BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - Part 87

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[bluerayer]

I don't have a problem with him doing it for 30 years...but doing it for 30 years while having multiple Robins and run ins with his Rogue's Gallery. Fighting Joker doesn't lend it's self to keeping quiet and in the shadows

No, thats what i meant too.

 

[Travesty]

Fighting Joker doesn't lend it's self to keeping quiet and in the shadows

Fighting the vast majority of his rogues gallery doesn't lend itself to keeping quiet.

Batman has some of the most flamboyantly theatrical villains ever conceived. It's next to impossible for him to have fought them for 30 years, and kept himself completely in the shadows, without them making his presence known to the citizens of Gotham.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It is showtime for Batman. Out of the shadows!

 

[roach]

Interesting thought...that maybe he wasn't Batman for the full 30 years and was some masked vigilante unit that day a bat flew into his house.

 

[roach]

an idea I have for this film is that we see Batman go from vigilante to superhero...and the best way to showcase that was how they did it in Justice League: New Frontier.....Batman goes from this costume...

to this one

 

[bluerayer]

Interesting thought...that maybe he wasn't Batman for the full 30 years and was some masked vigilante unit that day a bat flew into his house.

That's an interesting idea. Here's another: what if when Snyder said that Superman was the first hero, he meant SuperHero. Or heres another one, maybe some people do know about Batman(like Gordon etc) but he is not percieved as a hero yet. Even though he may have done good deeds for the city. Maybe he's an outlaw? In that case Snyder would be right.

 

[Rorschach2012]

an idea I have for this film is that we see Batman go from vigilante to superhero...and the best way to showcase that was how they did it in Justice League: New Frontier.....Batman goes from this costume...


to this one

Whatta beautiful picture. Batman and Robin look so damn iconic alongside each other in those outfits. So ****ing classic.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

What if Batman has always been a mythical creature to most folks of Gotham as he works at night and disappears after crime fighting? No photo ops, maybe just a few loch ness type pictures from far away. Only Gordon would have involvement with him, as they almost function as a team. Batman does the things that Gordon can't.

 

[Lencho01]

Fighting the vast majority of his rogues gallery doesn't lend itself to keeping quiet.

Batman has some of the most flamboyantly theatrical villains ever conceived. It's next to impossible for him to have fought them for 30 years, and kept himself completely in the shadows, without them making his presence known to the citizens of Gotham.

Maybe a "real" Batman wouldn't deal with those villains. Just regular folks. 'Cause realism.

 

[shauner111]

Fighting the vast majority of his rogues gallery doesn't lend itself to keeping quiet.

Batman has some of the most flamboyantly theatrical villains ever conceived. It's next to impossible for him to have fought them for 30 years, and kept himself completely in the shadows, without them making his presence known to the citizens of Gotham.

That's because he wouldn't be fighting them for 30 years. Let's say the rumor is half true and he's 42 to 45 years old. Started when he was 25 or 26. So that's somewhere between 15 to 20 years as the Batman....and im willing to bet that he's been retired for the last decade while still going out to public functions as Bruce Wayne and doing detective work in the batcave. Retired because of Joker killing Jason Todd and Dick Grayson leaving Gotham behind to be Nightwing.

In Batmans years as a vigilante, he has encountered some theatrical rogues, just not too many. Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Penguin, Riddler. The classics. Maybe a few other nutcases who now "reside" in Arkham.

Riddler wants the glory, it could have been strictly personal between him and Batman back in the day. He's now in Arkham. Joker exists because of Batman, but only in the next solo film does he break out of Arkham to call out Batman. He hears him on the news (for the first time really with evidence). Catwoman and Penguin, yeah, i can absolutely see them keeping it to themselves. If Cobblepot is threatened in private, and is forced to strike a deal with Batman like in the comics, yeah he'll keep his mouth shut and his thugs won't even know Batman was ever there. Selina always keeps to herself.

Don't be close-minded. This can work out if it's written properly.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That's because he wouldn't be fighting them for 30 years. Let's say the rumor is half true and he's 42 to 45 years old. Started when he was 25 or 26. So that's somewhere between 15 to 20 years as the Batman....and im willing to bet that he's been retired for the last decade while still going out to public functions as Bruce Wayne and doing detective work in the batcave. Retired because of Joker killing Jason Todd and Dick Grayson leaving Gotham behind to be Nightwing.

In Batmans years as a vigilante, he has encountered some theatrical rogues, just not too many. Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Penguin, Riddler. The classics. Maybe a few other nutcases who now "reside" in Arkham.

Riddler wants the glory, it could have been strictly personal between him and Batman back in the day. He's now in Arkham. Joker exists because of Batman, but only in the next solo film does he break out of Arkham to call out Batman. He hears him on the news (for the first time really with evidence). Catwoman and Penguin, yeah, i can absolutely see them keeping it to themselves. If Cobblepot is threatened in private, and is forced to strike a deal with Batman like in the comics, yeah he'll keep his mouth shut and his thugs won't even know Batman was ever there. Selina always keeps to herself.

Don't be close-minded. This can work out if it's written properly.

The way you're describing it actually sounds ****ing awesome.

 

[Travesty]

So he fought everybody once, while they silently think about their escape, to get back at Batman 30 years later?

This all sounds overly convoluted and ridiculous, just to try and spin a story around a rumor. I doubt that's how it'll be.

