The Dark Knight Rises Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman IV

[Flare]

Actually this is a very good point. I think I just responded to it But regarding the underlined bit: a Batman/Catwoman climax is not necessarily a battle of wits (Joker) or a physical battle (Ra's), it could very well be an emotional one (Harvey?), like the one we've seen in Hush. Just another wild guess on my end.

I definitely expect an emotional heart-to-heart near the end of the movie. Maybe a moment where Batman must decide to turn her in (Maltese Falcon-esque, as another poster mentioned) or lets her go.

What I wonder is what role Catwoman plays in the movie's "physical climax". This seems to be what Batman Returns struggled with. Catwoman's motivations are unclear and at the end she just goes after Max Shreck even after teaming up with Shreck's partner (Penguin) for a good portion of the movie. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what her character was trying to do throughout the film.

Ultimately, Catwoman just seems to be a different animal than other villains. I don't see her as being dangerous/deviant enough to require a final physical confrontation between her and Batman. So it seems likely that she has her own issues with the film's other villains. Pissing off and stealing from the mob would normally sound likely, but we saw Joker do this in the previous movie. Too redundant? And if it is, then I am back to being puzzled at what her role in the big picture is.

 

[kvz5]

Some poster claimed that Gemma Arterton auditioned for a villain role in TDKR and got the role but scheduling problems made her leave.

Is this true? Were they going for Gemma as Catwoman? Cause if it is... my god that would have been the hottest thing ever.

She didn't get the role. She was just on THR's list of actresses that were supposed to screen test (along with Hathaway, Knightley, Kate Mara and Charlotte Riley) with Bale if her schedule permits.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I reckon it'd be cool if she got locked up in the MCU at some point but Batman has to break her out because he needs her burglary expertise (assuming they go the thief route). Could have a scene similar to the police station sequence in Terminator.

That would be very cool. I could see this happening in the beginning of the third act. At this point, Batman's relationship with the GCPD is pretty damn intense and even Gordon can't do much for him. So now Batman will have to be on his own. Aside from Alfred, I would love to see Batman with the world chasing him, trying to get the person that could be another cause for trouble out. He already is in deep water with them by the end of TDK. Now when Catwoman comes into the mix, the police or media might think they're in cahoots.

I don't get why we're all so adamant about a structural similarity to something that happened in Returns or TDK? Is it really, really all that important? Her allegiances, vendettas, they can both be included in the film and it might still be something unique and different from the way it's been portrayed before. I'll say this again - while I'm not seeing a possible "team-up" between Bane and Catwoman (they would work so much more better as adversaries), an essential "team-up" wouldn't be immediately terrible.

Heck, to certain extents, both Ra's & Scarecrow, and the Joker & Two-Face 'teamed up' in a very loose sense of the word.

But the way I see it, Bane and maybe the mob will be after Catwoman instead. And yes, seeing Batman (especially THIS Batman) finally "teaming up" with another masked adventurer would be all kinds of kick-ass. But like jmc said, I'm expecting a lot of double-crossings from Selina Kyle. Not all wild-cards bear a joker.

Maybe, just maybe, she will still be the real saviour for ol Batsy.

Selina Kyle as that wild card who does alot of double crossings could be so damn great. Better yet, she could trick us as well as Batman. They have a great opportunity to really make us unsuspecting of Selina.

And in a way, without making it cheesy, she will be one of the things that brings Bruce out of his own sadness and whatever else happens to him in this film.

 

[Larxene]

And really, why would Batman need Catwoman's expertise, let alone anyone else's? He's a god damn ninja.

Not true. Bruce has balanced levels in all abilities, but other people can surpass him in certain criteria. For instance, Nightwing outdoes him in natural leadership and social interaction. Catwoman, in turn, outdoes him in tricks, thievery, and stealth. He has hired her help in the comics.

Some people just do something better than he can.

 

[jmc]

Only problem is the MCU got blown to bits.

And really, why would Batman need Catwoman's expertise, let alone anyone else's? He's a god damn ninja.

Not to state the bleeding obvious but a) MCU could have been rebuilt, and b) Batman might be a ninja but chances are he isn't as knowledgeable as a world class thief in breaking into some sort of high security facility. Batman can't do everything, and if the rumoured Catwoman team up eventuates then I'm sure there's reason for it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Seeing Catwoman sitting in the same position as the Joker would be a cool image possibly. The MCU will probably be rebuilt, so I don't expect it to look like the exact same cell. Nevertheless, it's interesting.

 

[BestGirl]

I'm kinda hoping she does a lot of double crossing throughout the film. I want her to be the wildcard of the film.

I like this idea. I'm not real thrilled about Catwoman being a straight up ally of Batman, so this would be a good way of shaking up that relationship.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, you cannot just play her as a straight up ally of Batman, and I'll hazard a guess to say that Nolan would be aware of this. After the Joker you really do need another wildcard thrown into the story, Catwoman is that wildcard, the potential for story twists with her is endless. I'd love to be wondering the whole time 'who's she gonna turn on next'.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I was watching Supernatural the other day and remembered of Bella Talbot, a character of Season 3 if i remember correctly. She was a Catwoman type of character, double crossing the guys all the time, stealing, looking only for herself, and having tons of sexuality. I'd love it if Nolan's CW is like that. It should, Bella was based on CW after all.

 

[kvz5]

^ I LOVE Supernatural! And yes, Bella was introduced on their 3rd season. I liked her character so never undestood the hate for her.

I don't think Catwoman will be a straight up ally of Batman and I don't think Batman will fully trust her either. That's what makes their "relationship" click.

 

[Mr. Earle]

^ I LOVE Supernatural! And yes, Bella was introduced on their 3rd season. I liked her character so never undestood the hate for her.

