All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 4

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I still think Eradicator would have been the best choice as a menace from the Kryptonian civilization.

Agreed! in my honest opinion Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman should be the sole surviving member of the Kryptonian race, the lase of his kind. The Eradicator is a Kryptonian AI, so Kal-El could still be the last Kryptonian.

P.S IMO Zod is really overrated.
 
Agreed! in my honest opinion Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman should be the sole surviving member of the Kryptonian race, the lase of his kind. The Eradicator is a Kryptonian AI, so Kal-El could still be the last Kryptonian.

P.S IMO Zod is really overrated.

The Eradicator would be too boring to be on screen.

The most exciting version of the Eradicator, IMO, was when it was a small Kryptonian device. (See Action Comics Annual #2 for one of the best Superman stories of all time and the first app of the Eradicator.)
Heh. That comic would make an awesome Superman movie.
 
The Eradicator would only be boring if they WRITE him as a boring character. There are a lot of routes they could take there, since he's always been a bit of a grey area; toeing the line between good guy and bad guy. I always liked him a bit better as a complicated hero, but for the sake of a movie if they made him more of a straight-up villain, that would be fine too.
 
I got Zodomized last week in a gas station bathroom. I still haven't recovered.
 
I have seen Superman Restored and it is awesome. I suggest anyone who didn't like Superman Returns to check it out! No more stalker man, the Return to Krypton sequence has been added back into the film! The story now revolves around Clark/Superman instead of Lois and Luthor. There's more of Clark on the farm. Brandon's performance has been reinserted back into the film.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=10118
 
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I have seen Superman Restored and it is awesome. I suggest anyone who didn't like Superman Returns to check it out! No more stalker man, the Return to Krypton sequence has been added back into the film! The story now revolves around Clark/Superman instead of Lois and Luthor. There's more of Clark on the farm. Brandon's performance has been reinserted back into the film.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=10118

Where did you see it?
 
All characters are only as good as the people who write them.

Quite right mr lee man of bronze. I always believed that's what let brandon down in returns was the lines given to him.

At times he shines.

You wrote that the world doesn't need a saviour but everyday I hear people crying out for one.

One of the best lines of the film.
 
I have seen Superman Restored and it is awesome. I suggest anyone who didn't like Superman Returns to check it out! No more stalker man, the Return to Krypton sequence has been added back into the film! The story now revolves around Clark/Superman instead of Lois and Luthor. There's more of Clark on the farm. Brandon's performance has been reinserted back into the film.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=10118

This is interesting. Where can you see it? Although I hope Lois's story hasn't been completely cut out. Just the bastard son thing.
 
I imagine it's in the Superman Anthology set recently released...
No it's a fan edit by a professional editor who works within the TV industry in Canada.


This is interesting. Where can you see it? Although I hope Lois's story hasn't been completely cut out. Just the bastard son thing.
The kid is still in it. The editor has claimed the child is to woven into the story to be cut out.
 
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I'd like to take a look at this restore myself. Haven't visited the film in a while, it would be nice to see this new take can redeem the production somewhat.
 
Agreed! in my honest opinion Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman should be the sole surviving member of the Kryptonian race, the lase of his kind. The Eradicator is a Kryptonian AI, so Kal-El could still be the last Kryptonian.

P.S IMO Zod is really overrated.

An AI doesn't make for a sympathetic villain, neither does he function effectively as a mentor, darker version of the hero, or a moral choice for the hero whether or not to be the last of his kind. Zod can do a lot for the story. Eradicator needs to be served by the story to be made interesting.
 
Yeah well, Zod and pretty much ANY villain needs to be served by the story to be made interesting. Zod in Superman II might have been badass, but he was also very two dimensional and had a lesser actor than Terrance Stamp played him, he would have come off much more campy and likely wouldn't have been as popular.

Lex Luthor, IMO, is the greatest comic book supervillain of all time, and yet most of the movies have made him bland (Superman Returns), annoying (Superman IV) or nothing more than comic relief (Superman II). Even with as great a character as Lex, the story needs to be there for the audience to give two sh**s about the character.

