All Things Superman: An Open Discussion - Part 8

[Marvin]

Are there any plans to include a MOS teaser with tdkr? Seems like a missed opportunity if not.

I'll send a letter to WB if that happens...my god that would be the dumbest move they could pull.

Plus, they wrapped production ages ago, half the films coming out next year have barely even started shooting. They're even still shooting hobbit.

I get that they want to keep MOS from taking buzz from batman, but as of that release date, all bets should be off.

 

[Micromind]

I fail to see how attaching a MOS teaser with TDKR will take away buzz from Batman movie.

 

[Blue Sugar]

In my dreamworld MOS will be a combination of the dramatic depth of BB and the fantastical action of The Avengers. All made with the warmest of hearts.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Not the perfect movie by a long shot but man was it fun and action packed. Great summer blockbuster. There are obviously some issues with the film though, just like any other movie. Going to be tough to see Captain America wandering around by himself being boring when you've seen him going back and forth with Iron-Man and Hulk.

Bigger question is how does an alien invasion with two aliens and one hero (Superman) compete with something like that...

Good question, but IMO you can do a very good blockbuster movie even with only two aliens. You are right, in The Avengers there is an Alien army, there are 6 heroes (but at least 3 without any great power), but there isn't a human army. During the movie my question was "Where is the us air force?". The component of "humans vs aliens" can be a key element.

 

[mclay18]

Avengers... not a movie to hold-up in repeat viewing.

I kindly disagree. It's not the novelty of seeing superheroes team up that's bringing people back for repeat viewings, but the team dynamic, good dialogue and that spectacular finale. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

 

[Micromind]

Watching Avengers multiple times require you to sit through the unnecessary long Helicarrier scene, that just dragged, while I watched how irritated heroes were getting, I was feeling the same.

 

[Marvin]

I fail to see how attaching a MOS teaser with TDKR will take away buzz from Batman movie.

I said they are holding off buzz at this present moment to avoid taking buzz away from Batman. The trailer being attached does no harm in this line of thinking.

As for the line of thinking itself. Each new Superhero picture's existence takes buzz away from all others in some way. Just this past week as the new trailers for each property's debut there was attention being shifted from one to they others. The worst thing WB could do is get buzz going for a new property only to take buzz away from the one they have soon opening. It's this line of thinking that justifies the lack of any Superman press release items thus far. Like I said, dropping the teaser with the highly attended TDKR would be the strongest move the studio could pull.

They've done it in the past with Watchmen. They should do it now. Cause no one has seen anything of the footage, we don't even have previous installments of Snyder Superman footage to draw on, Cavill is all but unknown, the villains? The kents? All very fresh and curious. A solid teaser(or trailer given they no doubt have the footage) would be excellent.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

$200.3m for The Avengers...in 3 days the final gross of Superman Returns

 

[Marvin]

Good question, but IMO you can do a very good blockbuster movie even with only two aliens. You are right, in The Avengers there is an Alien army, there are 6 heroes (but at least 3 without any great power), but there isn't a human army. During the movie my question was "Where is the us air force?". The component of "humans vs aliens" can be a key element.

The "us" is one of the things that drives fanboys nuts about things like Transformers. Fans want heroes only and that's what they probably got in Avengers.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

The "us" is one of the things that drives fanboys nuts about things like Transformers. Fans want heroes only and that's what they probably got in Avengers.

I don't know Zod vs the US Army was one of the best thing of Superman II.

 

[Rust]

Watching Avengers multiple times require you to sit through the unnecessary long Helicarrier scene, that just dragged, while I watched how irritated heroes were getting, I was feeling the same.

I actually prefered the the Heli-carrier part over the showdown. It was far better storywise and dynamically. The end was pretty generic and monotone in those departments, but did have some of the movies greatest / funniest moments.

 

[Marvin]

$200.3m for The Avengers...in 3 days the final gross of Superman Returns

To be fair that's domestically more than a lot films(including most of marvel studios fare)

But still, that's crazy. And puts things in perspective, big time.

 

[Rust]

To be fair that's domestically more than a lot films(including most of marvel studios fare)

But still, that's crazy. And puts things in perspective, big time.

Not sure what you mean. I thought this was the biggest opening weekend ever domestically?

 

[Showtime]

Superman's supposed to compete with Avengers the same way Iron man is supposed to....
it's not.
It's supposed to compete with Iron Man and that ilk.

You're making my point, not only can Man Of Steel most likely not compete with Iron Man, the ridiculousness that is Avengers makes Superman even less desirable.

Good question, but IMO you can do a very good blockbuster movie even with only two aliens. You are right, in The Avengers there is an Alien army, there are 6 heroes (but at least 3 without any great power), but there isn't a human army. During the movie my question was "Where is the us air force?". The component of "humans vs aliens" can be a key element.

I just think for the general public, the awesome action that is Avengers is what people are going to be yearning for and you're not going to get that no matter how much action Superman throws at you.

 

[Marvin]

Not sure what you mean. I thought this was the biggest opening weekend ever domestically?

It is. I'm responding to Avengers domestic weekend vs the domestic totals of other films.

 

[Marvin]

You're making my point, not only can Man Of Steel most likely not compete with Iron Man, the ridiculousness that is Avengers makes Superman even less desirable.

MOS will out gross Iron man, bet on it.

