All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Showtime]

Have a little faith! t:

p.s.: Still waiting for MOS to be moved to December...and, uh, some other things the site in your signature posted.

Well, we could just sit on the hype all day and post stories from eleventeen different websites and call them scoops or actually try to break stories.

Since you have created multiple user names to try to undermine stories from a particular website that you don't believe, you must have a lot of time
on your hands to wait for those stories to come true I guess?

 

[Herolee10]

I think the Richard-Lois-Superman triangle gave Superman problems he couldn't solve just being 'heroic' or 'moral.' It was great to have the audience really thinking, wow, who should Lois choose? The average thing would have been making Richard some unbearable smug we could hate so the choice was dead easy.

But from Snyder's words I read that he's going to doubt if he should be a hero and renounce a normal life. That alone sounds like gold to me. Now if that makes some fans furious, even better.

True and I do think that was his intention, on giving Superman an obstacle that he wouldn't be able to change so easily.

However, at the same time, while some people may have wondered who Lois would choose, during that entire ordeal, I kept reading more complaints on how it'd make Superman look bad because regardless of the fact that he's Jason's biological Father, he'd still be inadvertently filling in as the "homewrecker" role for a lot of people by breaking up that family since for 5 years, that's what Jason and Lois had accustomed to live by.

I wouldn't mind personally seeing Superman go through that phase where he's wondering if he should just focus on being a hero or giving into his desires and trying to pursue some form of normalcy in his life by trying to have a romantic relationship with someone, but at the same time, given how much is going on in this film, I wouldn't think that it'd be best to introduce something like Lois being involved with another guy, let alone a "good person" as how Richard White was described, where we have a love triangle going on as well.

Well, Raimi's Spider-man and its results shouldn't be neither the referent nor the monopoly for romantic problems. Raimi's treatment for romance was pure crap. It doesn't have to be the ultimate evidence that that way can't/shouldn't be done.

I never appreciate when Superman decided to erase Lois's memory in SII that Clark left like nothing had happened and then we just had a ever-smiling Superman. I'm sorry but that moment our hero renounced the love of his life, don't give me the 'meh it's just a movie, let's just have our happy ending and let's go home.'

Honestly, with Raimi's treatment of that relationship, along with MJ for that matter, I couldn't figure out as to why ANYONE would love that version of MJ. There was not one SINGLE redeeming quality that I could find for her so I could never understand as to why I should root for Peter to get her based on how she was written.

And yeah, I blame the whole erasing Lois's mind purely on the stupidity of the Salkinds and such for not wanting to change the status quo of how the relationship was known to the GA at that time.

I'm hoping that in this film, that they don't have Superman renounce his love life by the end of the film and have him be okay with it.

I actually want to see a hero on screen where we know that he may just have some hope in having a happy life someday.

 

[ElDuderino]

I hope they don't focus on kryptonite screwing with the local population too much. We've had enough of that in Smallville.

 

[X Knight]

And here is a brand new interview with Dylan Sprayberry (I get all the hot scoops ), the lad who plays a 13 year old Clark Kent:

http://www.clevvertv.com/interviews/33302/exclusive-dylan-sprayberry-talks-glee-man-of-steel.html

Here are the MOS parts of the interview:

Can you tell us a little about Man of Steel and your upcoming projects? I just finished shooting Man of Steel. That was in Canada and Chicago. I filmed that all last year. After that I did “Common Law.” That’s going to be on USA coming up pretty soon. I played the son of Sonya Walger. That was really cool.

So this is the first time they’re using a teenager to portray the young version of Clark Kent in a Superman movie. How does that feel? It was really great. I didn’t even really notice how big it was until I finished shooting. It was so overwhelming that it was crazy, I was like “I can’t believe I just did all that.” In the moment, I was really focused on the work and the acting.

What will people really love about Man of Steel? When Zack [Snyder] and I were talking about it the first time, he was saying how Superman, they want to give it a more edgy feel like The Dark Knight but also make it more realistic and emotional so it’s not just the all-american superhero that saves everyone. He has dilemmas and love and struggles throughout the whole movie, especially when he’s a kid.

interesting comments about the tone of the film.

I really do hope they find a good balance between the "edginess" of TDK and the "all-American"/boyscout aspect of Superman.

I'm all for humanizing the character and a more serious/realistic take on Superman, but I DON'T want some dark, angst-ridden, mopey story either.

Superman embodies light, hope, and optimism. I hope ( no pun intended ) that they don't lose sight of that in their efforts to deliver a new take on the character.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Nolan and Goyer, they understand the important aspects of a character. They see them for what they really are. I'm not blind however. I know they change this and that to make things look and feel real. But they've never changed things so much that I never saw the character. They trim things, but never change the concept.
I'm not worried, I believe they'll get things right.

 

[X Knight]

Nolan and Goyer, they understand the important aspects of a character. They see them for what they really are. I'm not blind however. I know they change this and that to make things look and feel real. But they've never changed things so much that I never saw the character. They trim things, but never change the concept.
I'm not worried, I believe they'll get things right.

I hope so. I hope so.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Have faith

 

[X Knight]

Have faith

In I trust!!

