BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 98

[Wise]

It seemed as sarcastic humor to me

Calling She Hulk a ****e isn't sarcastic OR funny.

 

[zryson]

I did. I thought I was missing something. It didn't make any sense.

The video link doesnt make any sense. Its got something to do with football!

 

[Rorschach2012]

Anyone else think Kutcher could make a great GL or Flash? Anyway, I saw Gurl Bye,,,Our boy did good. I nominate Pike for Vicki Vale.

Ashton Kutcher is actually a good actor when he's playing a serious, non dumbass role. He's great in The Butterfly Effect. I'd be down for Kutcher as Green Lantern, but most wouldn't be.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The video link doesnt make any sense. Its got something to do with football!

Oh lawd! This cause its a fake link. The man was lying.

Ashton Kutcher is actually a good actor when he's playing a serious, non dumbass role. He's great in The Butterfly Effect. I'd be down for Kutcher as Green Lantern, but most wouldn't be.

I love The Butterfly Effect. I think he was good in that Portman movie, he has great comedic timing which would fit with Flash, but I can see him as Hal.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Ben Affleck talks Daredevil and BvS

NPR: On whether he has any trepidation about starring in the upcoming Batman, given his regrets about the 2003 film Daredevil

BEN AFFLECK: Indeed I have regrets about Daredevil. I have regrets about all the movies that I don't think were executed properly. ... Look, if I thought we were remaking Daredevil, I'd be out there picketing myself ... and that goes for other movies as well that I haven't been happy with. You know, I'm hard on myself and I have exacting standards and I want to do excellent work and I don't always succeed, but I think you have to start out with that drive.

[Batman] was written by Chris Terrio, who wrote Argo, who's not a comic guy. And it's directed by Zach Snyder, who's a incredibly magical sort of visual stylist who's steeped in the comic world. And you have this sandwich of talents. I felt very confident about it. ... I thought it would be nice to make one of these movies really, really good

http://cdn.****************.com/wp-content/uploads/13049.jpg

 

[zryson]

To be fair to Goyer, the WB press release made it clear Terrio was writing the script from an earlier version by Goyer. Both were credited on the press release.

 

[fake]

Did you click on the link? This is a troll link. Some football video.

The link was a troll link, but the CW President did in fact say that Titans could cross over with Arrow/Flash.

http://****************.com/tv/teen-titans-tv-series-arrow-flash-crossover/

 

[fake]

To be fair to Goyer, the WB press release made it clear Terrio was writing the script from an earlier version by Goyer. Both were credited on the press release.

The WB press release made it clear that Goyer provided the first draft of the story. Terrio wrote his separately. The actual press release said:

“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice”is written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S. Goyer. Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder are producing, with Benjamin Melniker, Michael E. Uslan, Wesley Coller, David S. Goyer and Geoff Johns serving as executive producers.

Looking at WGA arbitration guidelines, we get this

A "Screenplay by" credit is appropriate when there is source material of a story nature (with or without a "Screen Story" credit) or when the writer(s) entitled to "Story by" credit is different than the writer(s) entitled to "Screenplay by" credit.


The term "Written by" is used when the writer(s) is entitled to both the "Story by" credit and the "Screenplay by" credit.


RELATED TERMS:

“And” indicates multiple writers or writing teams who contributed but did not collaborate directly—they may never have even met. Examples are “Andrew Douglas and Justin Goldstein” or “Mike Fox and Bethany Kant and Rachel Loonin.”

An ampersand (&) indicates multiple people or teams who wrote together. Examples are “Darren Sapper & Matt Small” or “Kevin Alansky & Rachel Fremont and Seth Kessler & Dara Neumann.” (Here, Alansky and Fremont wrote together, Kessler and Neumann wrote together, but the two pairs did not make it a foursome.) You might also see a team and an individual such as “Mike Chasen & Randi Skylar and Chris Campagnuolo.”

What this means, combining the two links, is that Goyer provided a story which has elements which will appear in BvS, but Terrio provided a different story building on that which will be what the final script and scenes will be based upon.

Granted, the final WGA arbitration may change the credits, but I doubt it since the press release has to be vetted by the WGA anyway.

 

[zryson]

When it comes to the story, I think Goyer will receive some credit. As for the various scripts, I remember it was speculated that the story by Goyer wasnt world-building enough, and was mostly a Superman-centered story. But that Warner Bros wanted changes done, and Affleck brought in Terrio to go over it, and its made it much more world-building by bringing in other characters/heroes.

 

[Black Narcissus]

The link was a troll link, but the CW President did in fact say that Titans could cross over with Arrow/Flash.

http://****************.com/tv/teen-titans-tv-series-arrow-flash-crossover/

Yeah, I was referring to the shows being connected to the cinematic universe. My mistake.

 

[craigdbfan]

Ben confirmed my deep suspicions that his entrance jettisoned Goyer's script right out the window (at least the character beats and major pacing and story elements). He almost seems dismissive of Goyer by saying the script wasn't written by some "comic guy".

