All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 3

[Herolee10]

One thing that I hope MOS achieves that I think other films have somewhat failed at, is really capturing and capitalizing the reaction of the public across the world in MOS from when Superman debuts.

I mean if Snyder is successful in creating a world that resembles ours, then it’d have to be a pretty HUGE phenomenon for when Superman debuts onto the scene. I don’t want the corny reactions that we saw from the so called people of NY in Spiderman 1 for that montage sequence. I want some realistic portrayals, with like news coverage of people expressing their opinions about Superman.And I bet the government and the public would be less thrilled once word gets out that Superman is a alien

 

[Godzilla2014]

One thing that I hope MOS achieves that I think other films have somewhat failed at, is really capturing and capitalizing the reaction of the public across the world in MOS from when Superman debuts.

I mean if Snyder is successful in creating a world that resembles ours, then it’d have to be a pretty HUGE phenomenon for when Superman debuts onto the scene. I don’t want the corny reactions that we saw from the so called people of NY in Spiderman 1 for that montage sequence. I want some realistic portrayals, with like news coverage of people expressing their opinions about Superman.And I bet the government and the public would be less thrilled once word gets out that Superman is a alien

I agree wholeheartedly!

 

[Rust]

Yep, I also want a bigger story, a more universal story if you will.

Regarding the story, I'm still really exited to see what they're cooking up. You sometimes forget what motivated this reboot. An approach to Superman that extited Nolan himself:

"…What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago, you know thrashing out where we might move on from The Dark Knight, we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said ‘by the way, I think I know how you approach Superman‘.. and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I’ve been able to conceive of how you’d address Superman in a modern context I thought it was a really exciting idea. What you have to remember about Batman and Superman is that what makes them the best superhero characters there are, the most beloved after all this time, is the essence of who they were when they were created, when they were first developed. You can’t move too far away from that.”


A nice little reminder IMO.
Damn, this still almost sounds to good. It HAS to be good.

 

[Herolee10]

Yep, I also want a bigger story, a more universal story if you will.

Regarding the story, I'm still really exited to see what they're cooking up. You sometimes forget what motivated this reboot. An approach to Superman that extited Nolan himself:

"…What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago, you know thrashing out where we might move on from The Dark Knight, we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said ‘by the way, I think I know how you approach Superman‘.. and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I’ve been able to conceive of how you’d address Superman in a modern context I thought it was a really exciting idea. What you have to remember about Batman and Superman is that what makes them the best superhero characters there are, the most beloved after all this time, is the essence of who they were when they were created, when they were first developed. You can’t move too far away from that.”


A nice little reminder IMO.
Damn, this still almost sounds to good. It HAS to be good.

I would hope so; though like someone had once so wisely said; what a person may do well with one character may not work with another character.

I mean, I remember on how everyone was happy when news first broke out that Singer would be attached to direct the next superman movie, given his success with the first two x men films, and we all know on what became of it.

But in any case, I have more faith in Nolan and Goyer in this new concept of theirs regarding Superman than I had in Singer Pre SR.

Right now, it's pretty much DO or DIE for Superman. He can't have a medicore film performance. HE needs a critically and financially successful one if we are to see him in the films without him taking another two decade break.

 

[sf2]

may i ask why do we have more faith in Nolan and Goyer of their new concept??? what is their new concept btw?

 

[Rust]

Kevin Costner
Russel Crowe
Michael Shannon
Christopher Meloni

Now if only we could put them in the same scene.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Kevin Costner
Russel Crowe
Michael Shannon
Christopher Meloni

Now if only we could put them in the same scene.

Zod will beat Jonathan to death with Jor-El's body while Christopher Meloni watches.

 

[Superark]

The supporting cast of this project has been coming together nicely. I'm stoked about Crowe's involvement!

I'm not going to lie, when I saw the recent promotional photos of Chris Hemsworth with Chris Evans, I became really jealous that we didn't get Hemsworth for Superman before he chose Thor. He has such a great look for the role. Oh well!

 

[Sabaoth]

may i ask why do we have more faith in Nolan and Goyer of their new concept??? what is their new concept btw?

As long as Superman is not depicted as some christ figure, I'm sure it will be fine.
I hope the whole boyscout image has been discarded.
No more "beacon of hope" or "light to show the way" bs.

