All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

[GreenKToo]

It all sounded ok except for the dark talk. Maybe he means it will be dark once Zod arrives and tries to take things over?
I can't believe he would even consider making superman himself dark.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Well since you're talking about Realism, I actually wonder if they'll give somewhat of a decent explanation as to why no one recognizes Clark as Superman due to him just simply wearing a normal pair of glasses?

hopefully not. That goes with the character.

 

[Micromind]

Nolan himself has said that Superman in MOS will not be dark, I think it is good that Nolan is involved in this project (with Goyer) and that some studio influence would be there (DC Entertainment execs like Geoff johns), otherwise who knows what Snyder will do if he left alone on the project.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The only reason i'm remaining hopeful about this movie is because of Goyer. Snyder doesnt know how to direct a good movie to save his life. He is a Michael Bay of sorts, perhaps even worse since in most of his movies his "vision" comes directly from some comics book. SuckerPunch is propably the exception although it canibalises tons of other franchises, comics, etc.

Nolan is the producer, so i dont know how much he'll affect the movie. I am not sure he gets the sentimentality, or the Lois and Clark banter that i'd like to see in a Superman movie.

And this is where Goyer comes in. I know he goes overboard sometimes, but Begins which i loved was his work. I'd rather have a good Superman movie with some bad spots, rather than a cold, mechanical Nolan Superman movie, or a *pow, wham, pssssh, capow, BAAAAM, splash, boom* slow motion Snyder movie.

Perhaps i'm exaggerating when it comes to Nolan and Snyder, but if i could produce a good superman movie my way, i wouldnt get either of them. As for Goyer, i think he gets comics, the genre, and the characters. I'd simply give his script to someone else to refine it before shooting.

 

[Micromind]

If MOS is successful, and Nolan and Goyer are still on board (I am sure that WB will keep Goyer.) do you think that they will continue with Snyder for the Sequel ?

 

[Willi Berg]

If MOS is successful, and Nolan and Goyer are still on board (I am sure that WB will keep Goyer.) do you think that they will continue with Snyder for the Sequel ?

If it's successful, I don't see why not. They'll probably keep the same main team, since they're keeping Nolan as producer even when he finishes his Batman.

I like Snyder. I like his fight/action scenes and his visuals. I like his style. Yes, he has his excesses but that's why I like this collaboration.

In that Newsweek interview, and in recent others, he does seem a bit defensive that he is not all about style, that he can make Superman "real", in the "real world", and it seems like he is trying to defend what detractors say about his stylised visuals etc.

 

[moviedoors]

I'm really curious about this update of traditional cameras for modern 3-D (though I could have done without the snide remarks towards Cameron. Where the hell did that come from? I'm sure realizes Cameron didn't invent 3-D?). If that works, it'll open up 3-D even more and it'll go a long way towards killing shoddy conversions.

As cool as new and improved 35mm 3-D, Peter Jackson is still going to change everything if The Hobbit gets wide release at 48 fps. That's going to be like a revelation.

 

[JAK®]

The only reason i'm remaining hopeful about this movie is because of Goyer. Snyder doesnt know how to direct a good movie to save his life. He is a Michael Bay of sorts, perhaps even worse since in most of his movies his "vision" comes directly from some comics book. SuckerPunch is propably the exception although it canibalises tons of other franchises, comics, etc.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

Am I the only one who's freak out by these Lindsay Lohan rumours? I mean what could posses them to cast her in the movie?

 

[GlasgowBat]

The only reason i'm remaining hopeful about this movie is because of Goyer. Snyder doesnt know how to direct a good movie to save his life. He is a Michael Bay of sorts, perhaps even worse since in most of his movies his "vision" comes directly from some comics book. SuckerPunch is propably the exception although it canibalises tons of other franchises, comics, etc.

Nolan is the producer, so i dont know how much he'll affect the movie. I am not sure he gets the sentimentality, or the Lois and Clark banter that i'd like to see in a Superman movie.

And this is where Goyer comes in. I know he goes overboard sometimes, but Begins which i loved was his work. I'd rather have a good Superman movie with some bad spots, rather than a cold, mechanical Nolan Superman movie, or a *pow, wham, pssssh, capow, BAAAAM, splash, boom* slow motion Snyder movie.

Perhaps i'm exaggerating when it comes to Nolan and Snyder, but if i could produce a good superman movie my way, i wouldnt get either of them. As for Goyer, i think he gets comics, the genre, and the characters. I'd simply give his script to someone else to refine it before shooting.

