All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 4

[NotFadeAway]

I think Zod and Faora are it. I do however hope that a strong presence of Brainiac is felt. You know, just in case a sequel happens.

I still think Eradicator would have been the best choice as a menace from the Kryptonian civilization.

 

[GreenKToo]

The Eradicator would have been fine as well.

 

[Boosted]

cept that his name is the eradicator

 

[I Am The Knight]

Can't wait to see what Zod and Faora look like...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Can't wait to see what Zod and Faora look like...

Nothing special. Zod will look like Michael Shannon, and Faora will look like Lady Gaga, I think.

Oh. I cant wait to see what Perry will look like. Just like the comics, I think

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Also, it should be an ongoing theme in future sequels. There should always be this sort of small contingent that think he's evil or distrust him (but not in a Jonah Jameson way; more in a religious/racial hatred sort of a way). And he should always be working to gain trust. That's realistic.

Totally agreed.

I mean, I think the US government/military should reach an agreement with him by the end of the first film, because I don't want Superman to be an outlaw or a vigilante.

But you can't convince every single member of the public that Superman is to be completely trusted. Some people will stay suspicious, and others will continue to rally against him.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Totally agreed.

I mean, I think the US government/military should reach an agreement with him by the end of the first film, because I don't want Superman to be an outlaw or a vigilante.

But you can't convince every single member of the public that Superman is to be completely trusted. Some people will stay suspicious, and others will continue to rally against him.

Surely MOTHER RUSSIA would have a say in the matter? If Superman is officially deputized by the USA, other countries would have something to say? And since this is a real world look of Superman, it's bound to happen

 

[Sabaoth]

Totally agreed.

I mean, I think the US government/military should reach an agreement with him by the end of the first film, because I don't want Superman to be an outlaw or a vigilante.

But you can't convince every single member of the public that Superman is to be completely trusted. Some people will stay suspicious, and others will continue to rally against him.

Remember Dan Goyer, who wrote the screenplay for MOS, also wrote the citizenship story in Action #900. In that now notorious tale, we get a glimpse of how the U.S. government/military deals with a Superman that the world has embraced as a hero for many years. And how do they do that? When Superman is speaking to a government official, there are U.S. military snipers with Kryptonite bullets, hiding in the bushes, intent on taking him down if the need arises.
If this is how Goyer interprets the relationship between a Superman, that has been active for many years, and the U.S. government, that has known about interacted with him for all that time, then it is clear that by the end of the film, the new Superman will likely still be a vigilante. The people of the world may all love him by the end of the movie, but governments can't.
Remember, even if the U.S. gov were to trust Superman and know him to be a good fellow, it would be totally irresponsible of them to not develop the means to take him out in case one day he were to go rogue, be controlled by another being, or switch allegiances.
And after having to deal with (or at least witness the fury of) Zod and Faora, there is no doubt the military will see Superman as a high potential threat, no matter how much good he does.
I guess that will be the new status quo in the comics as well.

 

[Doc Krypton]

At first, I was disappointed with Zod and Faora being the villains, but as I'm hearing more and more about the movie, I think that they chose them for a very good reason. The Nolan Batman films have each had a central theme based around them: BB was fear and TDK was escalation. I think the theme of MoS is alienation and humanity. The point of this film is Clark being lost, as he's unsure if he's human or alien. He has opposition in the form of the human military as well as the Kryptonian Zod and Faora. But it's ultimately because of the Kents that he embraces his humanity and sacrifices his own wants and needs to protect the world, even if some of them might fear him.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Resist! U must! It aggravates me seeing these spies from the sets of films leaking footage from a shoot like some of the stuff that is happening with TDKRises. It's lame.

I'm trying like crazy man...I'm just wanting to see Cavill in full suit then I think I'll call it quits

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Remember Dan Goyer, who wrote the screenplay for MOS, also wrote the citizenship story in Action #900. In that now notorious tale, we get a glimpse of how the U.S. government/military deals with a Superman that the world has embraced as a hero for many years. And how do they do that? When Superman is speaking to a government official, there are U.S. military snipers with Kryptonite bullets, hiding in the bushes, intent on taking him down if the need arises.
If this is how Goyer interprets the relationship between a Superman, that has been active for many years, and the U.S. government, that has known about interacted with him for all that time, then it is clear that by the end of the film, the new Superman will likely still be a vigilante. The people of the world may all love him by the end of the movie, but governments can't.
Remember, even if the U.S. gov were to trust Superman and know him to be a good fellow, it would be totally irresponsible of them to not develop the means to take him out in case one day he were to go rogue, be controlled by another being, or switch allegiances.
And after having to deal with (or at least witness the fury of) Zod and Faora, there is no doubt the military will see Superman as a high potential threat, no matter how much good he does.
I guess that will be the new status quo in the comics as well.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think this film should end with Superman shaking hands with the president, or having the military salute him...

