Amy Adams is Lois Lane: - Part 6

[KRIM]

Not true, Mark Strong when he was cast as Sinestro had a say in the look of the character, especially when first character designs were way off he stated his opinion and wanted the classic Sinestro look. And look what happened, Sinestro was one of the few bright points of the film and Strong was looked and came off brilliantly.

What part of "most actors don't get a say" did you disprove with this example?

You'd think an oscar winning actress would get a say in the character's looks, etc. Im sure if she had said something they would've listened.

Regardless, nothing to do with her. It's not her job to dictate how the character looks.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Mmmmm... Amy is on Leno now. That woman is so f***ing hot it's insane. The fact that we have a Lois Lane who looks THAT good who also happens to be a triple-Oscar nominee is so awesome.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Brown hair (even light brown hair like Moore had) is generally considered to be somewhat dark I think. As such, people didn't make a big fuss when Moore was cast as 007 back in the day.

The reception towards Daniel Craig, on the other hand, was notably different. 007 fans were so distraught by his apparent blondness that they felt compelled to erect hate sites in his honor. He actually turned out to be a really good Bond, though, much to their surprise.

Sometimes his hair looked like that.

Sometimes it looked like this:

 

[KingKane88]

Mmmmm... Amy is on Leno now. That woman is so f***ing hot it's insane. The fact that we have a Lois Lane who looks THAT good who also happens to be a triple-Oscar nominee is so awesome.

A little disappointing she wasn't asked about MOS, she has a great sense of humor though.

 

[DKDetective]

I think I pretty much agree with hopefulsuicide on everything she said. It's not about being slavish to a certain look. It's about what the visual appearance of the character says about them. Stereotypically, people with strawberry blonde hair are seen as soft, kind, naive, etc. Think of Amy's character from Enchanted. Dark hair is more suiting for Lois as it tends to convey strength, toughness, etc. Why do you think so many femme fatale characters have black hair?

Now, for me at least, colour is only part of the issue. I'd be fine with the colour if the style of her hair said Lois to me. I just don't see that with Amy's long, straight hair that we have seen on set. Personally, I would prefer something shorter as most of my favourite depictions of Lois in the comics and elsewhere have her with shorter hair. I don't know about other people but subconsciously I associate women with shorter hair (barely shoulder length and above) with tough, take charge female professionals. Maybe because of the practicality of it. That's the thing with Craig's Bond for me. As a fan of the novels where he is consistently portrayed with black hair, I don't mind the blonde because the overall style of his hair is great and suits the character. It is short and gelled in accordance with current fashion among professional men, but the spiky appearance also hints at the character's military history and toughness.

For instance, I found this picture of Amy with light hair. She has light hair but she screams Lois to me because of the shorter style:

 

[RussiaNet]

November 14

 

[TwilightPro101]

Loving the new set of photos. She's such a hottie.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think it's going to be impossible to tell how her hair colour will come out on film... it looks darker in the above picture, so it's all going to depend on the lighting anyway.

P.S. she looks SMOKIN HOT!

 

[ElDuderino]

Spoiler

November 14

Wow. These may be the best "live" photos I've seen of her.

 

[BH/HHH]

She is stunning

 

[DIRECTOR]

A little disappointing she wasn't asked about MOS, she has a great sense of humor though.

that is because Jay Leno is a dumb donkey

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Now, for me at least, colour is only part of the issue. I'd be fine with the colour if the style of her hair said Lois to me. I just don't see that with Amy's long, straight hair that we have seen on set. Personally, I would prefer something shorter as most of my favourite depictions of Lois in the comics and elsewhere have her with shorter hair. I don't know about other people but subconsciously I associate women with shorter hair (barely shoulder length and above) with tough, take charge female professionals. Maybe because of the practicality of it.

I know what you mean about preferring Lois with a shorter hair style.

Teri Hatcher had the shoulder length hairstyle and had a great look that just screamed Lois Lane.

When she auditioned for the role, the showrunner told her Lois wouldn't have her hair as long as Teri had hers and she came in the next day with her hair cut and landed the gig.

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For my money, Hatcher is still numero uno Lois. She just had it!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Sometimes his hair looked like that.

