All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 92

[Lily Adler]

Yup



Actually, I think the thing to remember is that Snyder likes Miller's work.

He gained success with the adaption of '300' and is producing the sequel.

And now he picked a line from Miller's famous Batman/Superman story. Not just any line, but one about Batman beating Superman down.

Not to mention how they ended it with Superman making friends with the military and assuring them he only has America's interests at heart and is on their side...

Oh god, I think I feel sick.



Yeah unfortunately Wolverine popped into my head too...

The parallels to the Wolverine/Jean/Scott relationship can be seen. If WB/DC decide to go the Miller route then I shall unleash and wish for the fire of a thousand suns and bleach to ensure a slow painful death on all those involved with the project.

 

[BH/HHH]

Credit largely goes to HeroLee the Drama Queen.

Lol, the thing for me is you can enjoy the rise but you might not enjoy the finish. So the negativity from the start meas some people won't enjoy nothing. Isn't it better to enjoy at least part of the experience? I just wish people would just try n enjoy what's going on.

In 2015 we'll be seeing these two team up and I don't know about anyone else but I am damned excited. Cause I know at least the ride will be fun:

 

[Herolee10]

The parallels to the Wolverine/Jean/Scott relationship can be seen. If WB/DC decide to the Miller route then I shall unleash and wish for the fire of a thousand suns and bleach to ensure a slow painful death on all those involved with the project.

Worst Case scenario, if we did end up with a Wolverine/Jean/Cyclops situation for Batman/Lois/Superman in terms of their portrayals and even love lines, I hope as well that they'd fail in their properties, that Lois be killed off as Jean was, along with Superman and patiently wait for the next Superman reboot.

 

[J.Howlett]

lol; I'd still take a solo superman film that progressed his story from MOS as opposed to the so called "monumental" meeting between Batman and Superman.

And you seem to discount the fact that Goyer is on record as of yesterday saying that Superman's story will progress onward from Man of Steel in the next film. It's just that it has Batman in it.

This isn't like Captain America to the Avengers where they largely ignored the significance of Steve being in a different time period only to backtrack to that thread in the sequel after he already appeared in the Avengers.

If Goyer is on record saying that we're still working on getting Superman to that icon status and that that will be tackled in the next film that just happens to feature Batman, how can anyone complain about this?

 

[PacificBoy]

I think World's Finest is more of a business decision than a creative one, but you have to give WB props for making a ballsy, practically all or nothing move. If successful, the movie will build on the modern Superman franchise, reboot Batman's and springboard the Justice League.

 

[Herolee10]

And you seem to discount the fact that Goyer is on record as of yesterday saying that Superman's story will progress onward from Man of Steel in the next film. It's just that it has Batman in it.

This isn't like Captain America to the Avengers where they largely ignored the significance of Steve being in a different time period only to backtrack to that thread in the sequel after he already appeared in the Avengers.

If Goyer is on record saying that we're still working on getting Superman to that icon status and that that will be tackled in the next film that just happens to feature Batman, how can anyone complain about this?

Speaking of which, I'm actually wondering if the comments that both Goyer and Snyder made regarding their ideas for the sequel on Empire Magazine are still valid.

Did they give out those answers knowing already by then, thus talking about it, that they were going into a Superman/Batman film or has things changed because if this was something that Warner Bros. forced upon them last minute, then everything that they said regarding Superman's progression and his relationship with Lois no less may have been thrown out the window.

 

[J.Howlett]

In theory, all of these decisions by the companies are business decisions. Let's not act like the other company is doing it for the love of the fans and the characters. It's all about maximizing profits.

 

[Lily Adler]

But-but Marvel cares about me with their planned shared universe. DC is EVIL with their rushed hack job.

 

[J.Howlett]

Speaking of which, I'm actually wondering if the comments that both Goyer and Snyder made regarding their ideas for the sequel on Empire Magazine are still valid.

Did they give out those answers knowing already by then, thus talking about it, that they were going into a Superman/Batman film or has things changed because if this was something that Warner Bros. forced upon them last minute, then everything that they said regarding Superman's progression and his relationship with Lois no less may have been thrown out the window.

For me, this was the plan. Remember, Man of Steel finished filming in 2011 with a December 2012 initial release date that got pushed to Summer 2013.

That's A LOT of time to think about potential follow ups. I'm just guessing but I'm betting that Snyder had a cut of Man of Steel that was close to what we got in the early fall of 2012. That means, in theory, Goyer and Snyder could've hatched this plan over the last 8 months.

