All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

[BH/HHH]

Yeah. He mentioned it last last night/morning. I was egging him on to release it.

Egg him more

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Sorry, but Returns is worse than 3 and 4?

You're entitled to that opinion. Doesn't make it right or wrong. But still.

Actually there is a Superman Returns section to that conversation. Hint.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Liked i said, at least Superman was in character in those movies. And when he wasnt, it was explained why.

Superman, in Singer's movie, was reluctant to save people (he almost didnt go to save the plane), reluctant to go back to metropolis if it wasnt for his mother, no shirt rip( CG shirt rip doesnt count), spying on people, broke a family. etc

Sorry but better effects( Even that can be argued), better production values, beautiful sets and more money doesnt save characterization and story imo.

Should I go on?

SR is just a really bad movie. It an expensive BAD movie. And that's why it didnt get a sequel.

People were too happy that Superman returned to the theaters after a long time. I was one of them. I brought 5 friends to watch the movie because i believed in my heart it would be a good one and it would show people whos the boss. But when the movie really sink in, after the excitement, people started to understand how bad it really is.

That why we should pray this one is good. PRAY!!!!

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Actually there is a Superman Returns section to that conversation. Hint.

Hi.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Despite what The Batman and FilmNerdJamie are saying, I remember the people here being fairly divided when SR came out. I distinctly remember SOME people lashing out at it like it was the worst film ever made, while others praised. For me, personally, there were things I liked about it but my biggest gripe was that it felt like a movie that wasn't about Superman, which it should have been. Then, upon rewatching it, I started to understand why... I honestly don't think Routh's acting was up to par, and my guess is (despite what his devotees might say) that Singer cut a large number of scenes where he, you know, spoke.

And if that wasn't the case, well then, the only other conclusion you could make was that Singer and his writers simply didn't know what to do with the main character. They didn't know how to make him interesting.

Maybe it was both.

All I know is, that I was lukewarm on the movie when it came out, and as time rolled on, the taste it left in my mouth grew worse. If you consider that to be "revisionist," then fine. But I would look at it more like this: I was really excited about the film, all the way through it's production. But when I saw it, it was underwhelming. When that happens, you either HATE the movie, or you want to like it so badly, you try to rationalize it and think about the things that did work. Until you watch it a second time and all of the things you didn't like suddenly look a lot worse.

But I can't speak for other people. I don't know what the ratio of SR haters and lovers was here, but I do remember at least a few people bashing it. I even remember a little graphic someone made of the Black Pearl shooting Superman out of the sky with a cannon after POTC2 beat SR ass at the box office.

 

[BH/HHH]

I love Superman Returns. It's one of my five favorite superhero films... Never really understood the intense backlash. Obviously I understand why many don't like it, but the assertion that it was a terrible film is just completely unwarranted and makes me question people's taste. Same goes for Ang Lee's Hulk. How good it was is debatable, as well as the quality of the interpretation of the characters, but I don't see how many can justify saying it was an awful film.

The only thing about the SR that was truly awful (IMO, obviously) was Kate Bosworth. She was terrible, and deserves all the hate she gets. The rest of the criticism just seems like fanboy nitpicking and unwarranted venom.

The really sad thing are the people who liked it at first but have since "realized" how flawed it was... Had to fit in with the fanboy/internet community I guess.

I've always loved it and acknowledged its flaws cause it has many. As a one off movie I love it but I'm glad they arent making a sequel to it. I just see it as a nice bookend to the Donnerverse and that plane scene is just WOW they will have to do something special to top that in Man of Steel.

Bosworth was terrible, completely miscast but in her defence the script didn't help her one bit.

Sometimes though you can look at something with rose tinited glasses. I think many people thought this was going to kickstart a new franchise and were simply willing to ignore the films flaws cause they were so desperate for another Superman film and one where he gets physical.

From the looks of it with Man of Steel though we are getting the Superman film we always wanted a new fresh start.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Hi.

I dont want to talk about that movie anymore. I've had enough of it for a lifetime.t:

 

[Showtime]

Liked i said, at least Superman was in character in those movies. And when he wasnt, it was explained why.

