All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - Part 1

[Vonter-Voman]

Another flaw that has been established over the years is that she is not so secure of herself. She often times questions her role, and what's expected of her, and if she should do what's expected or go her own way. That can be used for the character arc.

She could be assertive, but not actually confident at first, and that would be explored so in the end she is really confident about herself.

Which is why I don't like the idea of her being centuries old in the big screen. It would be a little harder to accept she would have those flaws if she's mature enough, specially if she has been on the outside world before.

 

[haephestus]

We don't want a flawless Diana as much as we don't want a generic action girl Diana.

*I* kind of do want a flawless Diana.

I don't understand the need for big-screen heroes to ALWAYS be flawed, relatable, "human", etc. Sometimes, I just want to see someone who is larger than life, who is better than everyone around them, someone who is truly heroic and inspirational. Sure, it's escapism at its best, but it's a worthwhile form of escapism to have a flawless "idol".

Also, if Wonder Woman is immortal, or at the very least has been alive for thousands of years and has been "active" in man's world over hundreds of years (either continuously or periodically), then I'm not sure that some of her "traditional" flaws would be appropriate.

This version of Wonder Woman doesn't appear to be at all naïve about man's world (based on the few glimpses on the trailers and set reports) since she has openly adopted current fashions, technology, transport, etc. I guess she could still be "naïve" about certain customs/cultures or even inter-personal relationships, but that would seem unlikely and somewhat ignorant of her.

And if Wonder Woman has hundreds of years of battle/war experience as the leader of a powerful army, I'm not sure she would lack confidence. Not only is Diana the champion of the Amazons, but she's also their princess.

As for being trusting, I thought that this quality actually worked in Wonder Woman's favour in the New 52 reboot. Yes, Wonder Woman trusted everyone, sometimes to her detriment, but that same trust led to many former enemies (e.g. Hera) eventually becoming her allies because she placed and maintained faith in them to do the right thing (and because she "loved" everyone). Also, if Wonder Woman's trust was easily misplaced, then I would have expected her to learn her lesson over her many years of experience in man's world (and even amongst the Amazons).

Again, based on the (very) little information available, the more likely flaws for this version of Wonder Woman would be arrogance and maybe a dismissive attitude towards others/lessers. Possibly also selfishness, although if Wonder Woman has been "secretly" helping man's world periodically over hundreds of years, that doesn't seem to be very selfish.

I would be happy to see Wonder Woman's character called into question by Batman, Superman and others as they question the motivation behind this "goddess" assisting lowly mortals. And I'd also be happy to see conflict between Wonder Woman and Queen Hippolyta about Diana's role as champion and princess of the Amazons, especially if that conflicts with her super-heroism. But, I'm not sure that means that Wonder Woman has to be "flawed" in order to encounter personal conflict.

 

[Mad Love]

Gawd, I love Azzarello's run.

If Sups is flawd in this universe, she will be as well.

Same here. I like the flaws Azzarello put in place. They aren't weak flaws. She gets heated bc she's passionate.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Again, based on the (very) little information available, the more likely flaws for this version of Wonder Woman would be arrogance and maybe a dismissive attitude towards others/lessers.

Which is the worst flaw she could have, totally out of character, and she has presented that in some of the recent SM/WW stories, being probably one of the worst depictions of her. So I respectfully hope you're wrong

She can only be arrogant and dismissive against enemies as a battle strategy. But then, only against certain enemies too (the disposable ones )

 

[haephestus]

So I respectfully hope you're wrong

Sorry. I probably wasn't clear. I don't want Wonder Woman to display arrogance.

But, if I had to identify an obvious character flaw for a high-born (i.e. daughter of the Queen of the Amazons and King of the Greek gods), immortal (or close to immortal), demi-goddess who was born, raised and probably spent the majority of her very long existence living (a potentially idyllic existence) on "paradise" island, then arrogance would probably be it.

Again, it's not what I want. And while Diana appears to be accustomed to a luxurious lifestyle from the few glimpses in the trailer, there is no indication that she will actually display any arrogance. So, it's really all pointless conjecture and easily ignorable waffle at this stage!

 

[Lencho01]

Warner Bros. Got Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn Onto The Big Screen As Quickly As Possible

 

[Loki882]

I don't want a "flawless" Diana either. The reason is simple, I tend to find such characters boring. Just because a character has "flaws" doesn't make the a bad person, nor does it mean that they're emotionally/psychological basket cases like Batman or Ironman. There's lots of room in-between that and "flawless" that you can work in.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I REALLY want a Diana that indeed challenges the the status quo and brings new perspectives to people... But I also want a Diana that is herself challenged, that sees that the philosophy of the Amazons has blindspots, that the culture she was raised in has it's own deep seated flaws. I think that approach will satisfy the needs for a character like Wonder Woman to have "flaws" as well as grow and have an arc.