I don't think Catwoman will be a straight up ally of Batman and I don't think Batman will fully trust her either. That's what makes their "relationship" click.

Eh you know the fans. They never like changes so they didnt like Bella and how she sometimes stole the show and dominated the plot. She was a fun character (and dropdead gorgeous if i might add) so they could have limited her appearences as opposed to straight up killing her.

Btw, how do you like the current season? Kinda meh if you ask me. I think they jumped the shark.

 

[Polux]

While reading all of this, I just had a vision of an (amazingly action packed) scene of Batman breaking into MCU to break CW out, fighting the cops and trashing everything on his way, and a cop aiming and him and about to shoot, and then have Gordon see this and reacting really fast, pushing the cop aside to and being like "I got it" and shooting and "missing", then, while still fighting the cops, Bats turns around, and looks at Jim who gives him a little now and then is like "I missed" (I don´t mean actual dialogue, more like body language) and when the other cop looks at him, being like "What you waiting for? Go for him!"

Sorry if that didn´t make any sense, I was typing as fast as I was imagining it..



Polux

 

[kvz5]

Eh you know the fans. They never like changes so they didnt like Bella and how she sometimes stole the show and dominated the plot. She was a fun character (and dropdead gorgeous if i might add) so they could have limited her appearences as opposed to straight up killing her.

Btw, how do you like the current season? Kinda meh if you ask me. I think they jumped the shark.

That and fangirls hating any character who gets to make out with Sam or Dean. I liked her and her interactions with the boys specially Dean.

I thought the 2nd half of this season is way better and more enjoyable than the first half and the whole souless Sam plot which I hated. The 2nd half is their attempt to go back to the MOTW style. I still think though that while I like the introduction of Castiel, their best seasons were the earlier seasons (like Seasons 1 and 2).

 

[Mr. Earle]

I thought the 2nd half of this season is way better and more enjoyable than the first half and the whole souless Sam plot which I hated.

I agree.

The 2nd half is their attempt to go back to the MOTW style. I still think though that while I like the introduction of Castiel, their best seasons were the earlier seasons (like Seasons 1 and 2).

Also agreed. The first seasons were the best. The Demons and monsters of the week were great. Now its all really meh...

 

[Gianakin_]

kvz5 and Earle, spot on comments abou SN and especially Bella. What a great character. And the actress is as gorgeous as ever as Volkoff in Chuck.

 

[Godzilla2014]

As far Catwoman being a wildcard, should that interpretation be used, I think that it might be interesting if at the end she attempts to double cross Batman, only to find out he was anticipating it and maybe even planning on it.

 

[Yurka]

Is supernatural actually a good show? I always thought it was just another tween paranormal crapfest but I've heard positive things from numerous people recently. (relevant I know )

 

[Gianakin_]

It's got its ups and downs but it's a solid show altogether. Got better and better with each season (last one is meh, though).

 

[jmc]

As far Catwoman being a wildcard, should that interpretation be used, I think that it might be interesting if at the end she attempts to double cross Batman, only to find out he was anticipating it and maybe even planning on it.

And would she aware that he was planning on it? To quote Jack Sparrow 'You can always trust a dishonest person to be dishonest'.

 

[Godzilla2014]

And would she aware that he was planning on it? To quote Jack Sparrow 'You can always trust a dishonest person to be dishonest'.

No. Otherwise it wouldn't be a(n attempted) double cross. I was also thinking that the wildcard aspect varies based on the situation: If it's in her interest to help Batman, she can be trusted (Think Catwoman's being rescued by Batman from the mob). But if she stands to gain from a double-cross, then that's when she would do it. She acts in her own interests, she is Batman's ally when they coincide, and she is his enemy when they do not. The fun to be had here is determining what her interests and goals are. She is somewhat aimless (as a thief), she makes no points like the Joker, nor does she have an end goal like Ra's al Ghul. This contrasts nicely with the obsessed and driven Batman, making her a great foil for the Dark Knight.

 

[kvz5]

It's got its ups and downs but it's a solid show altogether. Got better and better with each season (last one is meh, though).

Don't forget its killer music! At least in the first few seasons anyway when they still had the budget for some good ole rock n roll.

 

[kvz5]

Back to Catwoman, I see Batman not giving her up to the cops "just this one time") to even out the score (assuming she helps him with something) or it can be the total opposite and there will be a scene where they're at some rooftop, have a witty dialogue about the events that transpired with the villains and what not and in the end, she will tease/flirt with him and it will look like he's answering to her advances but of course we'll see that he manages to handcuff and leave her as we hear the sirens of the GCPD. It's totally unoriginal but it can be good if done right.

There will be some witty dialogue to convey that of course (but I'm not in the mood to attempt to be witty right now ).

 

[Mr. Earle]

kvz5 and Earle, spot on comments abou SN and especially Bella. What a great character. And the actress is as gorgeous as ever as Volkoff in Chuck.

Thanks! t:

Is supernatural actually a good show? I always thought it was just another tween paranormal crapfest but I've heard positive things from numerous people recently. (relevant I know )

No, its actually a really good show. Up until season 4 or maybe 5 its good. This season feels meh though.

 

[Dave Rimmings]

So are we going to get prostitute Selina or cat burglar Selina? With the rumors of Holly being in TDKR, it would appear that Nolan's going the Year One route.

 

[Larxene]

Agreed. Amorality makes for much better storytelling than mere immorality.

Or morality.

But that's thrown out the window now.

I'm hoping we don't get a goody-two shoes Catwoman in the film (not only because it grates on me, but because there'll be...no conflict). Just like I hope they don't erase the fact that she's a thief (well, again, was one). Might as well just put some typical super heroine or heroine in there and it'll achieve the same thing. Other than that, I'll be fine with anything.

Though the wild card sounds tempting.