All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 5

[Krumm]

Why does he need to realise that? If that's what he wants from a Superman movie, that's his right. He doesn't need to lower his standards for anything.

Of course he has a right to want whatever he wants but at a certain point he's just being a downer.

 

[moviedoors]

You need to realise that these 200 million dollars films are not made just for us comic book fans. We make up about 10% of the audience (if that). It's simply not very good business sense to cater just to comic book fans.

The sooner you accept this maybe you'll enjoy yourself more.

It's also disingenuous. Of course WB is in this to make a salable product. They always are and so are all the other big studios who bank roll big budget movies. In other news, the sun rises in the east.

Are we to believe that this attitude therefore infects the rest of the creative team all the way down? That no one is passionate about it? That no one really wants to make a great Superman flick? Come off it. Zakk Synder isn't an untouchable Hollywood presence and he's in a dip, but he's also I gigantic nerd who loves comic books. Doubt he signed up because of the lawsuit. Christopher Nolan is, well, Christopher Nolan. At this stage in his career, the man can do whatever the hell he wants. Doubt he signed up because of the lawsuit.

That's why it's important to be reasonable, not inflate the scenario to some evil scheme that it isn't, and just accept that studios like to make money (and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that they always will. Crazy, I know, but I got like a gut feeling or something) and it goes with the territory. No one likes a cynic and it's no fun being one either.

 

[Marvin]

That's why it's important to be reasonable, not inflate the scenario to some evil scheme that it isn't, and just accept that studios like to make money (and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict that they always will. Crazy, I know, but I got like a gut feeling or something) and it goes with the territory. No one likes a cynic and it's no fun being one either.

...unless you're criticizing politics.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

It's also disingenuous. Of course WB is in this to make a salable product. They always are and so are all the other big studios who bank roll big budget movies. In other news, the sun rises in the east.

Are we to believe that this attitude therefore infects the rest of the creative team all the way down? That no one is passionate about it? That no one really wants to make a great Superman flick

I doubt that Goyer, Snyder and Nolan are big Superman fans. Not much "love" will flow into that movie. Of course I'm convinced everyone involved will try to make this movie as good as possible but you cannot fake true passion.

 

[Mad Love]

I doubt that Goyer, Snyder and Nolan are big Superman fans. Not much "love" will flow into that movie. Of course I'm convinced everyone involved will try to make this movie as good as possible but you cannot fake true passion.

Why would you doubt that? Their professional careers have been very involved with superheroes, and Superman is probably the first they grew up knowing.

I think Nolan even mentioned Donner's Superman as an inspiration when casting Batman Begins, which was way before any mention of him involved in MOS. You can't fake passion, but you also can't diagnose it.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Is it known if this is an origins movie,-introducing Superman? I mean full blown. I am assuming there will be some back story since he has his Kryptonian parents.

I was thinking that it would be nice to see peoples reactions to the "firsts" of his powers, like bullets bouncing off his chest etc.

was always amusing and perplexed that the bad guys would still shoot at Supes even though they knew he could not be hurt. Still like seeing it though. Just wish they would be creative in showing it.

Superman Returns had a good moment with that though, when the gunman goes right up to Superman and tries shooting him in the eyeball.

 

[souperman]

Superman Returns had a good moment with that though, when the gunman goes right up to Superman and tries shooting him in the eyeball.

Yeah, I liked that too! But there, the world already knew of Superman and his powers. The robber "should" have known that the handgun bullets would not harm Superman, Especially after shooting him with about 5000 round of 50 cal BMG!
But it was a cool moment...

 

[Shorshie]

Just watched filiming on Clark in Chicago. There are 3 villains in the movie. Clark wears the glasses. The scene was Zod's ship hovering over Metropolis. Zod is trying to turn Metropolis into a version of Krytpon. No other details.

 

[ElDuderino]

Just watched filiming on Clark in Chicago. There are 3 villains in the movie. Clark wears the glasses. The scene was Zod's ship hovering over Metropolis. Zod is trying to turn Metropolis into a version of Krytpon. No other details.

Thanks for posting. How did you discover this info from just watching filming? And hasn't filming in Chicago already over?

 

[Shorshie]

Thanks for posting. How did you discover this info from just watching filming? And hasn't filming in Chicago already over?