Sometimes it looked like this:

Yeah, I agree that his hair was pretty light (especially in those outdoor shots), but it was still brownish; so people didn't mind as much perhaps.

 

[Panthro]

Brown hair (even light brown hair like Moore had) is generally considered to be somewhat dark I think. As such, people didn't make a big fuss when Moore was cast as 007 back in the day.

The reception towards Daniel Craig, on the other hand, was notably different. 007 fans were so distraught by his apparent blondness that they felt compelled to erect hate sites in his honor. He actually turned out to be a really good Bond, though, much to their surprise.

Most Bond fans are too busy criticizing the campy nature of Moore's Bond films to be bothered by his hair.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Stereotypically, people with strawberry blonde hair are seen as soft, kind, naive, etc. Think of Amy's character from Enchanted. Dark hair is more suiting for Lois as it tends to convey strength, toughness, etc. Why do you think so many femme fatale characters have black hair?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Even if such a silly stereotype exists in this day and age, strawberry blondes or redheads clearly aren't all soft or naive. (Think of Amy's character from The Fighter.) That's almost as bad as saying certain races are less intelligent than others simply because of their physical appearance. It's utter nonsense. It's about time people learn to elevate themselves above stereotypes and look beyond the surface.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

November 14

Damn. She looks amazing.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I think it's going to be impossible to tell how her hair colour will come out on film... it looks darker in the above picture, so it's all going to depend on the lighting anyway.

P.S. she looks SMOKIN HOT!

It does look darker in those shots. I'd be fine with that look on film.

 

[DKDetective]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. Even if such a silly stereotype exists in this day and age, strawberry blondes or redheads clearly aren't all soft or naive. (Think of Amy's character from The Fighter.) That's almost as bad as saying certain races are less intelligent than others simply because of their physical appearance. It's utter nonsense. It's about time people learn to elevate themselves above stereotypes and look beyond the surface.

I didn't say it was true in real life or all or nothing, just that in terms of fiction (whether literature, film, or comics) appearance and physical characteristics are often used to reinforce character traits. Given that comics books are modern mythology, it's understandable that they use some archetypes. Superman wouldn't commonly be depicted as looking like a Herculean bodybuilder from the neck down if not. How come the arrogant Malfoys are depicted as severe bleach blondes and the Weasleys as impoverished, honest hardworking redheads? Of course, Amy comes off as tough in The Fighter, if anything her character is a STEREOTYPICAL tough and fiery redhead.

Don't forget that I went on to say that style choices also play a role. As many have said, as is, her current hairstyle she has a Lana Lang look to her - the wholesome girl next door look. She will hopefully change that with her performance, but to not recognize that appearances can be used to REINFORCE perceptions of character traits. I never said stereotypes are a good thing, just that physical appearances can reinforce characterizations.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Appearances can be used to REINFORCE perceptions of character traits. I never said stereotypes are a good thing, just that physical appearances can reinforce characterizations.

I agree with you completely and used to argue something similar.

Unfortunately it's responses like the one from ArmsHeldOut that stopped me bothering.

Kind of like how anyone who objected to Perry's race change was suddenly a racist.

Now, if anyone suggests that Lois being ginger changes the way the audience views her in a steroetypical way - they are being almost as bad as a racist

There IS a stereotype.

No it's no absolute. It's not like a blonde character can't be serious and intelligent and a brunette can't be fun and stupid.

But that doesn't mean a characters hair colour CAN'T contribute to their personality in a subconscious way.

And for me, Lois' always has. Even to the point where, in Smallville, the darker her hair got, the more she seemed to act like Lois Lane the respected reporter and less like the army brat kid living in Smallville.

In fact AMY HERSELF believes there is some pre judgements made on hair colour. Which is why she dyed her hair ginger when she's a natural blonde. She said in an interview that she felt she was taken more seriously.

I personally agree. I used to be blonde, with short hair. Now I'm brunette with long hair. And there is a difference in the way people see you.

Now the weird thing is that when you look at Lois' personality - it fits a stereotypical red head.

But I kind of feel that takes something away from the character. Like she's fiery BECAUSE she's a red head, not because she's Lois Lane.

