BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - Part 45

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[Crimson King]

They announced "a Marvel movie." They didn't announce which one, which really isn't an announcement.

And I was here, under the name J. Howlett. So, I'm up on the conversation.

Then I don't see how you think it'll pass without someone in here crying victory.

And just so we're clear, you'd see the same thing on the Marvel boards if DC moved. People are nuts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This film is likely to move.

There are no films currently slotted for July 22nd 2016. I could see this film moving to that date.

 

[The Guard]

What is the hatred with the Jesus allegories around here?

They're just visual allegories, meant to convey that he is a Christ Figure/savior. Which he's been for a long, long time in the comics and otherwise.

Christ/savior allegories are rarely all that subtle. But complaining about this stuff is kind of like whining because a sunrise/sunset is used to convey a concept/theme in a film.

 

[Jumpman]

This film is likely to move.

There are no films currently slotted for July 22nd 2016. I could see this film moving to that date.

Superman vs. Batman could move to March or July or stay put. As much as I would like for WB to go back to their bread and butter spot of mid-July for their tentpole films, I wouldn't mind getting this film in March of 2016. Nothing's really there and Snyder technically put March on the box office map with 300 and, to a smaller degree, Watchmen. That's kind of his month. Why not go back there for this film?

 

[Marvin]

You think so? Because if Marvel moves, I guarantee you there will be people in here cheering WB for not budging.

As for the Jesus thing, you can hardly blame anyone for calling Snyder out on it. It was blatant, and not just in the water scene. There's the clip of him doing the Jesus pose falling out of the ship and then you have Jesus' face right over his shoulder when he's talking to the priest. Not the most subtle hints in the world.

The jesus over his shoulder thing would be a bother to me had it not been a setting littered with jesus plastered everywhere. Like in a mall for example. The man walked into a frontier church.

As for the blatant posing. I personally don't see what it takes away. For all people say about what it adds, I'm not so sure what it takes away. A quick over used allegorical visual to fictions most famous savior. If they had blade do the pose I'd see no issue. To speak personally, I think it would distract me if I was a serious atheist that wanted that stuff out of modern media or a big theist what didn't think this was honoring the material...otherwise I don't get the big deal. Not so far removed from people that feel distracted by a sears bill board over faora's shoulder. Meh.

Yea I'm sure some people will cheer if WB stays. The same people that cheer when mos performs well. I'm talking more about the Forbes magazine guy and Grace randolphs of the world...the ************** talk backs..
things can get pretty trite and petty either way I guess. But moreso in the direction of the 'underdog'.

I personally like to see WB in the july spot. It's like they got caught up in this avengers marvel success that they forgot their own. First mos and now. Next Michael Bay will be forgoing his big July 4th dates for the may spot. Dumb.
I get how being the big opener with no buzz competition but 2008 really should be WB's format. Even if Marvel has one in may and one in the later summer.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Superman vs. Batman could move to March or July or stay put. As much as I would like for WB to go back to their bread and butter spot of mid-July for their tentpole films, I wouldn't mind getting this film in March of 2016. Nothing's really there and Snyder technically put March on the box office map with 300 and, to a smaller degree, Watchmen. That's kind of his month. Why not go back there for this film?

I doubt this film stays put as it will be a detriment to the Superhero genre in general.

 

[The Guard]

The jesus over his shoulder thing would be a bother to me had it not been a setting littered with jesus plastered everywhere. Like in a mall for example. The man walked into a frontier church.

This.

First, it's a beautiful image. Stained glass? Yes, please.

Also, I'm fairly certain the "Jesus over the shoulder" thing is not just to show the audience that Superman is a Christ symbol, but to drive home that the priest, without actually saying it, realizes upon Clark's emergence that "THIS COULD BE THE SAVIOR!" It's about the moment.

Look at the priest in that scene. He's incredibly nervous. He understands the importance of what's happening, who Superman is, who he could be, what he could mean to humanity, etc. Its subtle, but its there.

 

[Jumpman]

Also, because we know WB's not shooting two films back to back, does this film need 17 months of post-production time to finish...especially when you consider that most big, tentpole films do produciton and post-production at the same time in this day and age of cinema.

Not saying that Snyder isn't going bat**** insane with the scope of this film, but that long for post-production?

