All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 38

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Well, I said "ultimate source,"...maybe "symbolic ultimate source" would be a better word choice? :oldrazz: Because I agree, I want the Kents (especially Martha) to instill his "goodness" in him in the way they raise him, I really hope that comes across on screen.

me too!
 
After reading that probably fake trailer description, I was thinking that, too. may explain why Faora is so much stronger than Zod and Superman ( if you are to believe that description ). she's a genetically engineered specimen.
Wouldn't whatever genetical augmentation be a spec of dirt under the godly augmentation by an yellow sun?

Does it matter if Supes is, say a strength of 10 and Faora a 15 under Rao when they are both over a million under an yellow sun?
 
EW is reporting that there is no Kryptonite present in the film.
 
Behind the soulful new 'Man of Steel'

The makers of Man of Steel had to start thinking like a cadre of supervillains: how do you get under Superman’s invincible skin and really make him hurt?

This week’s cover story reveals how the new film (out June 14) attempts to humanize the superhuman by finding new flaws and vulnerabilities. The most common one, however, was off the table: “I’ll be honest with you, there’s no Kryptonite in the movie,” says director Zack Snyder (300, Watchmen) Those glowing green space rocks – Superman’s only crippling weakness – have turned up so often as a plot point in movies, the only fresh option was not to use it. Anyway, if you want to make an audience relate to a character, a galactic allergy isn’t the way to do it.

Henry Cavill (Immortals), the latest star to wear the red cape, instead plays a Superman who isn’t fully comfortable with that god-like title. This film reveals that even on Krypton, young Kal-El was a special child, whose birth was cause for alarm on his home planet. (More on that in the magazine) And once on Earth, his adoptive parents, Ma and Pa Kent (Kevin Costner and Diane Lane), urge him not to use his immense strength – even in dire emergencies — warning that not every human would be as accepting of him as they are. So Clark Kent grows up feeling isolated, longing for a connection to others, and constantly hiding who he is. As a result, Man of Steel presents the frustrated Superman, the angry Superman, the lost Superman. “Although he is not susceptible to the frailties of mankind, he is definitely susceptible to the emotional frailties,” Cavill says.

That’s just the set-up. Once the Kryptonian villain General Zod (Boardwalk Empire’s Michael Shannon) arrives to threaten the Earth, eventually the passionate Superman steps forward, too. It helps that he has a reason to care about the home he’s defending, and we can all thank Amy Adams’ Lois Lane for that. “I think she’s very transient. She’s ready to pick up and go at a moment’s notice,” Adams says of the hard-bitten journalist. “I think that definitely could be part of what she sees in Superman — not really laying down roots, not developing trust.”

Based on footage EW has seen, the film (which was directed by Zack Snyder and shepherded by Christopher Nolan) has plenty of building-smashing, train-slinging, heat-vision-blasting battles to cut through the emotional heaviness. “You want to give the audience great spectacle. You want them to go to the movie, be eating their popcorn and be like, ‘Wow!’” says Man of Steel producer Chuck Roven, who also worked on The Dark Knight trilogy. “But it’s just not good enough to give them the ‘Wow.’ You want them to be emotionally engaged. Because if you just have the ‘wow,’ ultimately you get bludgeoned by that and you stop caring.”

Those who’ve long felt the super-confident, super-controlled Superman has gotten super dull may be glad to see him finally challenged in ways that go beyond bullets bouncing off of his chest.

BEAUTIFULLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha!! I go away for a little bit and now THIS!!! I knew there was more to you than money!!! :D :D :D lol

Hmm...the part that's new info for me in this is where they mention that Clark was a "special child" even on Krypton in regards to his birth and how it caused Jor-el and Lara to be alarmed at first. I wonder what that's all about.

PLEAAAAAAAASEEEEEEE no prophecies. Seriously, I massively have my fingers crossed that's not what that means...

But I guess i'll have to deal if it is :(

That's exactly how I feel about the whole "prophecy, messiah" (forced) allegory people have tried to give Superman. I agree with you 100%, I REALLY don't want another Superman movie with quasi-religious overtones or is a quasi-religious allegory. That is not Superman, and what I was worried about from the moment the bits about him being a kryptonian prince and the "prophecy" bits started showing up. My fingers are crossed very tightly too.


Maybe Kal El rightly births a prophecy of doom into Krypton, not hope? Or perhaps both, paradoxically. A controversial child. The doom belonging to Krypton, the hope belonging to a distant primitive planet called Earth.

^^ That is very interesting.

No, I understand the mechanics. My point is an odd, almost impossible birth, screams virgin birth. It has huge religious overtones.

I am really, really, hoping NOT for that. Really, really not necessary for a Superman movie. I would like religious overtones kept as far away as possible here. Superman is much more of a Moses figure than he is a Christ figure anyway if we are to draw that allegory, so I hope if there is a religious overtone, it's one more allegorical of Moses than Christ in this case.

I think that's an interesting way to go as well, and would definitely be cause for alarm since extra-uteran (conception outside the womb) conception would allow doctors to "engineer" the children and remove any abnormalities or whatnot. Natural conception, to them after a few generations would be almost unheard of, especially in a metropolitan area like Kandor.

Kudos :up:


I think that is really cool, but I somehow very much doubt it's the case and feel it's probably a religious overtone type of thing hollywood seems so in love with. :dry:
 
Wouldn't whatever genetical augmentation be a spec of dirt under the godly augmentation by an yellow sun?

