All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 5

[Rusty Mcgoofy]

Looking at the time table of end of shooting until the release, 300, Watchmen and Sucker Punch all seemed to have at least 1 year of space (SP even more) if I saw info right and havent forgot math, lol. Than again I doubt Snyder was editing those movies during the shoot. Regardles if it's 2012 or 2013 this speculation and supposed ´´fast`` production of MOS is interesting indeed.

 

[mclay18]

As long as post will not be rushed when it comes perfecting the sound, editing, and SFX and CGI renderings for a Dec 2012 release, than I will be all for it.

They're not rushing the editing and CGI -- Snyder and editor David Brenner are editing scenes as they're being shot and turning them over to the CGI houses like MPC, Double Negative and WETA to begin work. If anything, they're getting a head start on post-production.

Sound mixing and editing is less intensive, I think it only takes a matter of weeks to fully mix sound effects, foley, ADR and music if the movie is locked and the CGI shots are done. Andrew Stanton's already finished John Carter and now they're recording the music and mixing the sound. The movie won't come out until March 2012, but they'll have the movie finished and in the can by New Year's Eve.

 

[batman44]

I didn't know WETA was working on MOS.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I like that.

 

[Dark Knight]

They're not rushing the editing and CGI -- Snyder and editor David Brenner are editing scenes as they're being shot and turning them over to the CGI houses like MPC, Double Negative and WETA to begin work. If anything, they're getting a head start on post-production.

Sound mixing and editing is less intensive, I think it only takes a matter of weeks to fully mix sound effects, foley, ADR and music if the movie is locked and the CGI shots are done. Andrew Stanton's already finished John Carter and now they're recording the music and mixing the sound. The movie won't come out until March 2012, but they'll have the movie finished and in the can by New Year's Eve.

Yes, I understand this. However, just because they are burning through SFX shots and getting the CGI houses a head start on VFX, doesn't necessarily mean everything will wind up sounding and visually looking perfect. The editing of scenes after shooting and sending them to work on CGI, is what I already knew what would happen, to avoid the chaos that occured with Green Lantern.

Whatever time is needed to have the finished product wind up being the best damn Superman film overall when it comes to story, editing, action, sound and SFX/VFX/CGI, than that is what I want.

WB's, Snyder and his crew should not push things through as fast possible because of they feel confident on what they got. They need to make damn sure what they have is damn good and not average.

BTW, John Carter doesn't look appealing, at least to me.

 

[mclay18]

Whatever time is needed to have the finished product wind up being the best damn Superman film overall when it comes to story, editing, action, sound and SFX/VFX/CGI, than that is what I want.

WB's, Snyder and his crew should not push things through as fast possible because of they feel confident on what they got. They need to make damn sure what they have is damn good and not average.

No one complained about X-Men: First Class -- now that had a compressed schedule and people weren't expecting it to be as good as it turned out. But who knows? I hope MOS is more along the lines of X:FC, whenever it comes out. If it does come out in 2013, then I expect Snyder to spend more time on the sound mix, music and final CGI shots.

But post-production time is slowly getting shorter. Look at HP6: it wrapped May 2008 and it was originally scheduled for November 2008. Even after its release date was pushed to summer '09, it was completed on its original schedule. Roughly a six-month post period.

Give MOS a similar amount of post-production time, and it could realistically be finished in late summer/early fall 2012 should it finish shooting on schedule. Plenty of time for a winter 2012 release or summer 2013 date.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

No one complained about X-Men: First Class -- now that had a compressed schedule and people weren't expecting it to be as good as it turned out. But who knows? I hope MOS is more along the lines of X:FC, whenever it comes out. If it does come out in 2013, then I expect Snyder to spend more time on the sound mix, music and final CGI shots.

People forget Rise of the Apes had just as tight a schedule as First Class and look at how fantastic their VFX came out. But just like X-Men, they're lying their asses off about how much it cost.

 

[Dark Knight]

People forget Rise of the Apes had just as tight a schedule as First Class and look at how fantastic their VFX came out. But just like X-Men, they're lying their asses off about how much it cost.

Interesting.

I'm going to change the subject again real quick Jaime. In your opinion, do you think Trek 2 will make more money WW at the BO than MOS will with Khan the main baddie of Trek 2?

You and others seem to be disappointed that Khan will be reintroduced to the general public, do you think that with him being involved, it will help Trek 2 or hurt it?