I just don't want a Spiderman 2 style plot where he has to fly off pretty much as soon as the danger is taken care of because he's 'on the run' from the law.

Of course they would have measures put in place in case Superman did something they weren't happy with. That's just common sense.

But they would allow him to go about his business of saving people as long as he didn't show any signs of becoming a danger.

I dunno, we'll see how they handle it.

It's actually one of the things I find hardest to concieve when I try and imagine what they are going to do with this story.

At first, I was disappointed with Zod and Faora being the villains, but as I'm hearing more and more about the movie, I think that they chose them for a very good reason. The Nolan Batman films have each had a central theme based around them: BB was fear and TDK was escalation. I think the theme of MoS is alienation and humanity. The point of this film is Clark being lost, as he's unsure if he's human or alien. He has opposition in the form of the human military as well as the Kryptonian Zod and Faora. But it's ultimately because of the Kents that he embraces his humanity and sacrifices his own wants and needs to protect the world, even if some of them might fear him.

I think it's important that they show how other people in his life affect him too. I'd say Lois and Perry will have a big impact on how he views the hope for humanity.

The Kents are a representation of small town people, simple, kind, upholding good morals and values.

Lois and Perry are influencial people, who are basically doing the same thing as Superman wants to do. Fighting for truth and justice. It's people like that who remind Clark that humanity is worth fighting for, not just his parents.

Kind of like Rachel and Harvey Dent I suppose. 'Good' people who are on the same side as Superman.

And if they have Jimmy in this film, he's a nice third dimension to all that. Someone with all the enthusiasm of Lois, but not so much of the influence.

 

[Rust]

Was just wondering what the official details are regarding Supes' powers.
Is he solely powered by the Sun or does it also have to do with Earth's atmosphere? Would be interesting if he was somewhat limited in that direction in the movie. I'm guessing he cant leave the solar-system then.

On a sidenote, it would be pretty neat if he were to fly to Mercury for instance and gaze into the Sun or something, to ponder or to power up.
I'd like to see some new sides/possibilities to Superman on film and really put a bigger emphasis on the sci-fi aspect.

 

[Superman_200]

Was just wondering what the official details are regarding Supes' powers.
Is he solely powered by the Sun or does it also have to do with Earth's atmosphere? Would be interesting if he was somewhat limited in that direction in the movie. I'm guessing he cant leave the solar-system then.

On a sidenote, it would be pretty neat if he were to fly to Mercury for instance and gaze into the Sun or something, to ponder or to power up.
I'd like to see some new sides/possibilities to Superman on film and really put a bigger emphasis on the sci-fi aspect.

What about if he flew off into space to get a quick tan and lifted a whole island into space? Has that been done? I think not! .... Oh...

 

[Boosted]

superman returns is on FX now. definitely seeing that routh was a better clark than superman. Almost a bit too boyish. but i still love the look of this film. it just tried to insert so much drama where it wasn't necessary.

 

[wspsupes]

Remember Dan Goyer, who wrote the screenplay for MOS, also wrote the citizenship story in Action #900. In that now notorious tale, we get a glimpse of how the U.S. government/military deals with a Superman that the world has embraced as a hero for many years. And how do they do that? When Superman is speaking to a government official, there are U.S. military snipers with Kryptonite bullets, hiding in the bushes, intent on taking him down if the need arises.
If this is how Goyer interprets the relationship between a Superman, that has been active for many years, and the U.S. government, that has known about interacted with him for all that time, then it is clear that by the end of the film, the new Superman will likely still be a vigilante. The people of the world may all love him by the end of the movie, but governments can't.
Remember, even if the U.S. gov were to trust Superman and know him to be a good fellow, it would be totally irresponsible of them to not develop the means to take him out in case one day he were to go rogue, be controlled by another being, or switch allegiances.
And after having to deal with (or at least witness the fury of) Zod and Faora, there is no doubt the military will see Superman as a high potential threat, no matter how much good he does.
I guess that will be the new status quo in the comics as well.

I love this post. I believe this is exactly what the powers that be meant all along when they've been talking about taking the character in a new direction and how they couldn't believe the Brothers Warner hadn't explored it. It's going to give Supes that slight Batman feel the execs have been wanting. This is where we're headed I believe.