I don't want this Superman to be able to utter the stupid line used by Tom Welling as Smallville ended, and say something as foolish as, "I want to be their hero."

 

[Lead Cenobite]

I can understand not liking the Christ metaphors, but what exactly is wrong with Superman being a "beacon of hope"? Do you just want him to be a mindless action hero and not actually have any depth?

 

[Sabaoth]

I can understand not liking the Christ metaphors, but what exactly is wrong with Superman being a "beacon of hope"? Do you just want him to be a mindless action hero and not actually have any depth?

I think the "beacon of hope" and "light that shows the way" are allusions to the christ metaphor.
Superman should be a beacon of mysterious and the impossible.
I don't think there is any depth in Clark deciding to become a superhero because it's "morally the right thing to do."
I want Clark to become Superman because he has to, not because he thinks it would be nice to save people, so they can have someone to look up to, like they did in the final season of Smallville, which was drenched in "I will be the a hero because it's right and good" crappola.

MOS will be a modern take on Supes, so I'm not worried about being disappointed.

 

[Indy Flash]

I think the "beacon of hope" and "light that shows the way" are allusions to the christ metaphor.
Superman should be a beacon of mysterious and the impossible.
I don't think there is any depth in Clark deciding to become a superhero because it's "morally the right thing to do."
I want Clark to become Superman because he has to, not because he thinks it would be nice to save people, so they can have someone to look up to, like they did in the final season of Smallville, which was drenched in "I will be the a hero because it's right and good" crappola.

MOS will be a modern take on Supes, so I'm not worried about being disappointed.

Thats what they said on smallville about a beacon so I see no problem with the flim.

 

[Motown Marvel]

I think the "beacon of hope" and "light that shows the way" are allusions to the christ metaphor.
Superman should be a beacon of mysterious and the impossible.
I don't think there is any depth in Clark deciding to become a superhero because it's "morally the right thing to do."
I want Clark to become Superman because he has to, not because he thinks it would be nice to save people, so they can have someone to look up to, like they did in the final season of Smallville, which was drenched in "I will be the a hero because it's right and good" crappola.

MOS will be a modern take on Supes, so I'm not worried about being disappointed.

dude, he becomes superman because its the right thing for him to do. not because he has to. the latter would be awful, and completely goes against superman as a character.

 

[--Zero-Ethic--]

I think the "beacon of hope" and "light that shows the way" are allusions to the christ metaphor.
Superman should be a beacon of mysterious and the impossible.
I don't think there is any depth in Clark deciding to become a superhero because it's "morally the right thing to do."
I want Clark to become Superman because he has to, not because he thinks it would be nice to save people, so they can have someone to look up to, like they did in the final season of Smallville, which was drenched in "I will be the a hero because it's right and good" crappola.

MOS will be a modern take on Supes, so I'm not worried about being disappointed.

Nolan is quoted as saying that the fundamental things Superman believes in and stands for are necessary to reboot the franchise.
Not wanting to be a hero and then doing it because he has to do it is not at all like the Superman I've known, and I think most people would agree.

 

[GreenKToo]

I doubt we have to worry about the reasons why he does it at all.
I'm more worried about the suit than I am that.

 

[blueboy2010]

I think the "beacon of hope" and "light that shows the way" are allusions to the christ metaphor.
Superman should be a beacon of mysterious and the impossible.
I don't think there is any depth in Clark deciding to become a superhero because it's "morally the right thing to do."
I want Clark to become Superman because he has to, not because he thinks it would be nice to save people, so they can have someone to look up to, like they did in the final season of Smallville, which was drenched in "I will be the a hero because it's right and good" crappola.

MOS will be a modern take on Supes, so I'm not worried about being disappointed.

Don't take any notice of anything in Smallville. It's garbage.

 

[blueboy2010]

I doubt we have to worry about the reasons why he does it at all.
I'm more worried about the suit than I am that.

True.

 

[merced]

I'm guessing that is the case. I see little talk of a sequel from official sources.

Even SHH doesn't have an MOS Sequels thread - as they do with GL, Thor and others.

Is this because WB loses the rights to Clark, Lois and Jimmy after 2012?

It's like all 3 are in MOS but can't be in potential sequel.

