and NEEDED this movie to be more safe and appeal to the majority.

The MCU is now thriving and diversifying because of their initial safe approach, can't say the same about the DCEU. Have they started filming Justice League yet?