I just think for the general public, the awesome action that is Avengers is what people are going to be yearning for and you're not going to get that no matter how much action Superman throws at you.

Nah, if they're not going to have a problem with Nolans 5 set pieces they won't have a problems with Snyders 8. That they damn will should have had a problem with what ever it was Returns had...sheesh.
(fictional numbers by the way)

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, we still haven't seen "great" big city superhero destruction. The Chitauri were a joke. Mindless ants. I expect Zod and Faora to wreck Metropolis and for me to actually be invested in what's going on. To think that maybe Superman will have to push himself to be able to beat these guys who will have actual speaking lines.

The Avengers finale is great, but the villains, Loki included, were just there for the heroes to kick their collective ass over, and over. Even Hawkeye was able own Loki for god's sakes. I also felt like the heroes were a bit limited in their abilities. Most of the greatest bits involved either Thor or Hulk, the most powerful members of the team. Now imagine 3 characters with massive power duking it out. Suddenly Captain America shooting drones seems less epic, surely.

OK, just had to get that out of my chest. And I did love The Avengers.

 

[Rust]

MOS will out gross Iron man, bet on it.

Dunno about that, but it can almost certainly compete. If it cant it'll be a flaw in marketing.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Not the perfect movie by a long shot but man was it fun and action packed. Great summer blockbuster. There are obviously some issues with the film though, just like any other movie. Going to be tough to see Captain America wandering around by himself being boring when you've seen him going back and forth with Iron-Man and Hulk.

Bigger question is how does an alien invasion with two aliens and one hero (Superman) compete with something like that...

By not making this a game of one-upmanship. Going bigger isn't always the answer. Was The Dark Knight necessarily bigger than any of the X-Men movies? It was just one hero with no powers vs. a couple of villains with some scars on their faces, while the X-Men movies boast entire teams of super-powered heroes and villains going at it. And yet which movie is held in higher acclaim and is at the moment still the highest grossing superhero movie ever? I'm not saying how good the Avengers is because I still haven't seen it yet, but all it comes down to is bigger isn't always better.

 

[Micromind]

I can see the next years news discussion topic -

Iron Man Vs Man of Steel.

 

[Rockstar]

Man of Steel has a lot going against it:

-The June release date (the month where everything underperforms).

- Being sandwiched between a Will Smith blockbuster and a Brad Pitt blockbuster

- The audience apathy regarding Superman

- a 200 mil+ budget

- a studio which may not promote this as heavily as they did for Superman Returns

Iron Man 3 has everything going for it, especially after the success of the Avengers. Everyone will want to see what happens next.

 

[Rust]

By not making this a game of one-upmanship. Going bigger isn't always the answer. Was The Dark Knight necessarily bigger than any of the X-Men movies? It was just one hero with no powers vs. a couple of villains with some scars on their faces, while the X-Men movies boast entire teams of super-powered heroes and villains going at it. And yet which movie is held in higher acclaim and is at the moment still the highest grossing superhero movie ever? I'm not saying how good the Avengers is because I still haven't seen it yet, but all it comes down to is bigger isn't always better.

A lot of people dont really understand this. Lack of imagination it is.

 

[Showtime]

MOS will out gross Iron man, bet on it.

I will pass on that bet. Only 39 movies all time have made over $300 million domestic total. Two of them were Iron man flicks.

Nah, if they're not going to have a problem with Nolans 5 set pieces they won't have a problems with Snyders 8. That they damn will should have had a problem with what ever it was Returns had...sheesh.
(fictional numbers by the way)

You can't compare an upcoming Superman flick which followed an underperforming Superman Returns with the last movie in a trilogy that is following up a film that made over 500 million domestic.

By not making this a game of one-upmanship. Going bigger isn't always the answer. Was The Dark Knight necessarily bigger than any of the X-Men movies? It was just one hero with no powers vs. a couple of villains with some scars on their faces, while the X-Men movies boast entire teams of super-powered heroes and villains going at it. And yet which movie is held in higher acclaim and is at the moment still the highest grossing superhero movie ever? I'm not saying how good the Avengers is because I still haven't seen it yet, but all it comes down to is bigger isn't always better.

Well...I didn't say that Man Of Steel wouldn't be better, I said that the general public won't find it as appealing as mass destruction and a team of heroes going crazy on screen for 2 1/2 hours plus. There is no way that Avengers and even Dark Knight Rises doesn't effect how the general public views Superhero flicks going forward.

 

[Showtime]

I can see the next years news discussion topic -

Iron Man Vs Man of Steel.

I don't really think you can compare them box office wise, which is all I am talking about. Thinking Man of Steel is going to make 300+ million domestic is unfair to Superman, but the general public although Zombiesque sometimes is not stupid. You have to please them.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Man of Steel has a lot going against it:

-The June release date (the month where everything underperforms).

- Being sandwiched between a Will Smith blockbuster and a Brad Pitt blockbuster

- The audience apathy regarding Superman

- a 200 mil+ budget

- a studio which may not promote this as heavily as they did for Superman Returns

Iron Man 3 has everything going for it, especially after the success of the Avengers. Everyone will want to see what happens next.

Good points, but after 11 years of sh movies I think that a sh movie, if good, will meet its success. Batman Begins is the best example.

IMO, at this point, Superman isn't condemned to be a blockbuster anymore. It's duty is to generate a decent profit and to be useful for a JLA movie.