Also, give me a percentage on what you think the chances are of MOS being moved to December 2012 or July 2013.

 

[antsman41]

Hell, Nolan was still editing TDK until a week before the 17th...

 

[Dark Knight]

Hell, Nolan was still editing TDK until a week before the 17th...

And he will be editing for the next two months at least. He is going to try and top TDK.

He wants TDKRises to be great and he wants this trilogy of Bat films to wind up being considered one of the greatest film trilogies of all time.

 

[dark_b]

Hell, Nolan was still editing TDK until a week before the 17th...

let me guess. TDK was realesed july 17? and there was an article where someone said that Nolan still edited the movie 7 days before the premiere?

 

[BH/HHH]

So reading back Showtime do you know something about Man of Steel been moved?

 

[matrix_ghost]

Uh, if MOS does get released late next year to box-office success and critical & audience raves -- it will be a great one-two punch for WB. Particularly since the HP series is ended and with the Nolan-Batman series ending next year.

The thing is, MOS went filming with a December 2012 release in mind before WB initially settled on June 14, 2013. From what the mods have heard, the production is still aiming to have the movie completed before the end of next year. I don't see how editing on set and sending finished scenes for CGI rendering is rushing through it. After the completed scenes are fully rendered and the movie wraps shooting, it gives Snyder more time to arrange, trim and refine the movie to his liking. (That can't be a bad thing.)

It means one of several things: 1) WB really likes what they see and wants to have it out sooner or later, 2) Snyder doesn't want to slow down and rather get the movie done in the original timeframe, or 3) One of WB's other holiday 2012 movies is behind schedule and they want MOS as a placeholder in case they want to swap it out.

Anything's possible.

If , and i mean IF , MoS is as good as people are saying ( in other words a commercial and critical success), WB should not move it to 2012.
Look at Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. it was finished in time for it's Nov 2008 release date but when TDK made so much $$$ for the studio , WB decided to move the movie to Summer 2009 because hey didn't have a blockbuster that they knew would make money. And it was a wise movie because although Hangover was a big hit , Terminator Salvation and Watchmen weren't the financially as succesful at the BO.
As this point The Dark KNight Rises and the Hobbit movies will make WB a huge amount of cash.
Assuming that MoS will be a big hit at the BO , WB would be wise to release the movie during summer 2013.

 

[Lord]

I hope they move it to 2012, tired of these movies only being released in the summer

 

[BH/HHH]

It would be nice a film like this released near Christmas time for definite lets hope it happens.

 

[mclay18]

As this point The Dark KNight Rises and the Hobbit movies will make WB a huge amount of cash.
Assuming that MoS will be a big hit at the BO , WB would be wise to release the movie during summer 2013.

You have a good point there. Even so, the new Superman isn't a proven moneymaker like HP and Batman. People know who the character is, but SR left fans polarized and box-office returns were middling.

I think WB wants to try more December releases, since they've had great success with Sherlock Holmes (and likely with next week's sequel too). And the biggest movie of all time, Avatar, came out mid-December.

It just depends. With a December 2012 release, the movie will hold better over several weeks and it's not as dependent on weekend grosses. But with a June or July 2013 release, lots of kids are out of school and families will want to escape the heat during the weekends.

You can make the case for either winter or summer.

 

[TheBat812]

They're not rushing the editing and CGI -- Snyder and editor David Brenner are editing scenes as they're being shot and turning them over to the CGI houses like MPC, Double Negative and WETA to begin work. If anything, they're getting a head start on post-production.

Sound mixing and editing is less intensive, I think it only takes a matter of weeks to fully mix sound effects, foley, ADR and music if the movie is locked and the CGI shots are done. Andrew Stanton's already finished John Carter and now they're recording the music and mixing the sound. The movie won't come out until March 2012, but they'll have the movie finished and in the can by New Year's Eve.

sound mixing and editing is not less intensive, haha. You CAN do a mix for a full film in like a month but it will not be very interesting, or even necessarily good. They'll probably have a few months at least to work on the sound.

 

[Krumm]

sound mixing and editing is not less intensive, haha. You CAN do a mix for a full film in like a month but it will not be very interesting, or even necessarily good. They'll probably have a few months at least to work on the sound.

Totally. At my job we spend 8 hours mixing 30 seconds so do the math.