Does it matter if Supes is, say a strength of 10 and Faora a 15 under Rao when they are both over a million under an yellow sun?

well, maybe because she's genetically augmentated, she'd be even MORE powerful under the yellow sun than Superman, who was not genetically augmented.

maybe Zod was aware of the effects of a yellow sun and that was part of Faora's augmentation.......constant bombardment with yellow sun rays......

also, maybe this is the reason why Zod and his followers were arrested and banished to the Phantom Zone or whatever prison.

Zod was engaged in creating "super-soldiers" and that was against Kryptonians laws or something.......
 
If that theory of genetically engineered warriors is true, then I do believe that Zod is probably one of the last naturally conceived children on Krypton before Kal-El
 
Maybe that is why Faora is incapable of emotion? Maybe Faora is a test tube baby. What do you guys think of Zod? Test tube baby or one of the last natural births on Krypton before Kal-El?

Where are people getting that the kryptonians don't have natural births on their planets in MOS? Because I haven't seen anything to indicate that ANYWHERE thus far. :huh:
 
Reading this synopsis.....it really feels like they just polished JJ Abrams script, and replaced Ty-Zor with Zod.
 
Where are people getting that the kryptonians don't have natural births on their planets in MOS? Because I haven't seen anything to indicate that ANYWHERE thus far. :huh:

The EW preview said he was special on Krypton. So other than being the first natural birth on Krypton in generations then what would else would make him so special on Krypton?
 
Where are people getting that the kryptonians don't have natural births on their planets in MOS? Because I haven't seen anything to indicate that ANYWHERE thus far. :huh:

It's pure speculation at this point, originating from the article Godfrey posted about "even on Krypton, Kal-El's birth...was cause for alarm" (paraphrasing)

We're all trying to figure out why that would be, and thus stumbled upon a conclusion that maybe Kryptonians no longer practice natural conception by Jor-El's time, and the rest...

EDIT: What Kal-El.9859 said :hehe:
 
Reading this synopsis.....it really feels like they just polished JJ Abrams script, and replaced Ty-Zor with Zod.

That what Jamie has been practically saying all along. I think this whole project from the suit to the script is an amalgamation of past Superman projects and I have no problem with that. The fact is they made this movie to keep the rights and they had to do something.
 
Where are people getting that the kryptonians don't have natural births on their planets in MOS? Because I haven't seen anything to indicate that ANYWHERE thus far. :huh:

I'd said something a couple of pages ago (On the bottom of the page) about the natural birth thing. Just a theory I was throwing out there.
 
I didn't mean my statement as a complaint(I saw some really good things in Abrams script). I just find it interesting how the more we here the more it seems to resemble that script.
 
I didn't mean my statement as a complaint(I saw some really good things in Abrams script). I just find it interesting how the more we here the more it seems to resemble that script.

It's because a lot of elements both big and small were taken from that script.
 
It's because a lot of elements both big and small were taken from that script.

I have heard about the Abrams script, but could you give me a clue of what these elements are? This sounds kinda of like Batman Begins.
 
It's because a lot of elements both big and small were taken from that script.

Which is the biggest one? I have read some parts of that script and I haven't found any similarity, except for the suit, obviously
 
If that theory of genetically engineered warriors is true, then I do believe that Zod is probably one of the last naturally conceived children on Krypton before Kal-El

Yeah and maybe Jor-El and Lara's decision to have a natural birth (and maybe Jor-El's stance on interplanetary travel) causes controversy on Krypton as well as causes Jor-El to fall out of the good graces of the council, which would then lead to complications later when he tries to convince them of Krypton's imminent doom.
 
I didn't mean my statement as a complaint(I saw some really good things in Abrams script). I just find it interesting how the more we here the more it seems to resemble that script.
Well, they're using the good concepts -- and hopfully cutting out the horrible dialogue and generally ridiculousness.
 
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That what Jamie has been practically saying all along. I think this whole project from the suit to the script is an amalgamation of past Superman projects and I have no problem with that. The fact is they made this movie to keep the rights and they had to do something.

This is interesting. I never read much of JJ's Flyby so I can't offer any thoughts, but as long as this Superman movie delivers in the right way I'll be happy with it. And so far, it is indeed looking so.
 
Yeah and maybe Jor-El and Lara's decision to have a natural birth (and maybe Jor-El's stance on interplanetary travel) causes controversy on Krypton as well as causes Jor-El to fall out of the good graces of the council, which would then lead to complications later when he tries to convince them of Krypton's imminent doom.

That could actually fall in line with the film's general concept as well in a way when it comes to the whole "Superman learning to know what it means to be human or understanding humanity in general". The kryptonians could represent on how they're leaning more towards wisdom than following emotions, etc while the likes of Zod could represent the group that favor physical superiority as a means of ruling the planet and Jor-el who represents the hope of following one's heart and emotions.
 
Where are people getting that the kryptonians don't have natural births on their planets in MOS? Because I haven't seen anything to indicate that ANYWHERE thus far. :huh:

It's a big plot point they'd probably keep under wraps. Today is the first day we've even heard that his birth stirs trouble on Krypton. We're just speculating as to why.
 
What about the suit?

This is an art concept that was made for JJ Abrams Superman back in 2002. MOS suit was clearly inspired on this:

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