 

[Superman_200]

superman returns is on FX now. definitely seeing that routh was a better clark than superman. Almost a bit too boyish. but i still love the look of this film. it just tried to insert so much drama where it wasn't necessary.

Yeah, I just noticed it was on and saw part of it. But the more I see it, the more I see how boring it was. Kevin Spacey was so over the top when he actually can be very good, but in this case he was way over the top.

Why was Superman screaming "I am still Superman" or "I say Superman" or something to that effect while they are beating the crap out of him? I know he said "Superman" and "I... " something while they were beating him up. What was it he was saying and why?

Nothing special. Zod will look like Michael Shannon, and Faora will look like Lady Gaga, I think.

Oh. I cant wait to see what Perry will look like. Just like the comics, I think

Does Zod and Faora have a definitive look in the comic books like Superman or Batman, or are they more open to interpretation? I haven't read the comics, or I have read very little and have never actually gotten to see Zod or Faora in the comics and the pictures online seem like they are all from different time-periods. What does Zod and Faora look like today?

 

[djsunyc]

i'm not sure if this could happen in the first movie but i would really like to see superman question why he is saving and protecting a race that is self destructive...

 

[manofsteel4life]

Yeah, I just noticed it was on and saw part of it. But the more I see it, the more I see how boring it was. Kevin Spacey was so over the top when he actually can be very good, but in this case he was way over the top.

Why was Superman screaming "I am still Superman" or "I say Superman" or something to that effect while they are beating the crap out of him? I know he said "Superman" and "I... " something while they were beating him up. What was it he was saying and why?




Does Zod and Faora have a definitive look in the comic books like Superman or Batman, or are they more open to interpretation? I haven't read the comics, or I have read very little and have never actually gotten to see Zod or Faora in the comics and the pictures online seem like they are all from different time-periods. What does Zod and Faora look like today?

yea i always wondered why he said, at first i thought it was lex mocking him

 

[Superman_200]

i'm not sure if this could happen in the first movie but i would really like to see superman question why he is saving and protecting a race that is self destructive...

That reminded me of "Religulous". I saw that a couple of days ago and it was great. But I imagine that they probably will not use that. I think they will go more the way Birthright goes. That he does it because he cares and is trying to end the destruction, self-inflicted or not because it drives him crazy to just stand idly by knowing that he can change the world.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

i'm not sure if this could happen in the first movie but i would really like to see superman question why he is saving and protecting a race that is self destructive...

I think this is likely something we could see, because Zod will be asking him that very question as he tries to stop him from attempting to take over the world. And it'd be interesting to have them agree on some stuff at first.

It'd be like Ra's Al Ghul and Bruce, both agreeing that there is need for change, but disagreeing on how that change is administered. But this is on a global scale, not just one city.

 

[Superman_200]

yea i always wondered why he said, at first i thought it was lex mocking him

Well I don't exactly know what he said or if it was Lex but I heard the name Superman, and either "still", "steal" or "steel". Since Lex stole the crystals I thought he might have been saying "steal" but I guess not. That was weird.

 

[Kurosawa]

i'm not sure if this could happen in the first movie but i would really like to see superman question why he is saving and protecting a race that is self destructive...

These are exactly the kinds of questions that Superman should be about, to be honest.

Ultimately, it is because he he believes it is the right thing to do, and that is how Superman feels-that there is a right and wrong in the universe, and that distinction is not difficult to make.

 

[Godzilla2014]

These are exactly the kinds of questions that Superman should be about, to be honest.

Ultimately, it is because he he believes it is the right thing to do, and that is how Superman feels-that there is a right and wrong in the universe, and that distinction is not difficult to make.

Agreed. I would like to see a film that explores Superman's moral and ethical codes. Could he become a benevolent dictator? If not, where does he draw the line? These are some very interesting questions to give a Superman film a lot of depth.

 

[wspsupes]

Agreed. I would like to see a film that explores Superman's moral and ethical codes. Could he become a benevolent dictator? If not, where does he draw the line? These are some very interesting questions to give a Superman film a lot of depth.

Red Son. A movie we'll never see...but what a great read.

 

[DrCosmic]

Agreed. I would like to see a film that explores Superman's moral and ethical codes. Could he become a benevolent dictator? If not, where does he draw the line? These are some very interesting questions to give a Superman film a lot of depth.

What would you guys think if Superman actually makes a moral mistake in the film? I think the closest I've seen him come was the For Tomorrow storyline, where he ended up being right anyway, but what if he really does try and 'enforce' something with his power? What if Zod is able to sway him to an authoritative action?

I think that would make the movie better overall, and would provide justification for the military being all krypto-point on him.