I don't think i've ever seen a cold or mechanical Nolan film. Every single film the man has made has at it's core an emotional resonance, a richness of feeling hardwired into the story.

I feel that, having never been impressed by snyder, there is still plenty reason for optimism. The cast so far is stellar, and the inclusion of zod points at the possibility of exploring Clarks ideological journey as it develops throughout the narrative.

 

[Willi Berg]

Am I the only one who's freak out by these Lindsay Lohan rumours? I mean what could posses them to cast her in the movie?

Don't worry about Lindsay for Superman. She recently said she wanted the role of Glinda the Good Witch (!) in "Oz: The Great and Powerful" with James Franco but she's not in the running. She also wants to be in Oliver Stone's new movie "Savages", as well as talking up herself for the Gotti project. She is just trying desperately to land a job and/or connect herself to big projects.

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/lilo_gottis_are_my_old_pals_qqKn0pwr0EALh9n6nWBGCJ

 

[Project862006]

The only reason i'm remaining hopeful about this movie is because of Goyer. Snyder doesnt know how to direct a good movie to save his life. He is a Michael Bay of sorts, perhaps even worse since in most of his movies his "vision" comes directly from some comics book. SuckerPunch is propably the exception although it canibalises tons of other franchises, comics, etc.

Nolan is the producer, so i dont know how much he'll affect the movie. I am not sure he gets the sentimentality, or the Lois and Clark banter that i'd like to see in a Superman movie.

And this is where Goyer comes in. I know he goes overboard sometimes, but Begins which i loved was his work. I'd rather have a good Superman movie with some bad spots, rather than a cold, mechanical Nolan Superman movie, or a *pow, wham, pssssh, capow, BAAAAM, splash, boom* slow motion Snyder movie.

Perhaps i'm exaggerating when it comes to Nolan and Snyder, but if i could produce a good superman movie my way, i wouldnt get either of them. As for Goyer, i think he gets comics, the genre, and the characters. I'd simply give his script to someone else to refine it before shooting.

you just confirmed never to take your opinion to merit ever again LOL

 

[Sabaoth]

Kurosawa and others totally misunderstood Zack's quote.

He means that the environment is going to be realistic. Superman's powers are going to work under the laws of physic and all. That means, no flying with Lois and hes just holding her by the hand only. Realism means verosimilitude. The same concept Nolan applied for Batman. What would happen if Superman and aliens appeared in our world today? That's what he means. Its pretty obvious by all his interviews that he meant that.

Our world today is dark and grim and Superman is going to work under that. As he is going to be a beacon in this world, after all, this is what Superman is all about.

CHILL GUYS!

You don't know if that is what he meant, that's just a guess on your part.
I think the whole "beacon in this world" thing ends with the upcoming last stand of the Donnerverse on the Smallville Season Finale; Snyder & Co. are getting rid of the "big blue boyscout" and are presenting us with something new, fresh, and unpredictable!
Some people have the idea that Snyder is going to take a good, wholesome Chris Reeve like Superman (with the traditional Superman costume, no less!) and stick him in a "dark" realistic world; I think they are going to change the character (this can be done successfully as demonstrated in the critically acclaimed Superman:Earth One graphic novel).
And again, I don't think fanboy opinion amounts to any significant WOM when it comes to the success or failure of a movie (IE. Kick Ass, Scott Pilgrim).
I mean, let's be completely honest, if in MOS, Superman ends up wearing a red and black costume with a silver 'S', we will ***** and moan about for days, but we will still go see it and probably be first in line on opening night anyway.

 

[BH/HHH]

Am I the only one who's freak out by these Lindsay Lohan rumours? I mean what could posses them to cast her in the movie?

Don't worry it won't happen.

http://www.**************.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=35387

from CBM

 

[Zionite]

You don't know if that is what he meant, that's just a guess on your part.
I think the whole "beacon in this world" thing ends with the upcoming last stand of the Donnerverse on the Smallville Season Finale; Snyder & Co. are getting rid of the "big blue boyscout" and are presenting us with something new, fresh, and unpredictable!
Some people have the idea that Snyder is going to take a good, wholesome Chris Reeve like Superman (with the traditional Superman costume, no less!) and stick him in a "dark" realistic world; I think they are going to change the character (this can be done successfully as demonstrated in the critically acclaimed Superman:Earth One graphic novel).
And again, I don't think fanboy opinion amounts to any significant WOM when it comes to the success or failure of a movie (IE. Kick Ass, Scott Pilgrim).
I mean, let's be completely honest, if in MOS, Superman ends up wearing a red and black costume with a silver 'S', we will ***** and moan about for days, but we will still go see it and probably be first in line on opening night anyway.