 

[dhandler01]

It could be made to work but the story has to be perfect. I always hated after TDK that Bruce quit thought it would have worked better as an urban legend still fighting for justice but in the dark not out in the open. The Joker and Two Face showed him the ills of theatrically.

Now let's say the Robin part of the rumor is true...do the same thing. Maybe for a while he was known, Robin dies and Batman goes underground. He still fights but not like before. Then MOS happens and he realizes the world needs heroes and so begins our story and why he "fights" Clark and ultimately joins up with him.

That way it could work in theory...

 

[Lighthouse]

Brad Pitt is 50.

 

[Sharkboy]

Personally I'd just like if he has just gone and fully established himself by taking out all the rogues gallery but has somehow managed to keep out of public eye. Sortof like Banksy, that guy has been largely out of the public eye in terms of identity for over 20 years now, yet his popularity and myth are largely known, his work is everywhere and he's been operating at large for ages now, but frankly if Snyder and Goyer are expecting us to believe that he's been at a "year one" level for 30 years and it's only now in his 50's that he's going to be "Batman" then I think they've been hitting the pipe a little too much at the snyder ranch.

 

[shauner111]

So he fought everybody once, while they silently think about their escape, to get back at Batman 30 years later?

This all sounds overly convoluted and ridiculous, just to try and spin a story around a rumor. I doubt that's how it'll be.

How did you manage to come up with that after reading what i wrote?



If you took the Joker part and decided to pick on that part, then let me be more clear. He's fought Joker a couple of times, thrown in Arkham a little bit after Jason Todds death + Batmans retirement. While Bats is retired, Joker is "asleep" like in Dark Knight Returns. During the B v S / JLA fiasco, Joker wakes up and starts his "recovery" in time for the solo film.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

That's because he wouldn't be fighting them for 30 years. Let's say the rumor is half true and he's 42 to 45 years old. Started when he was 25 or 26. So that's somewhere between 15 to 20 years as the Batman....and im willing to bet that he's been retired for the last decade while still going out to public functions as Bruce Wayne and doing detective work in the batcave. Retired because of Joker killing Jason Todd and Dick Grayson leaving Gotham behind to be Nightwing.

In Batmans years as a vigilante, he has encountered some theatrical rogues, just not too many. Joker, Catwoman, Two-Face, Penguin, Riddler. The classics. Maybe a few other nutcases who now "reside" in Arkham.

Riddler wants the glory, it could have been strictly personal between him and Batman back in the day. He's now in Arkham. Joker exists because of Batman, but only in the next solo film does he break out of Arkham to call out Batman. He hears him on the news (for the first time really with evidence). Catwoman and Penguin, yeah, i can absolutely see them keeping it to themselves. If Cobblepot is threatened in private, and is forced to strike a deal with Batman like in the comics, yeah he'll keep his mouth shut and his thugs won't even know Batman was ever there. Selina always keeps to herself.

Don't be close-minded. This can work out if it's written properly.

I don't think he's really being closed-minded. He's just going strictly by what Faraci advanced.

Altering the details of said rumor to one's preferences, like you've done here, will, of course, make it sound better.

 

[shauner111]

I don't think he's really being closed-minded. He's just going strictly by what Faraci advanced.

Altering the details of said rumor to one's preferences, like you've done here, will, of course, make it sound better.

Even with what ive said, which is the best case scenario for how they choose to take this concept and flesh it out....Trav will most likely reject those ideas as well. Yes, close-minded. He's not talking about liking or disliking, he's saying it doesn't make any sense. Im saying it does, whether we like it or not.

 

[brojinder]

Sorry, I don't want ~30 year old Superman, ~30 year old Wonder woman, and then a 50 year old Batman. Way too old.
Why? I dunno. I'd even be fine if he were 45. But in his 50s? No thanks.

 

[Broseph44]

Sorry, I don't want ~30 year old Superman, ~30 year old Wonder woman, and then a 50 year old Batman. Way too old.
Why? I dunno. I'd even be fine if he were 45. But in his 50s? No thanks.

Oh ok so I'm sure Snyder will change it (if the rumor is even true) just to please you so that you can personally be happy. I love too how you don't even give a reason for you not liking it. You just say "why? I dunno". And somehow if he were 45 that's ok but 50 is that much different? Hahaha. Your post is hysterical.

 

[brojinder]

Oh ok so I'm sure Snyder will change it (if the rumor is even true) just to please you so that you can personally be happy. I love too how you don't even give a reason for you not liking it. You just say "why? I dunno". And somehow if he were 45 that's ok but 50 is that much different? Hahaha. Your post is hysterical.

Oh man, I sure hope changes it for me. Thanks for the support.

I like the Trinity to be around the same age, and its weird when one is more experienced than another, so Batman being around for 30 years, or Wonder Woman being around a while, when Superman is just getting started is weird.

 

[shauner111]

45 or 50 is barely a difference. A 10 year difference, sure. But 45 to 50? Come on that's nitpicking for no reason, other than some weird loyalty to your favorite source material.

Early to mid 40s is a lot better than the Returns 55 year old, i admit.

Also, Superman will be 35 in this movie.

 

[roach]

45 or 50 is barely a difference. A 10 year difference, sure. But 45 to 50? Come on that's nitpicking for no reason, other than some weird loyalty to your favorite source material.

Early to mid 40s is a lot better than the Returns 55 year old, i admit.

Also, Superman will be 35 in this movie.

if the two year rumor is to be believed