Just don't see the need for it. I'm almost willing to bet that WB's in a wait and see mode with what footage they see from the film and if they film looks to be shaping up nicely and completely on schedule, I wouldn't shock me if WB moved it to March 2016.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

there's no way they move from that date. can you imagine the **** storm from fanboys that would occur? if they do it'll be for a sooner date. they're taking so many L's against mavel as it is.

 

[Hammer!]

The jesus over his shoulder thing would be a bother to me had it not been a setting littered with jesus plastered everywhere. Like in a mall for example. The man walked into a frontier church.

As for the blatant posing. I personally don't see what it takes away. For all people say about what it adds, I'm not so sure what it takes away. A quick over used allegorical visual to fictions most famous savior. If they had blade do the pose I'd see no issue. To speak personally, I think it would distract me if I was a serious atheist that wanted that stuff out of modern media or a big theist what didn't think this was honoring the material...otherwise I don't get the big deal. Not so far removed from people that feel distracted by a sears bill board over faora's shoulder. Meh.

Yea I'm sure some people will cheer if WB stays. The same people that cheer when mos performs well. I'm talking more about the Forbes magazine guy and Grace randolphs of the world...the ************** talk backs..
things can get pretty trite and petty either way I guess. But moreso in the direction of the 'underdog'.

I personally like to see WB in the july spot. It's like they got caught up in this avengers marvel success that they forgot their own. First mos and now. Next Michael Bay will be forgoing his big July 4th dates for the may spot. Dumb.
I get how being the big opener with no buzz competition but 2008 really should be WB's format. Even if Marvel has one in may and one in the later summer.

What's wrong with Grace Randolph other than her not liking Man of Steel? I don't get it. She's consistent with her opinions, honest, and works pretty hard to support her own channel.

 

[Jumpman]

Marvin,

It is kind of frustrating that WB is chasing that spot of May, considering with Nolan's trilogy and Harry Potter and to a lesser degree Pacific Rim, WB has shown that they open their films very big in that mid-July spot. That's their spot. I was just stake that spot as the "end of summer big movie spot for WB."

 

[Dr. Evil]

there's no way they move from that date. can you imagine the **** storm from fanboys that would occur? if they do it'll be for a sooner date. they're taking so many L's next to mavel as it is.

They have to though. How does the genre of Superhero films benefit from two film opening from the same week? Nobody wins. It's like if you put Star Wars and Star Trek on the same weekend. It benefits nobody.

Studio insiders say that it's a no-win situation if the two films remain on the same date.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

[Crimson King]

The jesus over his shoulder thing would be a bother to me had it not been a setting littered with jesus plastered everywhere. Like in a mall for example. The man walked into a frontier church.

So you don't think the camera placement was deliberate? I disagree.

It's not so much that they used the allegory--because it's been done before many times in Superman's history--but that it was done so much. Once? Great, we get it. Twice? Uh, okay. Three times? ALRIGHT ALREADY.

 

[Marvin]

Superman vs. Batman could move to March or July or stay put. As much as I would like for WB to go back to their bread and butter spot of mid-July for their tentpole films, I wouldn't mind getting this film in March of 2016. Nothing's really there and Snyder technically put March on the box office map with 300 and, to a smaller degree, Watchmen. That's kind of his month. Why not go back there for this film?

The downside to march is that the gamble. For starters summer movie success somewhat derives from the fact that people are on break from school and teaching and what not. Same as mid winter. Secondly studios put their biggest films in the summer(or mid winter). For WB to take maybe their most significant and maybe biggest film ever and all of a sudden place it in march. That's not to different than releasing TDK in Feb. Kinda strange and def a gamble.

The benefit of that would be all the trades citing the March record.
Opening a summer movie in a 'small' month and claiming said record is worth something in this day and age.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Maybe because I am not Christian, but I don't understand any of the Jesus allegories in this thread and what it has to do with Superman

 

[Jumpman]

This.

First, it's a beautiful image. Stained glass? Yes, please.

Also, I'm fairly certain the "Jesus over the shoulder" thing is not just to show the audience that Superman is a Christ symbol, but to drive home that the priest, without actually saying it, realizes upon Clark's emergence that "THIS COULD BE THE SAVIOR!" It's about the moment.