 

[Rodrigo90]

That's the spirit

 

[LL2K2]

And here is a brand new interview with Dylan Sprayberry (I get all the hot scoops ), the lad who plays a 13 year old Clark Kent:

http://www.clevvertv.com/interviews/33302/exclusive-dylan-sprayberry-talks-glee-man-of-steel.html

So this is the first time they’re using a teenager to portray the young version of Clark Kent in a Superman movie. How does that feel?

Clearly the interviewer didn't do their homework. Superman Returns had a 15-year-old actor, Stephan Bender, playing a 15-year-old Clark Kent.

 

[Asgard]

Maybe he never saw the movie.

Or maybe magic is real and someone, most likely a loved one, did him a favor and used a memory charm to remove anything SR related from his memory.

 

[Rust]

In I trust!!

Some quotes from Nolan to ease you a bit.

"...What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago, you know thrashing out where we might move on from the DARK KNIGHT we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said 'by the way, I think know how you approach Superman'... and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I’ve been able to conceive of how you’d address Superman in a modern context I thought it was a really exciting idea. What you have to remember about Batman and Superman is that what makes them the best superhero characters there are, the most beloved after all this time, is the essence of who they were when they were created, when they were first developed. You can’t move too far away from that.”

“It’s very exciting, we have a fantastic story…And we feel we can do it right. We know the milieu, if you will, we know the genre and how to get it done right…A lot of people have approached Superman in a lot of different ways. I only know the way that has worked for us…Each [film] serves to the internal logic of the story. They have nothing to do with each other.”


No guarantee at all, but at least it sounds promising.

 

[Herolee10]

Some quotes from Nolan to ease you a bit.

"...What it is, while David Goyer and myself were putting together the story for another Batman film a few years ago, you know thrashing out where we might move on from the DARK KNIGHT we got stuck. We were just sitting there idly chatting and he said 'by the way, I think know how you approach Superman'... and he told me his take on it. I thought it was really tremendous. It was the first time I’ve been able to conceive of how you’d address Superman in a modern context I thought it was a really exciting idea. What you have to remember about Batman and Superman is that what makes them the best superhero characters there are, the most beloved after all this time, is the essence of who they were when they were created, when they were first developed. You can’t move too far away from that.”

“It’s very exciting, we have a fantastic story…And we feel we can do it right. We know the milieu, if you will, we know the genre and how to get it done right…A lot of people have approached Superman in a lot of different ways. I only know the way that has worked for us…Each [film] serves to the internal logic of the story. They have nothing to do with each other.”


No guarantee at all, but at least it sounds promising.

True; and with the combination of Nolan and Goyer, one could expect to see a film that fully uses the richness of Superman's mythology while focusing on a strong character-driven story that everyone could at least generally enjoy watching.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Have the comics or any movie ever explained why Kal-el appears to be human in almost every way but internal anatomy?

 

[BH/HHH]

From that interview sounds like teen Clark's got a more meaty role than I was expecting.

 

[Micromind]

Have the comics or any movie ever explained why Kal-el appears to be human in almost every way but internal anatomy?

It was never clearly stated but it was hinted that Kryptonians looked like Humans due to principle of Convergent Evolution, as in past Krypton was similar to Earth, but later on as their Sun became a Red Giant as as the planet cooled Kryptonians evolved differently while still looked similar to Humans but with a different physiology.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Thematically, Krypton is simply the Earth of tomorrow and Superman is the man of tomorrow (an unused origin has Superman as being from Earth in the future). I like to think of Kryptonians as similar physiologically to humans except for whatever traits give them their powers. What's the point in putting their hearts in a different place or giving them an extra pair of lungs or whatever they do to make human-like aliens seem more alien?

 

[Asgard]

In Red Son, [blackout]Kryptonians are very distant descendants of humans.[/blackout]

 

[Rockstar]

Yup. I called it. This will be 'The Dark Knight' version of Superman.

We knew this when Nolan put his name on the project.


At the same time though, it will probably go over really well with general audiences and make the character of Superman 100x more relevant.

 

[Showtime]

No offense Rockstar, but with Goyer and Nolan on the project everybody was saying it would be the "Batman" version of Superman. The problem is, Superman being edgy is not all that exciting. All the heroes are "edgy".

 

[hopefuldreamer]

It's not like it says that in the official description. It's just how one teenager working on the project is interpreting and describing it.

And like Rockstar said, we all knew going in that this was going to be of a similar style to Chris Nolan and David Goyer's Batman films... MOS is their idea!

As for the word 'edgy', tbh I find it has no value. What does it even really mean? Can mean something different to everyone.

I wish I could ask the kid to describe what he meant by 'edgy'.

 

[Rodrigo90]

It's basically going to feel like a Nolan/Goyer movie, with the look of a Synder movie.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Well, destroying a whole planet and orphaning a baby is pretty damn edgy.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

It's not like it says that in the official description. It's just how one teenager working on the project is interpreting and describing it.

And like Rockstar said, we all knew going in that this was going to be of a similar style to Chris Nolan and David Goyer's Batman films... MOS is their idea!

As for the word 'edgy', tbh I find it has no value. What does it even really mean? Can mean something different to everyone.

I wish I could ask the kid to describe what he meant by 'edgy'.

It's not really the kids interpretation, he's just relaying what Snyder told him about what his take on Superman will be.

They're aiming for a specific tone. Similar to Nolan's Batman and Snyder's previous films.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I believe they'll get it right in expected ways and unexpected ways.

I think it'll definitely be a Superman edgy, not Batman.