The minute Terrio was brought in, it was to set a precedent of quality control and a way for Ben to somewhat micromanage the story elements that would affect his character thus knowing he'll have good character material to work with, but also seemingly sparring Superman and Cavill by still making him very much the central piece to tie everything in.

As much as I like Goyer, I'm glad that Affleck was brought into the picture and word is that his selection was entirely that of the WB heads. While it may still be premature to call it a victory I sense a major win for Warner Brothers here.

 

[zryson]

While looking through some pictures of costumes, I found this shot of Robin from the old Batman movie franchise. Its an odd looking costume in many ways with its over-detailing.

 

[spiderral]

Why is the belt off-centre?

 

[BatLobster]

Ben confirmed my deep suspicions that his entrance jettisoned Goyer's script right out the window (at least the character beats and major pacing and story elements). He almost seems dismissive of Goyer by saying the script wasn't written by some "comic guy".

The minute Terrio was brought in, it was to set a precedent of quality control and a way for Ben to somewhat micromanage the story elements that would affect his character thus knowing he'll have good character material to work with, but also seemingly sparring Superman and Cavill by still making him very much the central piece to tie everything in.

As much as I like Goyer, I'm glad that Affleck was brought into the picture and word is that his selection was entirely that of the WB heads. While it may still be premature to call it a victory I sense a major win for Warner Brothers here.

Yeah, this is now the third or fourth time Ben has refused to mention Goyer at all when talking about the script. The fact that he mentions Terrio not being a "comic guy" is very telling, as well as the balance between him and Snyder. With Goyer and Snyder together that balance isn't there and they have the potential to bring out the worst in each other. It's pretty blatant at this point, the rewrite had to be pretty major.

The mix of having a writer who was a huge comic book guy and a writer/director who was more objective about the material (along with a writer who straddled both worlds) proved to be a very successful formula for TDKT. Will be interesting to see how reversing that dynamic works for this movie.

 

[roach]

The WB press release made it clear that Goyer provided the first draft of the story. Terrio wrote his separately. The actual press release said:



Looking at WGA arbitration guidelines, we get this



What this means, combining the two links, is that Goyer provided a story which has elements which will appear in BvS, but Terrio provided a different story building on that which will be what the final script and scenes will be based upon.

Granted, the final WGA arbitration may change the credits, but I doubt it since the press release has to be vetted by the WGA anyway.

Press releases aren't vetted by the WGA.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I remember when the film was announced and it was said Snyder and Goyer were working on the story and Goyer on the screenplay.

That scared the **** out of me. I thought that has cool as it was to have Batman and Superman together finally, having them on the story and Goyer on the screenplay was bad. Snyder isn't the best story teller in terms of directing and he was involved in writing Sucker Punch. Goyer well we all know how bad he is.

That's why when Ben was announced I breathed a sigh of relief because Ben has built up a respectable career and won't destroy it.

 

[kguillou]

I'll be honest, I got a little nervous about the whole "Terrio is not a comic book guy" thing. Say what you will about Goyer but he is a comic book geek and he knows these characters intimately. But then I remembered Chris Nolan wasn't a comic book fan either and look at what he did. As long as Terrio has a basic understanding of who Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are I'm sure his story will turn out very good.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

How do we define "a comic book guy"? Growing up, I never got comics like monthly. If my mom took me to a store that had comics I may ask her if we could get one but I never got comics like for years.

In fact I think I did have one comic subscription growing up. It was for Batman The Animated Series comics because I got a Batman figure that you could only get via a comic subscription. And I had a lot of those but that's it.

If I ever went to a store, I would buy Batman/Superman team up comic or Ultimate Spider-Man.

What I'm saying is most of what I know about the characters came mostly through the cartoons and films on them. I didn't start getting into comics till the end of 2011.

As long as Terrio understands the characters, I'm fine with it. I don't see how anyone nowadays wouldn't be able to grasp Batman especially with BTAS and the Arkham games especially if you didn't read comics. Also Superman wouldn't be hard to grasp.

 

[zryson]

How do we define "a comic book guy"? Growing up, I never got comics like monthly. If my mom took me to a store that had comics I may ask her if we could get one but I never got comics like for years.

Comics were pivotal to my childhood. Its hard to imagine a childhood without them, in fact.

 

[matt47]

I'll be honest, I got a little nervous about the whole "Terrio is not a comic book guy" thing. Say what you will about Goyer but he is a comic book geek and he knows these characters intimately. But then I remembered Chris Nolan wasn't a comic book fan either and look at what he did. As long as Terrio has a basic understanding of who Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are I'm sure his story will turn out very good.

I'm fine with those comments because either Goyer or Snyder could lean Terrio in the right direction in terms of how the character would be portrayed.

 

[zryson]

I'll be honest, I got a little nervous about the whole "Terrio is not a comic book guy" thing. Say what you will about Goyer but he is a comic book geek and he knows these characters intimately. But then I remembered Chris Nolan wasn't a comic book fan either and look at what he did. As long as Terrio has a basic understanding of who Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are I'm sure his story will turn out very good.