You can make any great villain suck on film if you're not careful (see: Venom, Two-Face and Riddler in Batman Forever, DR. DOOM).

The Eradicator is no different. If you make him a boring, lifeless machine with little to say or do, then of course he'll be boring. But a character that begins as a killing machine that preserves Kryptonian culture by wiping out all others and gradually begins to develop personality traits and perhaps even grow some form of humanity, could be very interesting. It's more a hero path than a villain one, but that's simply one way you could take it. Or even if they just kept him in villain mode, determined to turn Earth into New Krypton, that could also be cool to see.
 
An AI doesn't make for a sympathetic villain, neither does he function effectively as a mentor, darker version of the hero, or a moral choice for the hero whether or not to be the last of his kind. Zod can do a lot for the story. Eradicator needs to be served by the story to be made interesting.

If you want a sympathetic villain, who is darker version of the Man of Steel use Bizarro.
 
Bizarro is worse than Zod. Now, if you were to say Zibarro, I would like to see him, despite him not being a villain.
 
Yeah well, Zod and pretty much ANY villain needs to be served by the story to be made interesting.

No. Ra's Alghul was not served by the story. They made several radical changes to him so that he would fit in the story perfectly. Scarecrow served the story, aside from the 30 seconds of film it took to introduce his jungian archetypes inspired mask. Everything else made the story, that is, the narrative about Batman's journey to master his fear and become a symbol, better.

If, say, Mr. Freeze or Joker had been used, they could not have served mentorship roles, they could not have been used as well as a conduit of fear. They wouldn't have served the story. We would've had to sidetrack the story to give them origins unrelated to the story.

You can make any great villain suck on film if you're not careful (see: Venom, Two-Face and Riddler in Batman Forever, DR. DOOM).

That's not what I'm talking about. It's not about sucking or not sucking. It's about their role in the story. Is it in support of the main character's development, or are they there for some other reason - to look good/be cool in a way that is separate from the heart of the film.

For an AI character, any AI character, you have to explain to the general audience the rules for this AI character, and for a story that's not about AI, the story has to derail to explain the origin for this computer and what kind of AI and threat it is.

Compare with Zod. His origin is Kal-El's origin. No service needed. No sidetracking to develop the villain separately.

Back to Eradicator, or Brainiac, or whoever. Now you have to give him a body/form/point of connection on Earth. How can the hero come into an emotional conflict with the villain if he never sees him? Never can touch him in any way? That's why AI in movies always has a central base instead of just floating out there, otherwise, you can never resolve a storyline with the character, because they're never there, physically or emotionally.

Zod, on the other hand, obviously has a very real body.

Back to 'rad. You give him a body, then you have to explain what the body is/what it's made of, and you have to make that look cool for your action sequences. Making a body out of, say, Kal-El's ship means he's basically fighting a superpowered stroller, and you remove the ship and it's emotional impact on Kal-El from the quieter scenes.

I could do this all day. Zod has the same origin, powerset and everything, so everything you explain about Zod ONLY helps to make Superman seem bigger, better, cooler, deeper and more sympathetic. The same can't be said of any of superman's villains.

Bizarro requires not only a notable preamble for us to believably explain how they master cloning a Kryptonian but can't master cloning a human, but then we have to wait for all that to happen to get a villain that is primarily subservient and imbicilic. You need that kind of villain early in the movie to keep the action going while you build an emotional threat.
 
I have seen Superman Restored and it is awesome. I suggest anyone who didn't like Superman Returns to check it out! No more stalker man, the Return to Krypton sequence has been added back into the film! The story now revolves around Clark/Superman instead of Lois and Luthor. There's more of Clark on the farm. Brandon's performance has been reinserted back into the film.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=10118

Any chance you could give us links? Like the maker said it's legal, provided you own Superman Returns.
 
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