All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 4

[Showtime]

They'll want to save Superman either way, if a Ghost Rider sequel is being made to save THAT character...well...you know the rest.

 

[Rodrigo90]

They'll want to save Superman either way, if a Ghost Rider sequel is being made to save THAT character...well...you know the rest.

Yeah, but GR isn't in the middle of a crippling lawsuit. WB could settle financially already if they wanted, but they're waiting to see how MOS turns out. If things go wrong, then it'll be up to DC to sort it out from then on. Thattll be after the family gets the rights back

 

[Showtime]

Yeah, but GR isn't in the middle of a crippling lawsuit. WB could settle financially already if they wanted, but they're waiting to see how MOS turns out. If things go wrong, then it'll be up to DC to sort it out from then on. Thattll be after the family gets the rights back

No but they had to make the movie, or they were in danger of losing the rights. They went ahead and made the sequel to keep the character. I wouldn't worry about WB/DC losing Superman, different judges different outcomes.

 

[Rodrigo90]

No but they had to make the movie, or they were in danger of losing the rights. They went ahead and made the sequel to keep the character. I wouldn't worry about WB/DC losing Superman, different judges different outcomes.

I hope so. We don't want to see a cheap Superman knockoff

 

[IamtheBatman]

I hope so. We don't want to see a cheap Superman knockoff

This is the first ever superhero Snyder Superman needs to show him in all his glory!

 

[KalMart]

If MOS is a success, then WB will want to save him. If not............I dread to think

If MOS is a huge success...Toberoff will do everything he can to get a huge percentage in the 'settlement'....which could throw an even bigger monkey wrench into things. the more Superman is seemingly 'worth', the messier it'll get.

Generally...people will fight harder and longer over a million dollars than over a quarter, y'know?

 

[Kal-El.9859]

If MOS is a huge success...Toberoff will do everything he can to get a huge percentage in the 'settlement'....which could throw an even bigger monkey wrench into things. the more Superman is seemingly 'worth', the messier it'll get.

Generally...people will fight harder and longer over a million dollars than over a quarter, y'know?

I agree with that 110%...
Toberoff is a slimy, greedy bastard...to say the least

 

[KalMart]

I agree with that 110%...
Toberoff is a slimy, greedy bastard...to say the least

And he's not going away, unfortunately.....

 

[Kal-El.9859]

And he's not going away, unfortunately.....

It is unfortunate indeed. Why doesn't someone in the family come in and say look, this guy is no good...he just wants money and part of the rights to Superman??

 

[KalMart]

It is unfortunate indeed. Why doesn't someone in the family come in and say look, this guy is no good...he just wants money and part of the rights to Superman??

Because they've apparently already signed some of the rights over as payment for his legal services. They'd have to buy them back from him with money they couldn't pay him in the first place.

So...much like their parents...they signed a bad deal and are stuck with it.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Because they've apparently already signed some of the rights over as payment for his legal services. They'd have to buy them back from him with money they couldn't pay him in the first place.

So...much like their parents...they signed a bad deal and are stuck with it.

Then WB needs to buy those rights from Toberoff...it's highly unlikely that WB would not be able to pay him a substantial amount of money for them

 

[KalMart]

Then WB needs to buy those rights from Toberoff...it's highly unlikely that WB would not be able to pay him a substantial amount of money for them

I'm sure he'd be more than happy to sell them for a huge discount.

Nah...he's looking for ongoing ownership interest and income generated from Superman one way or another. Hence, his trying to start up a production company as well.

Tricky man....! And you can bet WB is more than eager to do be in partnership with Toberoff after this whole thing. There is a very distinct possibility that WB will forego any sort of settlement arrangement and try a different version of 'The Hero Formerly Known As Superman' with the elements that they still hold....because what's in their best interest is what they can own completely head-to-toe...not share in revenue no matter how much it's worth.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I'm sure he'd be more than happy to sell them for a huge discount.

Nah...he's looking for ongoing ownership interest and income generated from Superman one way or another. Hence, his trying to start up a production company as well.