Superman, in Singer's movie, was reluctant to save people (he almost didnt go to save the plane), reluctant to go back to metropolis if it wasnt for his mother, no shirt rip( CG shirt rip doesnt count), spying on people, broke a family. etc

Sorry but better effects( Even that can be argued), better production values, beautiful sets and more money doesnt save characterization and story imo.

Should I go on?

SR is just a really bad movie. It an expensive BAD movie. And that's why it didnt get a sequel.

People were too happy that Superman returned to the theaters after a long time. I was one of them. I brought 5 friends to watch the movie because i believed in my heart it would be a good one and it would show people whos the boss. But when the movie really sink in, after the excitement, people started to understand how bad it really is.

That why we should pray this one is good. PRAY!!!!

Well you probably shouldn't go on, because although this is an open discussion, why are we still talking about Superman Returns.

Also, that isn't why it didn't get a sequel. A LOT more to it than that, including Singer jumping ship to another project when he was supposed to be working on the sequel. If you remember, they actually were going forward with a sequel.

It doesn't matter anyway, but it's easy to just ignore facts.

 

[BH/HHH]

Liked i said, at least Superman was in character in those movies. And when he wasnt, it was explained why.

Superman, in Singer's movie, was reluctant to save people (he almost didnt go to save the plane), reluctant to go back to metropolis if it wasnt for his mother, no shirt rip( CG shirt rip doesnt count), spying on people, broke a family. etc

Sorry but better effects( Even that can be argued), better production values, beautiful sets and more money doesnt save characterization and story imo.

Should I go on?

SR is just a really bad movie. It an expensive BAD movie. And that's why it didnt get a sequel.

People were too happy that Superman returned to the theaters after a long time. I was one of them. I brought 5 friends to watch the movie because i believed in my heart it would be a good one and it would show people whos the boss. But when the movie really sink in, after the excitement, people started to understand how bad it really is.

That why we should pray this one is good. PRAY!!!!

Even though I do love Superman Returns I get what you are saying. It was one hell of an expensive movie and it doesn't actually have a lot to show for it. There are some great moments in the film but not many and I agree mostly the FX weren't all bar a few scenes. I also agree that Superman is a secondary character in the film, hes also the quietest Superman I've seen since the Fleischer cartoons.

I love the film but I wanted a reboot aswell and am so glad we're getting one and PRAY to god its a great film and a huge hit cause if not it could be a very very long time before we get a solo Superman movie again.

 

[SuperDaniel]

The good things about SR werent even Singer's idea. They were stolen from JJ Abrams script that he should even sue them for that.

 

[Doc Ock]

I'm so excited to have a new Superman film that I really in the end don't care that much about who is playing what role. I just want more Superman awesomeness.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Lets hope that this time our excitement is rewarded!

 

[Showtime]

The good things about SR werent even Singer's idea. They were stolen from JJ Abrams script that he should even sue them for that.

Now you're just completely and sadly uniformed in regards to the situation and Hollywood in general.

WB wanted anybody doing a Superman movie to use as much of what had been written or created previously in any new movie that was made. They paid for what was done, and wanted to see that money they spent on screen. See the plane sequence and some other bits and pieces.

Also, Abrams can't sue anybody because he didn't have rights to the script, WB did. So they could do what they wanted with it.

Now enough Superman Returns talk.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah, I hope so. Most of all, I just hope they understand that the movie needs to be fun. I'm worried that (like SR) everyone in the film is going to act like the world is one big giant funeral.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, I hope so. Most of all, I just hope they understand that the movie needs to be fun. I'm worried that (like SR) everyone in the film is going to act like the world is one big giant funeral.

I really think WBs will have learned from that movies mistakes. Also I'm really not worried I'm pretty confident that Nolan & Goyer have writtena fantastic script and that Snyder will satisy the visuals to the scenes from the scripts with the fantastic actors we have doing the dialogue justice. I really do think this movies gonna be up there with the Dark Knight.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Now you're just completely and sadly uniformed in regards to the situation and Hollywood in general.

WB wanted anybody doing a Superman movie to use as much of what had been written or created previously in any new movie that was made. They paid for what was done, and wanted to see that money they spent on screen. See the plane sequence and some other bits and pieces.