My take is there can't be a sequel to MOS so I hope Snyder does something dramatic in the film like maybe kil off Big Blue.

 

[The Sage]

There is a Superman Sequels sections...

It'll depend on how MOS is received. If it does well, sequels will most likely follow.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Plus, GL, Thor, etc. we already close to release/released....... MOS is like a year and a half away

 

[merced]

There is a Superman Sequels sections...

It'll depend on how MOS is received. If it does well, sequels will most likely follow.

But WB can't use a lot of the stuff in MOS after 2012.

The lawsuit looks like it will not be settled and the character at best will be split between WB and the heirs.

Plus, as I understandd it, the only reason WB is doing the film is because the court ordered them to get something out by 2012 or face millions in potential damages.

As to how well received I have to think WB is a bit nervous, more than they were, about MOS after GL's poor performance.

BOMojo has a great piece on the less than stellar performance so far this year of comic book films.

They say 2012 year will be different with huge hits expected from Avengers, Batman and Spiderman. They don't even mention MOS so some in the industry it seems aren't expecting a strong performance.

 

[--Zero-Ethic--]

But WB can't use a lot of the stuff in MOS after 2012.

The lawsuit looks like it will not be settled and the character at best will be split between WB and the heirs.

Plus, as I understandd it, the only reason WB is doing the film is because the court ordered them to get something out by 2012 or face millions in potential damages.

As to how well received I have to think WB is a bit nervous, more than they were, about MOS after GL's poor performance.

BOMojo has a great piece on the less than stellar performance so far this year of comic book films.

They say 2012 year will be different with huge hits expected from Avengers, Batman and Spiderman. They don't even mention MOS so some in the industry it seems aren't expecting a strong performance.

The last time I read about the lawsuit, it said that apparently, DC and Warner can continue with the current form of Superman in whatever medium as long as it's created before the end of 2012. So the new film could have sequels seeing as the basis it set down before the lawsuit takes effect.
Not too sure if it's true, maybe somebody can clarify in here.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Actually that was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about (except that Superman would oppose the Iraq War thing, since I will try to refrain from a political debate, and I don't want to turn Superman into a mouthpiece for my political views. Though I did bring the issue up in my post.) It was about how many of his detractors see him. By simple, I meant in that Superman adheres fairly rigidly to a strict moral code, and he doesn't have many flaws as a character. This moral code often comes off as being rather simple, so thus the character is seen by many detractors to be simple and cartoonish, and therefore, irrelevant to the melting pot of ideas that is our modern world.

In short, I agree with you. Superman as a concept isn't the problem, it's in the execution. I want Man of Steel to put Superman in a situation that challenges his moral and philosophical preconceptions, much like The Dark Knight did with Batman.
.

I just don't think it does. I don't think there is anything simple about knowing right from wrong with such confidence.

I am not a hero. I try to be a good person, but my morals are very shakey. It's hard to know right from wrong. That's not simple at all.

If you want to see Superman questioning his morals, that's what Red K is for. But I think it'd kind of be dissapointing to have Superman be imperfect morally in this film. To me, that's more important to keep in tact than all his powers.

 

[Sabaoth]

I'm guessing that is the case. I see little talk of a sequel from official sources.

Even SHH doesn't have an MOS Sequels thread - as they do with GL, Thor and others.

Is this because WB loses the rights to Clark, Lois and Jimmy after 2012?

It's like all 3 are in MOS but can't be in potential sequel.

My take is there can't be a sequel to MOS so I hope Snyder does something dramatic in the film like maybe kil off Big Blue.

You need not worry.
The "no sequel because WB loses the right story" is just a rumor peddled by a few who don't have Superman's interests at heart, and hope to confuse the fanbase into thinking that there may not be any sequels.
Just ignore them.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

I'm guessing that is the case. I see little talk of a sequel from official sources.

Even SHH doesn't have an MOS Sequels thread - as they do with GL, Thor and others.

Is this because WB loses the rights to Clark, Lois and Jimmy after 2012?

It's like all 3 are in MOS but can't be in potential sequel.

My take is there can't be a sequel to MOS so I hope Snyder does something dramatic in the film like maybe kil off Big Blue.

Kill off Big Blue in his origin movie. Dude stop. If this film is successful then it will get a sequel.