And I don't think people realize how much work goes into editing. You have to break down every scene into every shot into every take and comb through it constantly 'til find the right ones. No easy task, especially with such a high profile film.

 

[Dark Knight]

Totally. At my job we spend 8 hours mixing 30 seconds so do the math.

And I don't think people realize how much work goes into editing. You have to break down every scene into every shot into every take and comb through it constantly 'til find the right ones. No easy task, especially with such a high profile film.

That's what I have been saying. Post production is a very underrated part of the whole filmmaking process. To me, that is where the magic happens and that is when a film that had a good shooting production, will have the potential to turn in to something special and great during POST production.

 

[Krumm]

That's what I have been saying. Post production is a very underrated part of the whole filmmaking process. To me, that is where the magic happens and that is when a film that had a good shooting production, will have the potential to turn in to something special and great during POST production.

100% Post-production is the final rewrite.

 

[flickchick85]

That's what I have been saying. Post production is a very underrated part of the whole filmmaking process. To me, that is where the magic happens and that is when a film that had a good shooting production, will have the potential to turn in to something special and great during POST production.

Exactly. And even within the realm of post-production, it seems like the sound department in particular always gets the shaft. Whenever any other department goes overschedule, they're the ones who pay for it, because they're the ones who CAN'T go over schedule since they're the last step before release. And while their job requires less man-power to do than, say, filming, it is no less intensive or meticulous than any other stage of production. As an editor who admittedly ran over schedule once or twice back in school, I always sympathized with the sound dept most of all.

 

[DyeLorean]

Oh man, I love all this pre/post production talk. I love the process of filmmaking, some dvd extras entertain me more than the actual movie! lol
I have a particular interest in "foley", always liked those big rooms with tons of things doing all kinds of noise.
It always amazes me this big budget movies like Man of Steel, how things get done, how many people is involved. It's a terrific machinery of oiled parts that work together, it's awesome.

 

[Krumm]

Exactly. And even within the realm of post-production, it seems like the sound department in particular always gets the shaft. Whenever any other department goes overschedule, they're the ones who pay for it, because they're the ones who CAN'T go over schedule since they're the last step before release. And while their job requires less man-power to do than, say, filming, it is no less intensive or meticulous than any other stage of production. As an editor who admittedly ran over schedule once or twice back in school, I always sympathized with the sound dept most of all.

Yeah, it's funny how much clients don't want to spend on sound. Luckily my boss understands the need for it and makes sure that we have in our budget. We even do 90% of our sound design in-house but we insist on it getting polished by a pro.

Now, my line of work isn't a feature film and it especially doesn't required custom sound effects like a sci-fi action film would, so I'm sure the process for MOS will be far more intensive and I would hope be treated with equal respect.

Oh man, I love all this pre/post production talk. I love the process of filmmaking, some dvd extras entertain me more than the actual movie! lol
I have a particular interest in "foley", always liked those big rooms with tons of things doing all kinds of noise.
It always amazes me this big budget movies like Man of Steel, how things get done, how many people is involved. It's a terrific machinery of oiled parts that work together, it's awesome.

I'm sure you caught the extra on TDK about the sound of the film then? It's good stuff from what I remember (or it's really only a one minute mention and my memory is waaay off)

 

[DyeLorean]

I'm sure you caught the extra on TDK about the sound of the film then? It's good stuff from what I remember (or it's really only a one minute mention and my memory is waaay off)

If it is in the same extra disc where an Imax camera smashes in the middle of the Joker chase, then yes

 

[Octoberist]

They're not rushing the editing and CGI -- Snyder and editor David Brenner are editing scenes as they're being shot and turning them over to the CGI houses like MPC, Double Negative and WETA to begin work. If anything, they're getting a head start on post-production.

Sound mixing and editing is less intensive, I think it only takes a matter of weeks to fully mix sound effects, foley, ADR and music if the movie is locked and the CGI shots are done. Andrew Stanton's already finished John Carter and now they're recording the music and mixing the sound. The movie won't come out until March 2012, but they'll have the movie finished and in the can by New Year's Eve.

I'm a big fan of both Stanton and Double Negative, but is it me or does the CG in 'John Carter' still needs a little polishing?

That or maybe the designs of the Thaark (the green aliens) are cartoony not by effects but by design; their faces are too elongated and their eyes look awkward.