I charmed it out of staff. They are going to Vancouver for 5 months. Today was last day here. Confirmed the suits are muscle suits. It is an origin story. There are scenes of Supes as a kid. The third villian is played by like a stuntman in the mocap. He also said Supes has the curl in the hair, but i didn't see that in pics.

 

[Marvin]

Logically speaking I'm not sure Zod has ever had any other motive than that.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I doubt that Goyer, Snyder and Nolan are big Superman fans. Not much "love" will flow into that movie. Of course I'm convinced everyone involved will try to make this movie as good as possible but you cannot fake true passion.

I believe it was last year at a panel or something, where Nolan stated that STM was still the best superhero movie (Goyer said BB and TDK). He has also stated in interviews that Batman and Superman are the greatest superheroes.

Snyder does love Superman, his reticence in helming the movie had more to do with him being unsure about how to bring the character's earnestness to life for a modern audience in love with darrrrkkk heroes.

 

[Marvin]

I hope they'll be at least some voice over, Snyders films tend to have them and all comic books essentially do.

 

[souperman]

I charmed it out of staff. They are going to Vancouver for 5 months. Today was last day here. Confirmed the suits are muscle suits. It is an origin story. There are scenes of Supes as a kid. The third villian is played by like a stuntman in the mocap. He also said Supes has the curl in the hair, but i didn't see that in pics.

GCG! (Great Caesars Ghost!) Thanks for the great info.. you charmer you!

 

[KRIM]

I charmed it out of staff. They are going to Vancouver for 5 months. Today was last day here. Confirmed the suits are muscle suits. It is an origin story. There are scenes of Supes as a kid. The third villian is played by like a stuntman in the mocap. He also said Supes has the curl in the hair, but i didn't see that in pics.

A little vague here. Supes as a kid, as in Superboy? Or regular childhood Clark?

 

[Shorshie]

Sorry, I posted from my phone. Now I'm by a computer.

I work a block from the Daley Center in Chicago, where they were filming today. Snyder was there, big stars were not. It was a 'background' scene with extras being shot on Clark street, then on LaSalle.

I spoke with one guy who works there. Not security, but he traveled with them. He told me that the scene was an "alien" spaceship in the sky and extras were looking up as it hovered over. I asked what alien, he said Zod, and Zod was trying to turn Metropolis (or the world) into another Krypton. He described it as an "attack," but when I specifically asked if buildings in Chicago would be destroyed, he said no. We had a long conversation generally, and only occasionally talked about the movie. The other bits I got were:

He has not read the script, no one really has. What he knows is from what he's seen or others have said.

There are three villians, Zod, Faora, and a third who he called the third of the group, and he did not know who played the third. He said it looked like a stuntman or something.

Zod's suit and Supe's suits are both muscle suits. He said they both look unimpressive in person, up close, but show up well on film.

This is an entirely new reboot with Krypton scenes. There also are scenes of a young Clark.

We talked about hiding the identity, and he said Clark does wear the glasses. He also said Cavill does have a curl.

I forgot about the most important general part. He said this is going to be a serious, somewhat darker, "realistic" movie that asks how the world really would react if aliens landed here.

He said he knew nothing else about the story, except there is a fortress of solitude and he just assumed it was being filmed in Vancouver, but did not say that actually was the case.

We also talked about a couple other movies that filmed in Chicago, and that was that. Really nice guy.

 

[Marvin]

Thanks for the info.

I think what he said about the suit is spot on. The suit looked fantastic in that footage still released earlier. Good call releasing that.

I wonder if Zod will reveal himself before Superman does by way of Straczynski's earth one, or something similar to Birthright. The early news was about this movie focusing on a teenage clark finding his place and heading to Africa and such.

I loving the lack of Luthor thus far, save him for the sequel a la TDK

 

[KRIM]

I'm stoked about Krypton scenes. It's about time we get another glimpse of a sci-fi world.

 

[Aluchak]

Can anyone PM if they find out where they'll be filming in Vancouver? I live there and I'd love to stop by and see if I can get a look.

 

[Rust]

I forgot about the most important general part. He said this is going to be a serious, somewhat darker, "realistic" movie that asks how the world really would react if aliens landed here.