Look at the priest in that scene. He's incredibly nervous. He understands the importance of what's happening, who Superman is, who he could be, what he could mean to humanity, etc. Its subtle, but its there.

God Lord, I've never thought of that! Man, this is a film that keeps on giving. Wow!

 

[Jumpman]

The downside to march is that the gamble. For starters summer movie success somewhat derives from the fact that people are on break from school and teaching and what not. Same as mid winter. Secondly studios put their biggest films in the summer(or mid winter). For WB to take maybe their most significant and maybe biggest film ever and all of a sudden place it in march. That's not to different than releasing TDK in Feb. Kinda strange and def a gamble.

The benefit of that would be all the trades citing the March record.
Opening a summer movie in a 'small' month and claiming said record is worth something in this day and age.

Very true. Completely agree. In the end, though, money is money. If WB moves to March and this film rules for 2 months and scores 1.3 billion worldwide or something like that in March, does it really matter when it opens?

Get what you're saying and completely agree but for me, if WB is serious about this cinematic universe (which I don't think they are in the way the fans want it to be constructed), shouldn't it be about maximizing the most profit?

 

[Marvin]

This.

First, it's a beautiful image. Stained glass? Yes, please.

Also, I'm fairly certain the "Jesus over the shoulder" thing is not just to show the audience that Superman is a Christ symbol, but to drive home that the priest, without actually saying it, realizes upon Clark's emergence that "THIS COULD BE THE SAVIOR!" It's about the moment.

Look at the priest in that scene. He's incredibly nervous. He understands the importance of what's happening, who Superman is, who he could be, what he could mean to humanity, etc. Its subtle, but its there.

It's story telling by way of visuals. If this was a pixar movie, that much would be obvious. I fear things aren't taken for what they are when it comes to this production. There is alot of preconception/expectations/disdain for overuse..etc.

The moment symbolized a man stepping forward and sacrificing himself for man, savior style. A visual nod to the originator doesn't hurt.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

They have to though. How does the genre of Superhero films benefit from two film opening from the same week? Nobody wins. It's like if you put Star Wars and Star Trek on the same weekend. It benefits nobody.

Studio insiders say that it's a no-win situation if the two films remain on the same date.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

they don't need to do anything. the implication of moving batman/superman because of of captain america would seem like a defeat for a lot of people. I'd bet they'd rather run the risk of putting them up against captain america then they would in moving the film. it's not like the genre is short on marvel films anyway. and to add to that, marvel has something to lose too. this isn't man-thing.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This film can easily rule March 2016 and set all sorts of box office records.

 

[Jumpman]

It's story telling by way of visuals. If this was a pixar movie, that much would be obvious. I fear things aren't taken for what they are when it comes to this production. There is alot of preconception/expectations/disdain for overuse..etc.

The moment symbolized a man stepping forward and sacrificing himself for man, savior style. A visual nod to the originator doesn't hurt.

Been that way since release.

 

[Dr. Evil]

they don't need to do anything. the implication of moving batman/superman because of of captain america would seem like a defeat for a lot of people. I'd bet they'd rather run the risk of putting them up against captain america then they would in moving the film. it's not like the genre is short on marvel films anyway. and to add to that, marvel has something to lose too. this isn't man-thing.

A lot of studio insiders say that it's not good to have both films released on the same weekend from the same genre. Those same people believe that a move is likely.

let's just agree to disagree okay?

 

[Crimson King]

From IGN:

IGN: My very last question for you is, obviously, when Batman vs. Superman shifted dates, they went right on a date that you guys had already called. What did you think about that, and what is the idea going forward on how to deal with that?

Feige: I was very pleased, I was very pleased. The more the merrier.

IGN: Did you guys already announce that you were shifting the film that was announced that day to another date, or are you going to stay on that date and basically go head-to-head with the biggest gun that DC is pulling out?

Feige: You know, we're still on that date, and we'll be announcing soon what the movie will be on that date. That's what we're actively working on as we get ready to firm up and get into preproduction on what will become the two films for '16 and the two films for '17... I hope [that announcement] is in the coming months. If it coincides with Comic-Con, that would be nice, but if it happens before that or after that, we'll see. It's not about the best time to make the announcement for us, it's about when the team coalesces and when we find the group of collaborators that we want to spend the next two or three years with to bring one of the movies to life.