 

[Astrodust]

It's funny that you guys mentioned stereotypes for red heads cause we have a couple of them at work and they follow those stereotypes. I never really thought anything of it but other co-workers would always joke about it. The two of them have gotten a lot calmer though in the last year probably because of all the jokes. It's easy to get them fired up though.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I agree with you completely and used to argue something similar.

Unfortunately it's responses like the one from ArmsHeldOut that stopped me bothering.

Kind of like how anyone who objected to Perry's race change was suddenly a racist.

Now, if anyone suggests that Lois being ginger changes the way the audience views her in a steroetypical way - they are being almost as bad as a racist

There IS a stereotype.

No it's no absolute. It's not like a blonde character can't be serious and intelligent and a brunette can't be fun and stupid.

But that doesn't mean a characters hair colour CAN'T contribute to their personality in a subconscious way.

And for me, Lois' always has. Even to the point where, in Smallville, the darker her hair got, the more she seemed to act like Lois Lane the respected reporter and less like the army brat kid living in Smallville.

In fact AMY HERSELF believes there is some pre judgements made on hair colour. Which is why she dyed her hair ginger when she's a natural blonde. She said in an interview that she felt she was taken more seriously.

I personally agree. I used to be blonde, with short hair. Now I'm brunette with long hair. And there is a difference in the way people see you.

Now the weird thing is that when you look at Lois' personality - it fits a stereotypical red head.

But I kind of feel that takes something away from the character. Like she's fiery BECAUSE she's a red head, not because she's Lois Lane.

This is a discussion forum; and when DKDetective further elaborated on what he was initially trying to convey with his prior statement, I better understood the point he was trying to make. Sometimes, though, when people utter quick statements, it's difficult to make sense of their logic -- especially online. Based on what I read, I assumed DK was suggesting that all strawberry blonds have a soft, "naive" look about them, which I obviously took issue with. Having read his latest response, however, I see where he was trying to go with that.

As for your comment on Perry, I'm not following you at all. For the record, I too would have undoubtedly preferred a PW who looks a lot more like his comic book counterpart. That said, I'm not losing any sleep over it. LF is a great actor; and I never really cared a whole lot for Perry as a character in the first place.

I stand by what I said though in that people shouldn't be quick to judge others based on trivial factors, such as their phenotypic traits (e.g., red hair, freckles, etc.) -- specifically when there's so much more to go on. To me, it's just a shame to make a fuss over crap like that when you haven't even allowed yourself to evaluate the rest of what makes someone who he/she is as a person. I never got that mentality. Never will. It bugs me. That's just my opinion. And yes, stereotypes exist. That doesn't mean we have to do as everyone else does. Well, maybe you do.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

This is a discussion forum; and when DKDetective further elaborated on what he was initially trying to convey with his prior statement, I better understood the point he was trying to make. Sometimes, though, when people utter quick statements, it's difficult to make sense of their logic -- especially online. Based on what I read, I assumed DK was suggesting that all strawberry blonds have a soft, "naive" look about them, which I obviously took issue with. Having read his latest response, however, I see where he was trying to go with that.

As for your comment on Perry, I'm not following you at all. For the record, I too would have undoubtedly preferred a PW who looks a lot more like his comic book counterpart. That said, I'm not losing any sleep over it. LF is a great actor; and I never really cared a whole lot for Perry as a character in the first place.

I stand by what I said though in that people shouldn't be quick to judge others based on trivial factors, such as their phenotypic traits (e.g., red hair, freckles, etc.) -- specifically when there's so much more to go on. To me, it's just a shame to make a fuss over crap like that when you haven't even allowed yourself to evaluate the rest of what makes someone who he/she is as a person. I never got that mentality. Never will. It bugs me. That's just my opinion. And yes, stereotypes exist. That doesn't mean we have to do as everyone else does. Well, maybe you do.

But your talking to two posters who HAVE allowed themselves to evaluate the rest of what makes her who she is.

You didn't respond to some badly worded post like 'Lois can't be starwberyy blonde, all strawberry blondes are naive and Lois isn't naive.'

That I can understand getting annoyed about.

But what DK said clearly didn't mean that, and nothing i've said indicated that we SHOULD adhere to stereotypes.

It's just that we naturally do subconsciously, and there is no escaping it.