Tricky man....! And you can bet WB is more than eager to do be in partnership with Toberoff after this whole thing. There is a very distinct possibility that WB will forego any sort of settlement arrangement and try a different version of 'The Hero Formerly Known As Superman' with the elements that they still hold....because what's in their best interest is what they can own completely head-to-toe...not share in revenue no matter how much it's worth.

He might as well hang up trying to get ownership of Superman. WB/DC would never let that happen...or at least I don't think they would

 

[KalMart]

He might as well hang up trying to get ownership of Superman. WB/DC would never let that happen...or at least I don't think they would

Like I mentioned...I think he's got it already, in terms of a percentage of the heirs' "half". That's how they paid for his legal services up to now, since they didn't have much money to begin with. So whatever settlement would be made from 2013 on, he'll be legally entitled to it just like the heirs...which would give him negotiating power over the actual amount. WB/DC can't stop that if the deal between the heirs and Toberoff is already done...even if he's fired by the heirs as their attorney. That's the kicker.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Like I mentioned...I think he's got it already, in terms of a percentage of the heirs' "half". That's how they paid for his legal services up to now, since they didn't have much money to begin with. So whatever settlement would be made from 2013 on, he'll be legally entitled to it just like the heirs...which would give him negotiating power over the actual amount. WB/DC can't stop that if the deal between the heirs and Toberoff is already done. That's the kicker.

I see what you're saying but what I'm saying is WB wouldn't willingly let him get the rest of it. And if he already owns half, they should try to buy his half or just pay him a percentage of the profits both sides can agree upon

 

[KalMart]

I see what you're saying but what I'm saying is WB wouldn't willingly let him get the rest of it. And if he already owns half, they should try to buy his half or just pay him a percentage of the profits both sides can agree upon

WB/DC can't willingly do anything to prevent him from making money off of Superman if his deal's already done with the heirs, except for refusing to settle and to discontinue Superman as he's been known until now...which might happen. And Toberoff doesn't have to accept a one-time flat settlement payoff if he wants something else....like an ongoing revenue percentage, for example.

Again, the last thing that WB wants to do is probably have an ongoing business relationship with Toberoff for ANY amount.....and it's not like Superman is the only thing that makes them money. So even though they'd be missing out on millions by not having a Superman...they're still making billions from other properties that they own through-and-through, so it may not be worth it to them. There's more than enough bad blood shed already to make whatever upcoming 'negotiations' on settlement amount downright ugly.

And Toberoff's not stupid...this is what he does and deals in....he'll know if WB is trying to just buy him off in a way that's more comfortable for them, and he'll counter with something that's more comfortable for him and way above what WB will agree to. And ths heirs will be sitting there still waiting to get SOME money, while living off of Ramen noodles.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I hope he isn't the end to Superman as we know him...or period

 

[KalMart]

I hope he isn't the end to Superman as we know him...or period

I hope not as well...but unfortunately, it's not about Superman as an ideology or icon or what have you continuing...it's about ownership and money, period.

 

[Wheels]

As much as I can't stand Marc Toberoff, he has really set himself up big time.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

this guy needs to fall off the face of the Earth

 

[KalMart]

As much as I can't stand Marc Toberoff, he has really set himself up big time.

And yet he's having trouble getting funding for his production company.....



...I wonder why.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

And yet he's having trouble getting funding for his production company.....



...I wonder why.

maybe people see him as a leach...

 

[KalMart]

maybe people see him as a leach...

Well...let's see.....he represented the S&S heirs in heirs vs. WB....the Kirby Estate in Kirby vs. Marvel...so he went after two major studios/production companies...and now he'd like to get into movies.

It's kinda' like trying to get more clients as a marriage counselor by sleeping with their spouses.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Well...let's see.....he represented the S&S heirs in heirs vs. WB....the Kirby Estate in Kirby vs. Marvel...so he went after two major studios/production companies...and now he'd like to get into movies.

It's kinda' like trying to get more clients as a marriage counselor by sleeping with their spouses.

good plan!!

 

[sf2]

The phantom zone would be the way to go.

phatom zone??? again??? is it a remake of STM or what???