Painful piont,You made there.True but Painful.
I loved Superman Earth one but in my opinion their version of Clarkkent has some annoying flaws.Hardly smiling was one.Another flaw was the fact he became superman becuse he was forced to.That annoyed the hell out of me.They were they wqrote it it was like he became superman just to fight off aliens.Superman is more than that.
I honestly dont mind certain changes to the costume.Changes like no-undies.But the suit most be identifiable as a ssuperman suit.And a blacksuit is not superman its batman.
Also Snyder has said he is going to change Clarks character.He will not be a boy scout.I prefer they go with the charcater in Birthright

 

[Kokomo29]

Don't worry it won't happen.

http://www.**************.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=35387

from CBM

That article seems to support the validity of the rumor. I really, really hope that she is not in the movie!!!

 

[BH/HHH]

That article seems to support the validity of the rumor. I really, really hope that she is not in the movie!!!

Bit its CBM

I really dont see her been in the film after all the great casting so far she just doesnt fit the bill. If this had been a Lindsay Lohan coming off Mean Girls I would have been all for it.

 

[Willi Berg]

Painful piont,You made there.True but Painful.
I loved Superman Earth one but in my opinion their version of Clarkkent has some annoying flaws.Hardly smiling was one.Another flaw was the fact he became superman becuse he was forced to.That annoyed the hell out of me.They were they wqrote it it was like he became superman just to fight off aliens.Superman is more than that.
I honestly dont mind certain changes to the costume.Changes like no-undies.But the suit most be identifiable as a ssuperman suit.And a blacksuit is not superman its batman.
Also Snyder has said he is going to change Clarks character.He will not be a boy scout.I prefer they go with the charcater in Birthright

I don't think they're going to make such a sudden departure from the Superman we know but just explain his motivations more, make them deeper. In Donner's Superman there's more this sense of destiny in him becoming Superman, a saviour brought to our world, whereas now we'll probably see him come to a decision because he is driven to it because of the problems he sees in the world and then the complications that arise becoming this hero, much like Nolan's Batman. A main difference being that Superman's character himself is not as troubled, and his personality could also be a hindrance to him, his good intentions may not always work out for the best. And he probably won't just be this simple figure of worship seen as "the light" but something more complicated than that, even if he does have good intentions or is good-natured.

 

[youkaisama]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04...registered-plot-premise-for-the-man-of-steel/

Another Birthright rumour. I guess the storyline will be pretty much be Birthright with the invasion changed with Zod.

 

[BH/HHH]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04...registered-plot-premise-for-the-man-of-steel/

Another Birthright rumour. I guess the storyline will be pretty much be Birthright with the invasion changed with Zod.

That sounds pretty much perfect to me

 

[KRIM]

It's weird how BR gets almost universal love now, and yet at the time of its release it really divided the fanbase. Now it's not even official canon. Ah well.

Any inspiration from that story is great to see. That was a modern Superman if I'd ever seen it.

 

[Willi Berg]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04...registered-plot-premise-for-the-man-of-steel/

Another Birthright rumour. I guess the storyline will be pretty much be Birthright with the invasion changed with Zod.

It won't necessarily follow Birthright entirely, and that story could mainly be used for the earlier parts of the story, since that's all that synopsis gives away (the beginning.)

It does sound pretty good though, and sounds right- that he is forced to use his powers, and then returning to Smallville gives a chance to view his backstory, in what sounds like will be in flashback, and then can move on to the main plot.

 

[Zionite]

It won't necessarily follow Birthright entirely, and that story could mainly be used for the earlier parts of the story, since that's all that synopsis gives away (the beginning.)

It does sound pretty good though, and sounds right- that he is forced to use his powers, and then returning to Smallville gives a chance to view his backstory, in what sounds like will be in flashback, and then can move on to the main plot.

Thrilled they are using BR. Really wondering how Zod fits into all of this though.Any guesses?

 

[Zionite]

hopefully not. That goes with the character.

what do you mean "That goes with the charaxcter"Theres nothing wrong with explaining it.In fact if they really are going with the relistic approach its best f they explain the glasses.

 

[BH/HHH]

Thrilled they are using BR. Really wondering how Zod fits into all of this though.Any guesses?

Like someone said aboive in Birthright theres a fake Kryptonian invasion maybe in this there's a real Kryptonian invasion but they could just be using elements of Birthright.