All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - Part 72

[TheIrishAvenger]

I'm probably over-worrying... as usual.

Anyway... here's a set of avatars I made, inspired by a set Kane made the other day.

 

[G.Godfrey]

I have not seen the bolded yet. What were his/her thoughts?

Not his thoughts but 2nd accounts. http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=25969477&postcount=152

 

[moviefan!]

So if the majority audiences and critics alike HATED MOS andI LOVED it ,
The majority trumps my opinion?
I disagree.

From the reaction it clearly looks like this will be a 80-95 rotten tomatoes rating. The movie will be successful and audiences will eat up the 3rd act which is 50 minutes or pure unadulterated action and good one at that.

People who won't like it:

People who don't like superman
People who don't like comic book movies
People who will say too much action too less story
People who don't like nolan
People who don't like DC comics
People who don't like Snyder
People who are generally dumb
Feminists

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Yeah, honestly, I didnt give one crap when Rachel died.

Honestly, I laughed when she died. The mid-sentence explosion was funny to me...maybe because I didn't like her version of Rachel.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Eh, I was afraid of Nolan and Goyer's involvement as well so that concern isn't stupid to me (I haven't seen the film so for all I know I should still be concerned).

I'm not going to apologize for that concern anymore than I am going to apologize for the concern I had when Singer came on board a Superman film in 04. Everyone said that Singer knew what was what and he didn't.

 

[MrMaooz]

Honestly, I laughed when she died. The mid-sentence explosion was funny to me...maybe because I didn't like her version of Rachel.

Yeah, I preferred Holmes.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Eh, I was afraid of Nolan and Goyer's involvement as well so that concern isn't stupid to me (I haven't seen the film so for all I know I should still be concerned).

I'm not going to apologize for that concern anymore than I am going to apologize for the concern I had when Singer came on board a Superman film in 04. Everyone said that Singer knew what was what and he didn't.

I think it's stupid to judge before seeing. I also think it's strange that people forget Batman Begins was heavily influenced by Donner's Superman.

 

[The Sage]

Some cold blooded people in here.

As I said in the other thread, the concern about Nolan/Goyer's involvement probably has to do them having a habit of grounding a lot of Batman's mythos in reality. Some people thought they would do the same to Superman, causing him to lose most of the fantasy elements that make him who he is.

 

[mohoo]

I understand discussing and criticizing the details of reviews, but why would we care if someone had a different reaction or taste?

We all (I think) loved films with mixed reviews, and hated films with vastly positive reviews.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I don't mind terrible reviews, but if you're going to say something sucks or is terrible/abysmal, then explain why.

true, we're still under embargo right now. but if a more detailed negative review shows up later, I wouldn't mind reading it if they actually explained why they thought the film was awful.

then you can get an idea if it's the film itself that has problems or if the negativity is due to the reviewer's own bias.

Jenn murphy take note!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Eh, the fear was that Nolan and Goyer would turn Superman into Batman. That fear, in my honest opinion, was unfounded and absurd.

 

[MrMaooz]

Honestly, I laughed when she died. The mid-sentence explosion was funny to me...maybe because I didn't like her version of Rachel.

The best mid sentence explosion death was George Kirk in Star Trek.

 

[G.Godfrey]

So if the majority, audiences and critics alike HATED MOS and I LOVED it ,
The majority trumps my opinion?
I disagree.

If the majority of both hates it, it will flop and you'll never get a sequel. So yeah, it kinda matters.

Of course we all know that won't happen. t:

 

[Mysteryman]

From the reaction it clearly looks like this will be a 80-95 rotten tomatoes rating. The movie will be successful and audiences will eat up the 3rd act which is 50 minutes or pure unadulterated action and good one at that.

My point was that the idea that the majority opinion matters most only works if the majority likes the film.
I agree with you that things are looking good .

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

From the reaction it clearly looks like this will be a 80-95 rotten tomatoes rating. The movie will be successful and audiences will eat up the 3rd act which is 50 minutes or pure unadulterated action and good one at that.

People who won't like it:

People who don't like superman
People who don't like comic book movies
People who will say too much action too less story
People who don't like nolan
People who don't like DC comics
People who don't like Snyder
People who are generally dumb
Feminists

So... if people don't like it, they are "generally dumb"?