Very interesting. On one hand, this is exactly what I wanna see, and on the other hand realism could be a very delicate thing in a Superman-movie. The line between realistic approach and fairytale could be very diffuse and it could make it difficult to swallow the realistic aspects or the overall story.

 

[Shorshie]

Thanks for the info.

I think what he said about the suit is spot on. The suit looked fantastic in that footage still released earlier. Good call releasing that.

I wonder if Zod will reveal himself before Superman does by way of Straczynski's earth one, or something similar to Birthright. The early news was about this movie focusing on a teenage clark finding his place and heading to Africa and such.

I loving the lack of Luthor thus far, save him for the sequel a la TDK

This is the impression I have thus far. I have been to the Plano sets (my pics were used on the front page of this site) and watched filming from afar in a number of Chicago locations. I have no real support for this theory, though (just being honest), but my guess is that Zod et al. do reveal themselves first, whether intentionally or not, and manage to convince the government that there is an alien living among us who has not revealed himself (Supes). Clark is not yet Superman. Zod and the government begin looking for him, find evidence of his ship in Smallville, and the game is on.

Zod's motives are always to rule, but as Shannon has revealed in interviews, it's not always black-and-white. It was not just Supe's planet that was destroyed - Zod's was, too. And it was planet he spent a lifetime defending.

Now he's on earth, and whether he wants to rule for power or simply to prevent the planet from destroying itself, he wants to rule. If Shannon's take is right, a cool angle could be that Zod does not have any faith in a populace's ability to make good decisions. The old adage: a person is smart, people are not.

In some ways, Zod's right. Planets get destroyed because people make bad decisions. He's smarter, better, faster, stronger, experienced, and without a home.

Clark has a choice now: he's here, he's been hiding, and he discovers his identity. Now what.


Most of this is guesswork except for the parts I got from the guy on set yesterday.

 

[Marvin]

Interesting, that does present a "fresh" take not only of superman in general but more importantly for the general audience. It also gives us a character to understand as opposed to just watch like in SR(superman the mute dragged around by the plot).

This would also explain the emergence of the suit more fluidly(zod may very well hand it to him).

 

[souperman]

This is the impression I have thus far. I have been to the Plano sets (my pics were used on the front page of this site) and watched filming from afar in a number of Chicago locations. I have no real support for this theory, though (just being honest), but my guess is that Zod et al. do reveal themselves first, whether intentionally or not, and manage to convince the government that there is an alien living among us who has not revealed himself (Supes). Clark is not yet Superman. Zod and the government begin looking for him, find evidence of his ship in Smallville, and the game is on.

Zod's motives are always to rule, but as Shannon has revealed in interviews, it's not always black-and-white. It was not just Supe's planet that was destroyed - Zod's was, too. And it was planet he spent a lifetime defending.

Now he's on earth, and whether he wants to rule for power or simply to prevent the planet from destroying itself, he wants to rule. If Shannon's take is right, a cool angle could be that Zod does not have any faith in a populace's ability to make good decisions. The old adage: a person is smart, people are not.

In some ways, Zod's right. Planets get destroyed because people make bad decisions. He's smarter, better, faster, stronger, experienced, and without a home.

Clark has a choice now: he's here, he's been hiding, and he discovers his identity. Now what.


Most of this is guesswork except for the parts I got from the guy on set yesterday.

Are you a mild mannered reporter too?

Nice work Shorshie! Very interesting tidbits.

 

[Lily Adler]

Thanks for the info Shorshie.

 

[Kurosawa]

So the "fresh take" is basically Birthright's fake alien invasion (the weakest part of the series) mixed with Earth: One (which was total crap), and a little Superman II mixed in.

By the way, anyone who quotes STM as the source of their fandom for Superman-like Nolan and Singer both have done-basically demonstrate that they don't understand Superman-not if that is all they know, since STM and Superman II both screwed up in major ways with Superman's portrayal and character.

As for ZS being a big comics fan, well, one can still be a comics fan and misunderstand Superman, as his praise for Frank Miller's Superman bashfest Dark Knight Returns proves.

A huge reason why Superman was always respected in the old George Reeves show and the radio show is because people from the comics actually worked on them. That made the Superboy show better as well.