So when the GA see a fiery red headed Lois Lane, they are seeing the stereotypical fiery red head. That's what they will remember her as. Pretty much exactly like she was in Leap Year.

And she was great and very Lois like in that film. Don't get me wrong.

But I just think it's a shame that Lois' fiery mentality will now be assosiated with her hair colour.

But like you said, this is all just a matter of opinions.

I just get annoyed when someone who is making a fair point like DK was, is accused of being almost as bad as a racist who thinks people of a different skin colour are less intelligent.

It seemed uncalled for.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

But your talking to two posters who HAVE allowed themselves to evaluate the rest of what makes her who she is.

You didn't respond to some badly worded post like 'Lois can't be starwberyy blonde, all strawberry blondes are naive and Lois isn't naive.'

That I can understand getting annoyed about.

But what DK said clearly didn't mean that, and nothing i've said indicated that we SHOULD adhere to stereotypes.

It's just that we naturally do subconsciously, and there is no escaping it.

So when the GA see a fiery red headed Lois Lane, they are seeing the stereotypical fiery red head. That's what they will remember her as. Pretty much exactly like she was in Leap Year.

And she was great and very Lois like in that film. Don't get me wrong.

But I just think it's a shame that Lois' fiery mentality will now be assosiated with her hair colour.

But like you said, this is all just a matter of opinions.

I just get annoyed when someone who is making a fair point like DK was, is accused of being almost as bad as a racist who thinks people of a different skin colour are less intelligent.

It seemed uncalled for.

Here's the thing. I haven't been reading every single post that DK has made on the subject. And what he originally stated was this: "Stereotypically, people with strawberry blonde hair are seen as soft, kind, naive, etc." So, in actuality, I did perceive that as a badly worded post implying that Lois shouldn't be a redhead or a strawberry blond -- even though you obviously understood where he was going with that before he elaborated on it some more. Like I said before, I misconstrued what he was initially trying to say. That said, I still don't agree with his point 100%, but it certainly does make more sense to me now. And with that, I'm finished with this discussion.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

I don't know, I don't know so much about stereotypes in terms of Lois' hair. I suppose traditionally blondes are fun, light hearted and ditzy, redheads are passionate, sensual and firey and brunettes are smart, intellectual and somewhat opinionated (I suppose you could say, Rapunzel, Jessica Rabbit and Belle, all Disney examples.)

I'd like to think Lois is kind of a mixture of all the stereotypes, she has her lighthearted and comedic moments like a stereotype blonde (see Smallville), she can be very passionate and firey, especially when it comes to the things she loves, then she can be intelligent and rational minded like a typical brunette.

I kind of agree that when you give characters a hair color, especially when it comes to things like comics or animation, you are subtly giving hints about who that character is. Look at Disney for instance, they are all designed to suit their character. Belle would be the one who is most like Lois Lane (IMO) and she too, is a brunette.

And yeah... sorry for the Disney tangent, I guess I've always been a Disney freak.

She looks good in the pictures but I agree, long strawberry blonde hair does kinda imply softness. Which isn't to say you can't have a firey character with strawberry blonde hair, but in terms of Lois Lane, it doesn't get across the look that the character needs IMO.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I kind of agree that when you give characters a hair color, especially when it comes to things like comics or animation, you are subtly giving hints about who that character is. Look at Disney for instance, they are all designed to suit their character. Belle would be the one who is most like Lois Lane (IMO) and she too, is a brunette.

And yeah... sorry for the Disney tangent, I guess I've always been a Disney freak. [biggrin]

She looks good in the pictures but I agree, long strawberry blonde hair does kinda imply softness. Which isn't to say you can't have a firey character with strawberry blonde hair, but in terms of Lois Lane, it doesn't get across the look that the character needs IMO.

It certainly is much more obvious in animation, and in chick flick comedies like Legally Blonde or Bring it On.

But because it's there from our childhood, and because it's repeated even in a jovial way, we do take it in even if it's just subconsciously.

I agree as well, that there is a difference between strawberry blonde (soft, naïve, sweet etc I.E. Lana) and ginger/red head (fiery and sexy I.E. Mary Jane).

But we can't really tell from the set pics which one it's going to look like on screen. It's all about the lighting.