All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - Part 13

[Roose Bolton]

A few of my friends noted on how they feel like Snyder is at times in a no win situation. I mean on one hand, if the film does great, Nolan may great more credit...but if the film does bad, then Snyder may get all the blame.

Exactly. It ain't right.

 

[charl_huntress]

Exactly. It ain't right.

Nolan is going to be the driving force...we all know it. No disrespect to Synder, but we all know what's going on.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

lol...that's what they said about Singer. Everyone (including me at the time) thought he would be great because he had ONE franchise under his belt that was succesful.

I learned the hard way.

You do realize Memento and Inception were iconic films too, right? Nolan might have achieved 'brand name' status because of Batman, but he's also done other successful films.

Incidentally, The Prestige, nowadays, is garnering cult-status too.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

That is my problem with the Nolan-love....you can't make Superman Batman. You can't make a Batman movie that features Superman...

Sorry Nolanites...I am going to have to see to believe and I won't drink the Kool-Aid uhtil then.

The main rule in Nolan's CBMs is to approach the material as more than "something based on a comic book". Hence his deviation from the books.

He takes something implausible and brings it down to our level. Thus making it relatable.

In the comics, Batman is a superhero. In Nolan's films he's a vigilante. There's a simplicity to how he humanizes things. With Superman I'm expecting more than just an all-powerful superhero. I'm expecting the story of an alien who could be a God but chooses to be a man.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

You do realize Memento and Inception were iconic films too, right? Nolan might have achieved 'brand name' status because of Batman, but he's also done other successful films.

Incidentally, The Prestige, nowadays, is garnering cult-status too.

ALL his films are brilliant.

You pre-order the FOLLOWING Criterion yet?

 

[charl_huntress]

You do realize Memento and Inception were iconic films too, right? Nolan might have achieved 'brand name' status because of Batman, but he's also done other successful films.

Incidentally, The Prestige, nowadays, is garnering cult-status too.

The Usual Suspects and the 2 X-Men films were just a well received and gave Singer the same cult status...IMO

Seriously, tbh, I remember my enthusiam for SR and a poster named Matt telling me that Singer was not really capable of delivering characters beyond his comfort zone. I was CONVINCED he was wrong. Again, I learned the hard way.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Nolan is going to be the driving force...we all know it. No disrespect to Synder, but we all know what's going on.

Are you trying imply Snyder is simply Nolan's puppet for this production?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The Usual Suspects and the 2 X-Men films were just a well received and gave Singer the same cult status...IMO

Seriously, tbh, I remember my enthusiam for SR and a poster named Matt telling me that Singer was not really capable of delivering characters beyond his comfort zone. I was CONVINCED he was wrong. Again, I learned the hard way.

You really think Bryan Singer is at Chris Nolan's level?

 

[charl_huntress]

Are you trying imply Snyder is simply Nolan's puppet for this production?

I think Snyder is WB's puppet and that money can make some people squawk like a bird.

You really think Bryan Singer is at Chris Nolan's level?

I think the love for Nolan is the same as it was for Singer when he was at the top of his game.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Are you trying imply Snyder is simply Nolan's puppet for this production?

I'd use military ranks for this equation:

Snyder's the Company Commander but Nolan's the Brigade Commander.

Normally the director is as high as you go in a production, but this is a special case where Nolan most probably has final word.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

ALL his films are brilliant.

You pre-order the FOLLOWING Criterion yet?

I'm getting on it very soon.

Many fans consider The Following to be Nolan's 'weakest' film to date but, in my opinion, that honor goes to Insomnia. It was actually a very good film, but I just wasn't a big fan of it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

WBs puppet? You mean the same man who used his 300 success to convince them to invest 130 million into a R-rated superhero film with a cast made up of unknowns ? Yeah I don't see that happening.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Usual Suspects and the 2 X-Men films were just a well received and gave Singer the same cult status...IMO

Seriously, tbh, I remember my enthusiam for SR and a poster named Matt telling me that Singer was not really capable of delivering characters beyond his comfort zone. I was CONVINCED he was wrong. Again, I learned the hard way.

