All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 3

[dark_b]

I thought Devin = Bull ****?

i dont know.

but i do know how fanboy brain works :
dont like it = false
like it = true

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

but i do know how fanboy brain works :
dont like it = false
like it = true

Hammer meet nail.

 

[HighFivingMF]

i dont know.

but i do know how fanboy brain works :
dont like it = false
like it = true

I don't care either way. I'll figure out whether or not it's good myself. But I thought nobody believed Devin.

 

[merced]

It seems like a slightly flippant statement that's been thrown in. Either way, we shall see what happens. I'd be more concerned about the wider scale of things if I was in at WB.

Right now it seems WB are panicking like mad since they've got only Batman to look forward to as a successful franchise considering Harry Potter's almost done and nothing else seems to be on the horizon.

Maybe they should consider trying to support up and coming filmmakers instead of depending on franchises consistently. I mean this is the studio that gives Eastwood, Nolan and Scorsese (on a lesser scale) free reign.

Surely instead of just following the superhero trend and handing out paychecks on demand they should work on finding more talented directors, letting them get developed through smaller films and groom them to become blockbuster directors.

I agree.

WB is likely panicking now. They need to step back and realize that they don't have to put out a comic book film every year to match Marvel. Marvel has that niche sown up.

WB should focus on book-to-film which is it's strong suit.

As for the franchises, I am sure WB is worried about MOS. MOJO's article didn't pick MOS to be one of the successful comic films of 2012. So there is a lot of skepticism about Suprman and movies out there.

As to comic franchises specifically WB should forget doing a film for 2013. Instead use Batman to leverage a JL film in 2014. Superman can't be in it because of the lawsuit so the premise could be the Man of Steel is missing and presumed dead. A world scale threat is facing Earth and Batman brings together 2 or 3 other heroes to confront the threat.

If the film is a success then take the character most appealing to audiences and give that character a solo film.

Seems like the logical way to go. We'll see if WB takes that course.

 

[TheIncredibleSk]

SMH. Mojo could be wrong you know. Like I keep saying if this film is sucessful it will get a sequel no doubt about it. Also you don't making a CBM because one does bad. You see what you did wrong and try again and do better.

 

[BlueLantern]

I agree.

WB is likely panicking now. They need to step back and realize that they don't have to put out a comic book film every year to match Marvel. Marvel has that niche sown up.

WB should focus on book-to-film which is it's strong suit.

As for the franchises, I am sure WB is worried about MOS. MOJO's article didn't pick MOS to be one of the successful comic films of 2012. So there is a lot of skepticism about Suprman and movies out there.

As to comic franchises specifically WB should forget doing a film for 2013. Instead use Batman to leverage a JL film in 2014. Superman can't be in it because of the lawsuit so the premise could be the Man of Steel is missing and presumed dead. A world scale threat is facing Earth and Batman brings together 2 or 3 other heroes to confront the threat.

If the film is a success then take the character most appealing to audiences and give that character a solo film.

Seems like the logical way to go. We'll see if WB takes that course.

I think the Superman lawsuit will get resolved, I don't see it not getting resolved, there's too much at stake long term.

In terms of films on a yearly basis, WB and DC should forget doing franchise films and concentrate on one offs.

They wanna do a Hawkman feature? Great do it, but don't make it an overtly comic book film. Use the mythos of the character to make something epic.

I for one would love to see a film based in Ancient Egypt where Katar Hol and Shayera Hol built an entire civilization through Thanagarian technology but then battle the Ancient Egyptian Gods who retaliate to the threat to their power.

Do a similar thing with Martian Manhunter. Use the mythos to make an epic war drama based on the two brothers and their conflict and destruction of the Martian race. Use the likenesses to create tentpole films that aren't aiming for franchises but just aiming to be good films.

 

[Sabaoth]

interesting............

''and as of right now nobody is completely confident in the script they have.''

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/06...s-saying-theyre-making-a-green-lantern-sequel

Yeah, right.
The ''and as of right now nobody is completely confident in the script they have'' line is just fanboy serving an old rumor in an attempt to make himself sound knowledgeable to prop up a link to a story on THR.

And then at THR, where there is no mention of MOS, of course, we have this tidbit concerning Green Lantern,
"Sources say Warners still believes in the franchise, even if the studio is 'somewhat disappointed' with Green Lantern’s result."

Yeah. Right. The "Sources" are saying it and not Warners.
It ain't happening!
It may make a good story on a Sunday afternoon, but it ain't gonna happen.