That's key to the story I think, understanding the characters and what has made them endure for decades.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Comics were pivotal to my childhood. Its hard to imagine a childhood without them, in fact.

I would say superheroes were more pivotal to me then comics. I'm not saying that in a negative way about comics. I never liked to read as a kid. I don't get why not because I love reading but as a kid I much rather be playing with my toys or playing sports outside then read. I've only read one of the Harry Potter books.

But in terms of superheroes, they were a major part. I have photos of me dressing up as Batman for Halloween and my little brother was Robin. My 2nd or 3rd Birthday was a Batman Forever theme birthday (I don't remember but I got photos) and my uncle who's my Godfather gave me my first Batman and Robin action figures for the Forever film. I remember my mom getting me VHSs of Batman The Animated Series. Batman was as important to my childhood as much as basketball and Star Wars was.

Then Superman The Animated Series came and I didn't get into that as much as Batman. I don't think I have any toys from it but I still loved the show. Then JLTAS came out and I loved that.

I never got into Marvel until that Hulk 03 film came out because I saw his Hulk character and I just loved him. My mom showed me the live action Lou show she used to watch and got Huk cartoons. IMO the film was disappointing. I mean I'm a 10 year old kid. It just isn't the superhero film for a 10 year old you know. The fight scenes weren't clear, the pace was slow. Now I think it's good but back then I was disappointed.

I could go on but my point is as long as you know these characters and are familiar with them in some form or know how to bring them to life then your good. Burton never read a Batman comic but knew how to make Batman come to life.

Reading comics is important especially because there isn't much out there for Wonder Woman like there is for Bats, Supers, and Lex to be influenced by but if you are familiar with them and know how to bring them to life respectfully then your good.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I'll never quite get the Goyer hate but, whatever.

 

[zryson]

I would say superheroes were more pivotal to me then comics. I'm not saying that in a negative way about comics. I never liked to read as a kid. I don't get why not because I love reading but as a kid I much rather be playing with my toys or playing sports outside then read. I've only read one of the Harry Potter books.

But in terms of superheroes, they were a major part. I have photos of me dressing up as Batman for Halloween and my little brother was Robin. My 2nd or 3rd Birthday was a Batman Forever theme birthday (I don't remember but I got photos) and my uncle who's my Godfather gave me my first Batman and Robin action figures for the Forever film. I remember my mom getting me VHSs of Batman The Animated Series. Batman was as important to my childhood as much as basketball and Star Wars was.

Then Superman The Animated Series came and I didn't get into that as much as Batman. I don't think I have any toys from it but I still loved the show. Then JLTAS came out and I loved that.

I never got into Marvel until that Hulk 03 film came out because I saw his Hulk character and I just loved him. My mom showed me the live action Lou show she used to watch and got Huk cartoons. IMO the film was disappointing. I mean I'm a 10 year old kid. It just isn't the superhero film for a 10 year old you know. The fight scenes weren't clear, the pace was slow. Now I think it's good but back then I was disappointed.

I could go on but my point is as long as you know these characters and are familiar with them in some form or know how to bring them to life then your good. Burton never read a Batman comic but knew how to make Batman come to life.

Reading comics is important especially because there isn't much out there for Wonder Woman like there is for Bats, Supers, and Lex to be influenced by but if you are familiar with them and know how to bring them to life respectfully then your good.

I never liked Marvel superheroes growing up but I loved the DC superheroes. I loved to read as a child too, so I guess comic books were just an extension of that and in those days the newsstands were crammed full of comic books. I would ride home after school and sometimes just visit the newsstand and hang out there for awhile checking out the latest titles with their glossy covers.

These days most of the newsstands that carried comic books are long gone, but a few still exist but the range is very different compared to those days, there usually is just the briefest of DC titles on the racks, sometimes a Marvel or Archie comic book among the titles.

As for superhero toys, I loved them immensely (I still do, actually.) One of the special treats was getting to see the Man of Steel toys before they hit retail when I was invited behind the scenes to check them out. I'm really hoping that happens again when Batman v Superman is released 2016 and that I can see the toys in person before they are released.

 

[Charlatan]

Comics were pivotal to my childhood. Its hard to imagine a childhood without them, in fact.

yeah I started reading them when I was maybe 6 or 7. (this is in the mid 60's btw) my friends and I would hang out at the drug store/malt shop and buy/read comics then trade them and read what your friends bought while sitting at a booth and drinking sodas. Yeah I know it sounds like a scene from some old movie but that's how things were back then.
Of course I wasn't smart enough to hang onto them. Oh if I had them all back today I'd have quite the collection.
We'd hurry home from school to watch Superman reruns (George Reeves) before dinner and then Batman would come on Wed and Thursday evenings at 7:30
I stopped collecting in the 90's but I still have quite a large collection of books. And every once in a while I'll go get a few out of the boxes and read them again. I guess I'll hand them to my grandson one day. My son isn't that interested in them.