Also, Abrams can't sue anybody because he didn't have rights to the script, WB did. So they could do what they wanted with it.

Now enough Superman Returns talk.

Thats cool then. But still, my point still stands that Singer didnt bring anything new to the table and the thing fans praise the most, ie, the plane sequence, wasnt his idea at all so he shouldn't take credit for it.

Yeah. Enough!

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Thats cool then. But still, my point still stands that Singer didnt bring anything new to the table and the thing fans praise the most, ie, the plane sequence, wasnt his idea at all so he shouldn't take credit for it.

Yeah. Enough!

And my point still stands that the film is fine and you're being selective with info and what really happened. Leave it at that.

Yeah. Enough.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I really think WBs will have learned from that movies mistakes. Also I'm really not worried I'm pretty confident that Nolan & Goyer have writtena fantastic script and that Snyder will satisy the visuals to the scenes from the scripts with the fantastic actors we have doing the dialogue justice. I really do think this movies gonna be up there with the Dark Knight.

Yeah, I hope so. I'm just a bit worried about all of these "real world" comments they keep making. I don't know... I kind of like the idea of Superman in a more fantastical world, where technology is advancing at a crazy pace due to the innovations of Luthor and there are other superpowered beings emerging. The way they're making it sound, I'm worried that it will be two pretentious hours of Superman trying to prove to people he's not a threat, with one big battle at the end. I hope not though, because I think that will once again have people singing the tune that "Superman is outdated."

 

[Doc Ock]

I really think WBs will have learned from that movies mistakes. Also I'm really not worried I'm pretty confident that Nolan & Goyer have writtena fantastic script and that Snyder will satisy the visuals to the scenes from the scripts with the fantastic actors we have doing the dialogue justice. I really do think this movies gonna be up there with the Dark Knight.

I have faith it will be good. And much better than The Dark Knight!

 

[SuperDaniel]

And my point still stands that the film is fine. Leave it at that.

Yeah. Enough.

Selective how? Im saying that Singer doesnt deserve the praise he got from that scene because it was from JJ Abrams script and thats it. Who cares if it he was allowed to use it? He could've come up with a different, more original idea if he looked at the comics. Oh. That's right. He never did. He was making a movie for the Devil Wears Prada audience.

Film is fine to you and terrible to me. Opinions.

BTW, If its an open discussion, why cant we talk about SR here too? Maybe you guys shouldnt have this kind of topic here then. Or maybe then you guys should be so goddamn strict about the whole situation. We're having a decent normal conversation about and nobody is calling people names and all.

 

[Showtime]

Thats cool then. But still, my point still stands that Singer didnt bring anything new to the table and the thing fans praise the most, ie, the plane sequence, wasnt his idea at all so he shouldn't take credit for it.

Yeah. Enough!

Singer wanted to do a plane sequence on his own accord, and WB wanted him to use what was already there in regards to plane sequence that Abrams came up with. If you read both scripts, they are different, despite both being plane sequences anyway. Also, by that token, did Abrams steal the idea from Fleischer's Japoteurs & Atom Man vs Superman w/Kirk Alyn?

 

[Showtime]

BTW, If its an open discussion, why cant we talk about SR here too? Maybe you guys shouldnt have this kind of topic here then. Or maybe then you guys should be so goddamn strict about the whole situation. We're having a decent normal conversation about and nobody is calling people names and all.

...because I said so?

There. I changed the title. So we're covered.

 

[The Batman]

I applaud the mods for discontinuing SR talk. Because ALL some of you do is complain about SR.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Singer wanted to do a plane sequence on his own accord, and WB wanted him to use what was already there in regards to plane sequence that Abrams came up with. If you read both scripts, they are different, despite both being plane sequences anyway. Also, by that token, did Abrams steal the idea from Fleischer's Japoteurs & Atom Man vs Superman w/Kirk Alyn?

I dont remember much. I have to read it again but I always thought they were quite similar. And it fit JJ script much more than Singers because of the action beats and all.

OK. Ill respect the rules cause im tired of talking about it too. Anways, what do u guys think would be a good introduction to Superman this time around?

 

[--Zero-Ethic--]

There. I changed the title. So we're covered.

Awesome lol