 

[Mysteryman]

If the majority of both hates it, it will flop and you'll never get a sequel. So yeah, it kinda matters.

Of course we all know that won't happen. t:

your right that it matters in the practical sense.
I was speaking as someone who tends to love movies passionately even when others hate them.

 

[BatLobster]

I think it's stupid to judge before seeing. I also think it's strange that people forget Batman Begins was heavily influenced by Donner's Superman.

Bingo.

I never was worried that these guys didn't understand the fundamental differences between Batman and Superman. For all the creative liberties they took with Batman, they stayed very true to the essence of that character and now it seems like a similar path is being forged with Superman.

But anyone so influenced by Donner's Superman (particularly Nolan) has to have some sort of reverence for the icon that is Superman. Like Snyder says, respect the S.

 

[moviefan!]

So... if people don't like it, they are "generally dumb"?

No i meant people who are like: i didnt like inception because it was too complicated. It wasnt really but people still are slow sometimes

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think it's stupid to judge before seeing. I also think it's strange that people forget Batman Begins was heavily influenced by Donner's Superman.

We judge before seeing all the time though, I see certain films because I think they look good and I don't see certain ones because I think they look awful. There is a whole lot of judgement in judging a book by it's cover or a movie by it's marketing materials.

I think MOS looks and sound amazing and therefore I am seeing it.

 

[redfirebird2008]

We judge before seeing all the time though, I see certain films because I think they look good and I don't see certain ones because I think they look awful. There is a whole lot of judgement in judging a book by it's cover or a movie by it's marketing materials.

I think MOS looks and sound amazing and therefore I am seeing it.

Judging it before they even started filming though? What did you expect them to do? Take away his superpowers? Have you not seen the Batman Begins interview of Nolan gushing about Donner's Superman?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Bingo.

I never was worried that these guys didn't understand the fundamental differences between Batman and Superman. For all the creative liberties they took with Batman, they stayed very true to the essence of that character and now it seems like a similar path is being forged with Superman.

But anyone so influenced by Donner's Superman (particularly Nolan) has to have some sort of reverence for the icon that is Superman. Like Snyder says, respect the S.

Singer loved Donner's Superman as well and yet his Superman film got a mixed response from the public at large despite getting pretty good reviews from the majority of critics. Donner didn't create Superman, it's not all about him.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Singer loved Donner's Superman as well and yet his Superman film got a mixed response from the public at large despite getting pretty good reviews from the majority of critics. Donner didn't create Superman, it's not all about him.

The difference being that Batman Begins itself is a big tribute to Superman: The Movie. Neither of Singer's X-Men movies felt like they were following the S:TM formula. The point regarding Nolan and Donner is that people (like you) were concerned Nolan would strip away everything about Superman that was special, even though he worships Donner's Superman film (largely considered a great version of the character). And at the end of the day, the screenwriter is a comic book fanboy and the director Nolan hired is also a comic book fanboy. The story might suck, but I don't think they are going to screw up the superhero aspect of the character like people feared when Nolan's name was first attached.

 

[TeeKay]

Usually I don't condone to looking at RT scores but I consider any movie above 70% critically successful, although it's usually 60% for a film to be certified fresh As long as MOS is above 70%,then I'm good

 

[Mysteryman]

Usually I don't condone to looking at RT scores but consider any movie above 70% critically successful for me although it's usually 60% for a film to be certified fresh As long and MOS is above 70%,then I'm good

In that case,I dont think you have anything to worry about!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The difference being that Batman Begins itself is a big tribute to Superman: The Movie. Neither of Singer's X-Men movies felt like they were following the S:TM formula. The point regarding Nolan and Donner is that people (like you) were concerned Nolan would strip away everything about Superman that was special, even though he worships Donner's Superman film (largely considered a great version of the character).

I wasn't bothered about stripped away powers as not even WB would allow Nolan to do that. I always wanted Superman powered down, I never liked Superman being powerful enough to turn back time or strong enough to move planets. If anything I wanted desperately for Nolan and crew, or whoever made the film, to tone down the absurd levels Supes had reached in the original films. My problem was are they going to turn him into a grim mope factory like Returns did and lucky for me I haven't seen any proof that they have. I think my concern was perfectly legitimate in the aftermath of SR, another film a Donner fan made.