 

[merced]

Yeah, right.
The ''and as of right now nobody is completely confident in the script they have'' line is just fanboy serving an old rumor in an attempt to make himself sound knowledgeable to prop up a link to a story on THR.

And then at THR, where there is no mention of MOS, of course, we have this tidbit concerning Green Lantern,
"Sources say Warners still believes in the franchise, even if the studio is 'somewhat disappointed' with Green Lantern’s result."

Yeah. Right. The "Sources" are saying it and not Warners.
It ain't happening!
It may make a good story on a Sunday afternoon, but it ain't gonna happen.

The thing I find interesting about these stories that WB is set to move ahead with a GL sequel despite the poor performance is that WB never was so positive about SR in the month or so after it's disappointing debut - let alone in it's second week.

As I recall it was late August 2006 when Horn said WB might consider an SR sequel but only if the film crossed the 200 million mark domestically.

 

[Sabaoth]

I agree.

WB is likely panicking now. They need to step back and realize that they don't have to put out a comic book film every year to match Marvel. Marvel has that niche sown up.

WB should focus on book-to-film which is it's strong suit.

As for the franchises, I am sure WB is worried about MOS. MOJO's article didn't pick MOS to be one of the successful comic films of 2012. So there is a lot of skepticism about Suprman and movies out there.

As to comic franchises specifically WB should forget doing a film for 2013. Instead use Batman to leverage a JL film in 2014. Superman can't be in it because of the lawsuit so the premise could be the Man of Steel is missing and presumed dead. A world scale threat is facing Earth and Batman brings together 2 or 3 other heroes to confront the threat.

If the film is a success then take the character most appealing to audiences and give that character a solo film.

Seems like the logical way to go. We'll see if WB takes that course.

In regards to the legal situation Superman is in,
the only logical way to go, is for all parties involved (WB, heirs, Toberoff) to come to an agreement, otherwise everyone loses money, and nobody wants to lose money, right?
An agreement will likely happen.
Otherwise, who knows, maybe there will be two versions of Superman as has been suggested?
We don't know. No one can know. Not even Kurosawa.
I don't care about Toberoff, or how WB got their hands on his files.
All that matters to me, as a Superman fan, is that whatever is done ensures Superman continues without interruption in all media, I care about the character.
I don't care about the attorney whose files were taken, the heirs, or the WB; I just care about the big red 'S'.
Unfortunately, there are some people who desire a victory for the heirs that involves WB never doing anything with Superman again, thereby destroying the Man of Steel we've always known.
If that is the victory they desire, then I say, screw 'em!

 

[Sabaoth]

The thing I find interesting about these stories that WB is set to move ahead with a GL sequel despite the poor performance is that WB never was so positive about SR in the month or so after it's disappointing debut - let alone in it's second week.

As I recall it was late August 2006 when Horn said WB might consider an SR sequel but only if the film crossed the 200 million mark domestically.

WB has made no statement concerning a sequel, all we have here are anonymous "sources."

GL is a total commercial failure.

They sure as hell ain't going to do no sequel!

 

[GreenKToo]

I find it hard to believe that they could snag crowe for his first ever CB film if they werent sure about the script. He ain't that desperate for work.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I find it hard to believe that they could snag crowe for his first ever CB film if they werent sure about the script. He ain't that desperate for work.

He hasn't been able to open a movie in years and he's well-regarded as being a pain-in-the-butt on set. He needs The Man of Steel more than The Man of Steel needs him. That's why he's doing it and the quality of the script is irrelevant.

 

[GreenKToo]

But, at the same time, if the script stinks it up, wouldn't it hurt him more than help him?
I mean yeah, he'd be in the film, and have work, but he would also been known for being in a failure ( hypothetically speaking of course ).

I don't know. The article may be correct. It just seems to me he would want a hit at this point.
I just really hate the thought of another GL on our hands.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

But, at the same time, if the script stinks it up, wouldn't it hurt him more than help him?
I mean yeah, he'd be in the film, and have work, but he would also been known for being in a failure ( hypothetically speaking ).
I don't know. The article may be correct. It just seems to me he would want a hit at this point.

Wouldn't be the first (or last) time someone takes a pay job knowing the script stinks but thinking "Hey, it's a big commercial movie that gets my name out there!"

Brando and Hackman signed on for Superman and Superman II back when it was going to be a camp-fest. Way before Donner and Mankiewicz were hired and made it work.

 

[GreenKToo]

true...I forgot about that.
Gawd, I hope like he11 they get it polished up.