But see, you mentioned the X-Men franchise once more. Without it, Singer's resume doesn't exactly stand out. Nolan still has Inception, Memento, Insomnia and The Prestige without Batman.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I think the love for Nolan is the same as it was for Singer when he was at the top of his game.

That doesn't make sense though.

Singer's prowess lasted 8 years (4 films) and spawned two great CBMs.

Nolan's prowess has been going on for 15 years (8 films), spawned the most acclaimed CBM trilogy of all time, Oscar Nominations and two films that stand in the top 10 all-time BO list.

 

[charl_huntress]

I'd use military ranks for this equation:

Snyder's the Company Commander but Nolan's the Brigade Commander.

Normally the director is as high as you go in a production, but this is a special case where Nolan most probably has final word.

I will remind you that the CO - the Commanding Officer - has the final word. That is WB....so put your trust in them.

 

[charl_huntress]

That doesn't make sense though.

Singer's prowess lasted 8 years and spawned two great CBMs.

Nolan's prowess has been going on for 15 years, spawned the most acclaimed CBM trilogy of all time, Oscar Nominations and two films that stand in the top 10 all-time BO list.

Singer was on par for many of the same accolades...until he made SR.

 

[charl_huntress]

WBs puppet? You mean the same man who used his 300 success to convince them to invest 130 million into a R-rated superhero film with a cast made up of unknowns ? Yeah I don't see that happening.

No one convinces anyone to invest money. They make the decision to invest and find someone.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Singer never made anything as wildly acclaimed or successful as Inception.

 

[Herolee10]

In any case, all I want in the end is to get the Superman film that most people have been waiting for ages.

After several decades of development hell, close calls with unfathomable pitches, and a miss with Superman Returns, I think it's safe to say that there's a good amount of people that are really starving for a Superman film that will not only satisfy our appetite, but place our beloved hero back into the main radar of the General Public.

I honestly have high hopes for this film, and this is based only on what we've seen, bootleg or not, along with the people that's involved and what we know so far on where they're trying to go.

Hell, I'm hoping that this film will do a better job in executing a alien invasion threat in a modern day context with a superhero being at the forefront since while I did enjoy the Avengers for the most part, it left a bit to be desired, but make no mistake, I'm not trying to start a debate/flame war on that.

All I'm saying is that after reading comic book stories like Birthright and the Earth 1 origin in how they did their alien invasions in stories that dealt with Superman's debut, along with how we've heard that Zod will have quite a armada with him at his disposal, well when you add that to what Superman is capable of doing on his own mixed with Snyder's visual flare and a team up combination of Goyer and Nolan, the possibilities are endless.

 

[jacobed]

Nolan has nothing to do with this movie anymore. He came in to get the movie off the ground, hire a director and leave it to him. His role now is nothing more than protecting Snyder from WB. The movie we see will be 100% Snyder's thus he deserves all the praise/hate.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Singer never made anything as wildly acclaimed or successful as Inception.

I mean, there'll be people who'll just label us 'Nolanites' for stating that, but it's the truth. Inception is considered to be one of the greatest Sci-Fi films of our era (along with District 9, The Matrix, Moon, etc).

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Singer was on par for many of the same accolades...until he made SR.

No Oscar nods (Nolan's been Nominated twice), no commercially successful films outside of X1 & X2 and even those films made alot less at the BO than INCEPTION.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Singer never made anything as wildly acclaimed or successful as Inception.

Or Memento, or TDK, or TDKR.

Singer is nowhere near Nolan's level.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Nolan has nothing to do with this movie anymore. He came in to get the movie off the ground, hire a director and leave it to him. His role now is nothing more than protecting Snyder from WB. The movie we see will be 100% Snyder's thus he deserves all the praise/hate.

90% of this is true, but you have to take into account that Nolan did have input in the script.

 

[charl_huntress]

Singer never made anything as wildly acclaimed or successful as Inception.

“Humans see what they want to see.” As I did with SR...

Don't take my hate for SR to mean more than I am not convinced until I see the movie.