All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 4

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Filming began May 2nd. We got our first look at Batman last month.

:wow: I didn't know it took that long.

We won't see a full shot until filming in Vancouver is my guess since HC will dressed up in the glasses an Clark Kent gear!

In that case we still have a couple of weeks to go, which sucks. I read somewhere that the shooting schedule has been changed?
 
they supposedly just filmed the teaser trailer...so I don't know what that included
 
Dude, can you imagine what they're filming with Cavill while having us looking around at Red-headed Lois?
 
Dude, can you imagine what they're filming with Cavill while having us looking around at Red-headed Lois?

I wonder if they were filming both at the same time and made the scene with Amy more public and filmed Henry in private
 
so is lex luthor not in this they seem to have everyone cast and no mention of lex
 
Dont expect a teaser before December, at least
 
No Lex or Jimmy for that matter, altough I expect Jimmy to be cast soon. Lex, not so much. They are probably saving him for teh sequel.
 
Will be interesting to see who they cast as Jimmy.
 
No. Ra's Alghul was not served by the story. They made several radical changes to him so that he would fit in the story perfectly. Scarecrow served the story, aside from the 30 seconds of film it took to introduce his jungian archetypes inspired mask. Everything else made the story, that is, the narrative about Batman's journey to master his fear and become a symbol, better.

If, say, Mr. Freeze or Joker had been used, they could not have served mentorship roles, they could not have been used as well as a conduit of fear. They wouldn't have served the story. We would've had to sidetrack the story to give them origins unrelated to the story.



That's not what I'm talking about. It's not about sucking or not sucking. It's about their role in the story. Is it in support of the main character's development, or are they there for some other reason - to look good/be cool in a way that is separate from the heart of the film.

For an AI character, any AI character, you have to explain to the general audience the rules for this AI character, and for a story that's not about AI, the story has to derail to explain the origin for this computer and what kind of AI and threat it is.

Compare with Zod. His origin is Kal-El's origin. No service needed. No sidetracking to develop the villain separately.

Back to Eradicator, or Brainiac, or whoever. Now you have to give him a body/form/point of connection on Earth. How can the hero come into an emotional conflict with the villain if he never sees him? Never can touch him in any way? That's why AI in movies always has a central base instead of just floating out there, otherwise, you can never resolve a storyline with the character, because they're never there, physically or emotionally.

Zod, on the other hand, obviously has a very real body.

Back to 'rad. You give him a body, then you have to explain what the body is/what it's made of, and you have to make that look cool for your action sequences. Making a body out of, say, Kal-El's ship means he's basically fighting a superpowered stroller, and you remove the ship and it's emotional impact on Kal-El from the quieter scenes.

I could do this all day. Zod has the same origin, powerset and everything, so everything you explain about Zod ONLY helps to make Superman seem bigger, better, cooler, deeper and more sympathetic. The same can't be said of any of superman's villains.

Bizarro requires not only a notable preamble for us to believably explain how they master cloning a Kryptonian but can't master cloning a human, but then we have to wait for all that to happen to get a villain that is primarily subservient and imbicilic. You need that kind of villain early in the movie to keep the action going while you build an emotional threat.

You make plenty of good points but I think that your reasoning for why Zod works as a good villain is also why he might NOT work as a good villain. His origin is basically the same as Superman's origin, like you say. That's convenient for the plot, but it also makes him kind of dull since he has the same powers as Supes, and is not particularly interesting visually. He's just another guy who can do all the same stuff as the hero. This is why he needs a good backstory. The whole conflict between Zod and Jor-El needs to be played up here, and it needs to be more than "He could have let me off for murder but he didn't! I'm going to kill his son for it!"
 
You make plenty of good points but I think that your reasoning for why Zod works as a good villain is also why he might NOT work as a good villain. His origin is basically the same as Superman's origin, like you say. That's convenient for the plot, but it also makes him kind of dull since he has the same powers as Supes, and is not particularly interesting visually. He's just another guy who can do all the same stuff as the hero. This is why he needs a good backstory. The whole conflict between Zod and Jor-El needs to be played up here, and it needs to be more than "He could have let me off for murder but he didn't! I'm going to kill his son for it!"

I predict we will see Jor El fight Zod on Krypton.
It's Russell Crowe damn it!
 
Hell, I'm still looking forward towards seeing on how they pull off the fact that no one recognizes Clark as Superman if he were to have gone on for a long period of time around people without having worn them prior before becoming Superman.
 
Hell, I'm still looking forward towards seeing on how they pull off the fact that no one recognizes Clark as Superman if he were to have gone on for a long period of time around people without having worn them prior before becoming Superman.

In all truthfulness, JUST the glasses should've never done the trick. I mean look at George Reeves. The people of Metropolis must've been dumb to not have picked him out. I mean look at that chin....
 
A movie without Lex, for once, with be a godsend...
 
Superman 3 WAS a godsend. Like one of the 7 plagues of Egypt.
 
Well, I'll be super pleased if MOS if able to convince GA as to why Superman is considered THE HERO among Heroes (the greatest of them all as some have put it).

I don't want Superman to be portrayed as just another hero with powers; I want to see Superman in all of his glory shown as the BEST hero, without falling prey to the Christ parallels.
 
You make plenty of good points but I think that your reasoning for why Zod works as a good villain is also why he might NOT work as a good villain. His origin is basically the same as Superman's origin, like you say. That's convenient for the plot, but it also makes him kind of dull since he has the same powers as Supes, and is not particularly interesting visually. He's just another guy who can do all the same stuff as the hero. This is why he needs a good backstory. The whole conflict between Zod and Jor-El needs to be played up here, and it needs to be more than "He could have let me off for murder but he didn't! I'm going to kill his son for it!"

The current General Zod's history with Jor-El has a bit more depth, with some elements of betrayal that I hope to see get played in the movie.
 
But what kind of battle would that be if they're not superpowered?
 
But what kind of battle would that be if they're not superpowered?

Lol.

See Silk Spectre and Night Owl's first fight scene together in the alley after being attacked by muggers.

Don't need powers to make an epic fight scene, especially in a Snyder film.
 
Lol.

See Silk Spectre and Night Owl's first fight scene together in the alley after being attacked by muggers.

Don't need powers to make an epic fight scene, especially in a Snyder film.

:up: or 300. Snyder knows him some fight scenes.
 
Lol.

See Silk Spectre and Night Owl's first fight scene together in the alley after being attacked by muggers.

Don't need powers to make an epic fight scene, especially in a Snyder film.


That clearly wont be enough visually compared to the rest of this movie.

I'm thinking more in the vein of lightsabers or something. Would like to see some sort of kryptonian weaponry utilized.
Then when on Earth Zod would have some of the the same poweres but without the weapons.
 
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