 

[Willi Berg]

Here is a poster for proposed documentary about George Miller's "Justice League: Mortal" where Megan Gale would've been WW:

(By BOSS LOGIC)

 

[jokesonm3]

The back of that armour sort of resembles the back of Gal's armour.

 

[KillerWolf]

I thought so as well when I saw it. And it also sits ridiculously low. Even more so than Gadot's one, I think.

By the way, that's some badly CGI'd lasso there.

 

[Silliminite]

I want some concrete info pertaining to this film. The Pine effect has worn off now.

 

[KillerWolf]

I want some concrete info pertaining to this film. The Pine effect has worn off now.

I hear ya, mate. I know your pain.

 

[Silliminite]

I hear ya, mate. I know your pain.

KW, how far off do you reckon the next casting announcement is?

 

[jokesonm3]

Filming's in a week or two and i remember that Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jessie Eisenberg and Jeremy Irons were all cast in their respective roles before filming even began during pre production, so i expect to hear some casting announcements very soon.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Filming's in a week or two and i remember that Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jessie Eisenberg and Jeremy Irons were all cast in their respective roles before filming even began during pre production, so i expect to hear some casting announcements very soon.

I think the official report was that the filming would begin on Fall, but no confirmation for which month. Could be even December as another unofficial report suggested.

 

[kvz5]

Filming's in a week or two and i remember that Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Jessie Eisenberg and Jeremy Irons were all cast in their respective roles before filming even began during pre production, so i expect to hear some casting announcements very soon.

I highly doubt this. It's probably not shooting until around Nov/Dec or so.

 

[Sawyer]

Nevertheless, I do hope we get some casting bombs soon. And confirmation on Pine.

 

[jokesonm3]

Here's hoping that we get some sort of casting announcement before the year end.

 

[Sawyer]

Here's hoping that we get some sort of casting announcement before the year end.

Year end?

Pfft. WB better give us some info by month's end. Or else.

#DCHasNoPlan

 

[jokesonm3]

Agreed, this spells disaster for DC and WB, they should take notes from the glorious Marvel.

#InFeigeWeTrust

 

[Willi Berg]

Rumor mill for supporting cast starting up. Based on what who knows:

http://dccomicsmovie.com/taron-egerton-cast-as-lennox-in-wonder-woman/

TARON EGERTON CAST AS LENNOX IN WONDER WOMAN?

According to the rumor mill on the Twittersphere, Taron Egerton (Kingsman: The Secret Service) has been cast in Wonder Woman, as Diana’s half-brother Lennox.

Lennox discovered he was the son of Zeus, after surviving the London Blitz in World War II, which falls into the same time period that the Wonder Woman film is rumored to be taking place in.

It also follows a speculation we had of the Blitz having a part in the film, when reporting on a possible casting call for extras in London and Liverpool. Which are the two locations where the Blitz took place during World War II in the United Kingdom.

Now we’ve sat on this rumor for a few days trying to figure out if there’s any evidence that backs this rumor up. We’ll be honest, nothing outside from the fact Wonder Woman’s director Patty Jenkins has started following Egerton on Twitter seems to confirm or debunk this rumor, and if our research is correct, Jenkins started following Egerton around August 11-14, which could be seen as something or nothing at all.

In our mind if he was cast in Wonder Woman, we would believe Jenkins would be mindful to not start following him before he was officially announced, because it would give away his casting before it being announced by Warner Bros, as us fans have a real habit of exposing these type of things, over-analyzing what it all means and having it all lead to rumors. Case in point, this article.

Nevertheless Egerton is a promising actor and it’ll be a real treat if he was in Wonder Woman.

 

[jokesonm3]

- Son of Zues

- Found his powers in WWII

- lived during london blitz

These are all kinda backing the WWII period piece theory more and more.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

That originated from an "insider" over at the Batman-News comment section. They're always dropping "info" on there lol

Legit casting news is coming. Ya'll need to be patient lol

 

[theOVOXO]

If Taron is cast in WW as Lennox, then it seems their really taking inspiration from Brian Azzarello's run on WW. Lennox was a very interesting character during that run and it'll be nice to see him to the big screen.

Since September is just around the corner, I can expect more casting new/rumors starting to pop up.