 

[merced]

true...I forgot about that.
Gawd, I hope like he11 they get it polished up.

If it's true the script is not so good then what can you say. There is absolutely no excuse for that. This film has the odds stacked strongly against it next year. lack of interest in Superman, the dismal SR, hellish competition in December 12 from The Hobbit - likley to be among th top 4 biggest films ever.

It's discouraging but I'm not surprised at these persistent rumors. I'm sticking with my MOS does 250 million prediction. OK but not spectacular and WB being disappointed -but not as much as it was with SR.

 

[bgshw44]

i dont understand how they could STILL be unsure about the script/story. i thought the nolan brothers came in and saved this thing once goyer couldnt get through the third act.this movie has been in development for years now with nolan attached. there is no excuse for everything not to be lined up perfectly.

 

[merced]

i dont understand how they could STILL be unsure about the script/story. i thought the nolan brothers came in and saved this thing once goyer couldnt get through the third act.this movie has been in development for years now with nolan attached. there is no excuse for everything not to be lined up perfectly.

Maybe there is something to that Superman curse!

If MOS underperfoms as did SR then whomever ends up with the rights after 2012 will have didlly squat. This is Superman's last chance. If it fails then the franchise goes to the grave a la Flash Gordon.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

WB has made no statement concerning a sequel, all we have here are anonymous "sources."

GL is a total commercial failure.

They sure as hell ain't going to do no sequel!

And you also know what costume Snyder will use in MOS! Boy you know a lot of stuff with complete certitude. I wish I had your sources.

Green Lantern may only make 200 to 250 worldwide (it has opened everywhere yet so it could be more) but add in endorsements from cell phones, fast food, Merchandising/toys, DVD/Blu-ray and Creative Hollywood accounting (EG writing of potential losses on WB's tax bill) and the fact they want to create a franchise, and it's not as cut and dry as you seem to think. A sequel would likely cost much less, due to the fact a lot of the logistics for creating a big production like this, was solved for the initial movie.


The DVD/Blu-Ray should get a lot of people to see the movie that didn't see it in the theatres, and some of those people might potentially go and see the sequel in a theatre. Factor in that WB's likely needs a tentpole action flick for summer 2013 (could be the Flash, but probably not) and a sequel starts to look not completely beyond the realms of possibility.

 

[bgshw44]

Maybe there is something to that Superman curse!

If MOS underperfoms as did SR then whomever ends up with the rights after 2012 will have didlly squat. This is Superman's last chance. If it fails then the franchise goes to the grave a la Flash Gordon.

i truly am not concerned, regardless of what these sources have to say. honestly, nolan has never striked me as the type of person to put money ahead of his reputation. he is not putting his name on the line if he didnt have confidence in the end product. now, if he drops his affilitation before release, then i will start to panic haha

 

[GreenKToo]

*IF* it's true, maybe they are trying to overcomplicate superman. He is not some enigma wrapped in a mystery that needs figuring out..He is a straight up, raised in the midwest, boy scout who not only knows right from wrong, he backs it up with deeds.
Just give us a straight up superman story with plenty of action and you'll have a hit.
No need in reinventing the wheel. Just put some splash on the one you have.

 

[bgshw44]

*IF* it's true, maybe they are trying to overcomplicate superman. He is not some enigma wrapped in a mystery that needs figuring out..He is a straight up, raised in the midwest, boy scout who not only knows right from wrong, he backs it up with deeds.
Just give us a straight up superman story with plenty of action and you'll have a hit.

i agree. i never thought superman was that hard of a concept, yet it has eluded most people to translate on screen.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

"There’s hope for The Man of Steel, but the Superman franchise has been tricky at best and as of right now nobody is completely confident in the script they have."




That whole 'as of now...' line reeks of made up BS just to flesh out the article. It's to give the impression that the writer has connections, and an inside line to the production. He didn't even say " someone close to the producers told me X, Y or Z" which means he might have heard this rumour ten times removed from the original source, or just simply made it up!

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

That sounds like old news. I remember something about problems with the script months ago.

It sounds like the supposed third act problems rumour from a few months back.

 

[dark_b]

*IF* it's true, maybe they are trying to overcomplicate superman. He is not some enigma wrapped in a mystery that needs figuring out..He is a straight up, raised in the midwest, boy scout who not only knows right from wrong, he backs it up with deeds.
Just give us a straight up superman story with plenty of action and you'll have a hit.
No need in reinventing the wheel. Just put some splash on the one you have.

while this is true you stilll need some drema. even if its forced drama.