And remember, Goyer was coy as hell about what Man of Steel means for the Justice League and the greater DC universe as a whole.

I think they've known for months now. Months.

 

[J.Howlett]

Remember how Man of Steel was approached as. It was approached as an alien invasion story where Superman was the first time humanity had come in contact with an alien. It wasn't comic book in nature. It was sci-fi in nature. Like at the end of Batman Begins, Batman's presence in the world would have a response. We saw the response in the sequel.

The same thing is going to happen here. You don't have humanity's first contact with aliens and it not have a response. I'm willing to bet that a skeptical Batman, humanity and Lex Luthor are that response.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For me, this was the plan. Remember, Man of Steel finished filming in 2011 with a December 2012 initial release date that got pushed to Summer 2013.

That's A LOT of time to think about potential follow ups. I'm just guessing but I'm betting that Snyder had a cut of Man of Steel that was close to what we got in the early fall of 2012. That means, in theory, Goyer and Snyder could've hatched this plan over the last 8 months.

And remember, Goyer was coy as hell about what Man of Steel means for the Justice League and the greater DC universe as a whole.

I think they've known for months now. Months.

I think... This is most likely. And if it is true, then it bodes well for how far along in planning they already are. It makes me think now that the delay in release was good not just for sfx, but for Snyder and Goyer and co. to dig deep and do some serious world building. (Hopefully a world with Amazons, Greek Gods, Atlantis, White Martians and teenaged heroes from the future just so people can stop talking about how the GA would never accept all that. YEESH!t

 

[J.Howlett]

I think... This is most likely. And if it is true, then it bodes well for how far along in planning they already are. It makes me think now that the delay in release was good not just for sfx, but for Snyder and Goyer and co. to dig deep and do some serious world building. (Hopefully a world with Amazons, Greek Gods, Atlantis, White Martians and teenaged heroes from the future just so people can stop talking about how the GA would never accept all that. YEESH!t

Again, these are all my theories. First off, I was wrong. Filming finished in February 2012, with a initial release date of December 2012. Which means they had 10 full months of post production to do, which isn't technically correct because most films now do production and post-production at the same time.

Still, sometime in either July or August of 2012, they got word from WB that the release date had been pushed to June of 2013. So if they finished filming in February of that year that means they had 5 months post production work done before they got the new release date. From that time on, they had and extra six months to shape Man of Steel and have on going conversations about "what ifs".

To me, that's a lot of time. They knew that Superman's 75 year was going to be this summer and they knew that it would also be around Comic-Con.

To think that WB just threw this idea together is hogwash. They've had something mapped out for a while now.

 

[J.Howlett]

On June 10th, it was announced that Goyer previously signed a three picture deal with WB that included Man of Steel, it's sequel, and Justice League.

Funny how that proposed timeline of Man of Steel 2 for 2015, Flash for 2016, and Justice League for 2017 fits Goyer's deal.

Just sayin', people.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Again, these are all my theories. First off, I was wrong. Filming finished in February 2012, with a initial release date of December 2012. Which means they had 10 full months of post production to do, which isn't technically correct because most films now do production and post-production at the same time.

Still, sometime in either July or August of 2012, they got word from WB that the release date had been pushed to June of 2013. So if they finished filming in February of that year that means they had 5 months post production work done before they got the new release date. From that time on, they had and extra six months to shape Man of Steel and have on going conversations about "what ifs".

To me, that's a lot of time. They knew that Superman's 75 year was going to be this summer and they knew that it would also be around Comic-Con.

To think that WB just threw this idea together is hogwash. They've had something mapped out for a while now.

You make a good case. It could, I repeat, it could also be the actual reason why everyone involved was being so damned coy about JL, and the future Batman plans. They had this pretty far mapped out so they had this Ace up the sleeve that they waited to throw down and just blow everybody's mind at SDCC. Just go to the other boards. Only the Avengers announcements (and Tom H. doing some great fan service) come even close to the hype this is producing.

 

[J.Howlett]

You make a good case. It could, I repeat, it could also be the actual reason why everyone involved was being so damned coy about JL, and the future Batman plans. They had this pretty far mapped out so they had this Ace up the sleeve that they waited to throw down and just blow everybody's mind at SDCC. Just go to the other boards. Only the Avengers announcements (and Tom H. doing some great fan service) come even close to the hype this is producing.

It's beyond that. Age of Ultron means nothing to the general audience. You tell them Superman and Batman in the same film? Mind = Blown.

I know we live in an age in cinema and in the media for cinema that whatever Marvel's done is gold. Fine. Whatever.

You can't tell me with a straight face that the general audience will be more excited for the Avengers Age of Ultron than for a Superman/Batman film.

Just don't see it.

I don't care how good Avengers Age of Ultron is. It's already behind the eight ball because it isn't the first Avengers films and it ain't Batman and Superman on the screen together for the first time.

This is a whole other orbit.

 

[J.Howlett]

And it'd be a completely and totally whole different orbit if Bale was in this thing. If that happen, every film that summer could just go home and not come out. It wouldn't matter.

But that's not happening but that still doesn't change the fact that it's Superman and Batman together in a 200 million dollar tentpole film in two summers. For the first time ever. I can't overstate that enough. First time ever.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's beyond that. Age of Ultron means nothing to the general audience. You tell them Superman and Batman in the same film? Mind = Blown.

I know we live in an age in cinema and in the media for cinema that whatever Marvel's done is gold. Fine. Whatever.

You can't tell me with a straight face that the general audience will be more excited for the Avengers Age of Ultron than for a Superman/Batman film.

Just don't see it.

I don't care how good Avengers Age of Ultron is. It's already behind the eight ball because it isn't the first Avengers films and it ain't Batman and Superman on the screen together for the first time.

This is a whole other orbit.

100% agreed, this is the key thing DC has over Marvel, I think it'd be sang as the first Avengers was at the box office, maybe even more so

 

[J.Howlett]

Comic-Con 2014 is going to be insane. Avengers Age of Ultron will debut footage and you just know that WB will debut footage of this new film of Superman and Batman.

I eagerly await to see how that story will be spin on the interwebs.

 

[J.Howlett]

100% agreed, this is the key thing DC has over Marvel, I think it'd be sang as the first Avengers was at the box office, maybe even more so

Do you know what else is sad about Marvel's panel? 5 years in and still no film that has a female as the lead. For Christ's sake, they have ScarJo as part of their gallery of heroes. And yet, nothing.

That interview with the DC Entertainment President was revealing because she made it known that while Wonder Woman isn't here yet, IT IS A PRIORITY BIG TIME over at WB.

Write this down now folks. The Justice League film will be told from Wonder Woman's point of view in the Summer of 2017.

I'm telling you, I've got a hunch on this and it wasn't really mine. Scott Mendelson threw this up on his blog over at Forbes.com about what DC needs to do and it's a brilliant plan.

If that timeline of Flash in 2016 and Justice League in 2017 turns out to be correct, Mendelson will end up being Nostradamus when he called for Wonder Woman to be the main focal point in the Justice League film.

 

[BH/HHH]

Comic-Con 2014 is going to be insane. Avengers Age of Ultron will debut footage and you just know that WB will debut footage of this new film of Superman and Batman.

I eagerly await to see how that story will be spin on the interwebs.

I think I'd explode lol, so lets look at the calendar, shooting has to start by January right? So subs get the first trailer with Avengers, the first big trailer with Hobbit 3 and then the final trailers a month or two before release t:

 

[J.Howlett]

And it would be even more interesting if WB got that Wonder Woman show off the ground and the actress that plays her ends up being the actress that plays her in the Justice League film.

With Arrow being a hit and the possibility of Wonder Woman on the small screen all before 2017, who's to say that WB isn't getting their ducks in a row?

 

[DareDemon]

I'm more excited for World's Finest than Age of Ultron, and I'm more of a Marvel fan (although I consider Batman and Spider-Man my two favorites overall).

I want Bat-God!

 

[J.Howlett]

I think I'd explode lol, so lets look at the calendar, shooting has to start by January right? So subs get the first trailer with Avengers, the first big trailer with Hobbit 3 and then the final trailers a month or two before release t:

March 2014 is the absolute latest that they could start shooting. I'm guessing February is when they'll shoot. That gives them five months worth of footage if they start in March and six months worth of footage if they start in February.

Yeah, they're going to have something at Comic-Con next year.

Announcement trailer for World's Finest will be with WB's big tentpole film next summer. More footage will show at Comic-Con next summer. First full trailer will hit with the Hobbit There and Back Again in December of 2014.

 

[DareDemon]

It also seems the media is talking about this. The news was talking about "Batman and Superman" movie with no mention of Avengers. The GA is excited.

 

[Project862006]

anyone see the footage of announcement i got goosebumps