Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - Part 17

[zenith16]

I'm pretty sure (tho I could be wrong I suppose) that you need to use the Pit to revive someone with within a few hours. Both of those have been dead way too long.

Good some one that's in the know but they also stated someone after month or a few months as long as the body is still whole it can be used , but the sense of right & wrong of the person that was put into will ether be worsened (to how huntress act only way worse) more then usual or a zombie apocalypse will start with person you tried to bring back

. but seeing how the writers are on this show with their selective reasoning ..... I think they will go with the former even though the latter should happen. Tommy shouldn't be back as just someone with bad sense right or wrong. she should having people for lunch dinner & breakfast start with the person that put there & stay in the room when got up out of the pit. which I was hopping it would be Malcolm.

 

[rashad]

Agreed good to Caity back.

Honestly ,am I the only one who wants Roy and Thea to get back together?

I'm actually glad they are separated right now. No need to force them back into a relationship after what happened last season.

 

[luis4u]

Is The ARROW Going To Become GREEN ARROW? Stephen Amell Hints At Season 4 Change



"[Oliver] comes back [to Starling City] having been humbled, which is an important lesson for anybody. [The fight] was not even that close. This will make perfect sense when you see season four, but the Arrow persona, the vigilante, the hood — that's a flawed persona. We saw it be flawed. We saw him lose. There has to be something more. We'll see that eventually."



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/arrow-season-4-stephen-amell-770357

 

[luis4u]

Currently sold out,



https://rogueevent.co.uk/wordpress/the-city-of-heroes/

 

[Herolee10]

Currently sold out,



https://rogueevent.co.uk/wordpress/the-city-of-heroes/

For a panel called "City of Heroes", why are the actors that play Iris, Eddie, and Slade there?lol

 

[luis4u]

For a panel called "City of Heroes", why are the actors that play Iris, Eddie, and Slade there?lol

You know Not all heroes wear mask t:t:

 

[Herolee10]

So let's do a rundown of things that haven't "made sense" during this season, thus far:

1. Oliver choosing to do nothing about Malcom (prior to learning that he forced Thea to kill Sara), even though he was aware of what Malcom was capable of and what Malcom has done in the past.

2. Ra's whole reasoning in targeting Starling City, due to the fact that it was established in "The Magician" that Ra's did not look at Sara as a real member of the LOA and was only interested in bringing in Malcom to justice due to the latter having violated their code of conduct.

3. Malcom thinking that Oliver could beat Ra's when the latter has had trouble even taking him (Malcom) on during their duels.

4. Thea....just Thea.lol

5. The means that Laurel and the rest of Team Arrow have gone through in order to deceive Captain Lance that Sara is still alive.

6. Maseo deciding to do something for Oliver in the present, only after fighting with Ra's where Oliver should have died (by all accounts) when he could have easily done something else prior to Oliver's duel with Ra's if he wanted to "help" Oliver.

7. Malcom thinking that he can still find redemption.

8. Oliver being able t do anything physical as soon as he returns to Starling City, considering that he had a hard time even walking when he was leaving the forest.

9. Oliver asking Malcom to "train" him, even though Malcom is the whole reason why Oliver is in this mess in the first place. And not to mention, Malcom is scared of Ra's as well and doesn't think that he's capable of beating Ra's, so what good would learning from Malcom do? Also, we had like the whole "Crossover" episode dedicated to how Oliver wants to hold onto his humanity instead of giving it away, and yet he's willingly giving it away by joining hands with Merlin. Not to mention that he's ready to break his no kill policy as well after having spent all of last season to not do so again.

10. Diggs agreeing with Oliver in the Premiere that being a part of Team Arrow wouldn't be what's best for his new family (Lyla and his Baby Sara), only to still be with Team Arrow.

11. Felicity not bothering to call Barry for help during Brick's reign over the glades, let alone the Mayor abandoning the Glades and its inhabitants so that a few politicians don't feel threatened.


Do I really still need to go on?

 

[Seb]

Oh! Oh! I have some!

12. Oliver not dying.

13. Diggle hanging out in the Arrow Cave while Roy and Laurel go out alone (especially after Felicity came back)

14. More Thea

 

[Herolee10]

Oh! Oh! I have some!

12. Oliver not dying.

13. Diggle hanging out in the Arrow Cave while Roy and Laurel go out alone (especially after Felicity came back)

14. More Thea

Yeah, the first two especially...those didn't make sense.

Oliver, by every form of logic out there....should have died. I don't get why they didn't want to use the Lazarus pit (in some format) to be the source of his revival.

Heck, I would have even bought it if they said that Maseo carried a small vile, containing the serum from the LP....as the means of how his ex wife revived him.....they could even say that since Oliver was given such a short dosage, that would explain why it took longer for him to heal up.

And yeah, Diggs should have been out there the moment Felicity was back. He's been going out like 95% of the time when they were on missions, and yet when they need every bit of available manpower out there, he chooses to stay with Felicity? i know he's a spoken man and that felicity has one great booty, but c'mon now.lol

 

[Snow Queen]

15. Palmer is so hung up on his dead wife that it motivates him to be a superhero but he's totally fine flirting with Felicity.

16. Felicity on that dinner with Palmer earlier this season seems to see him as some altruistic wonderful guy but we haven't seen any reason for her to think this.

17. Seriously, he didn't die from being stabbed through the chest, kicked off a cliff and left out in the cold shirtless for who knows how long? I mean I know it was mentioned but seriously this is ridiculous enough it deserves another.

 

[Herolee10]

15. Palmer is so hung up on his dead wife that it motivates him to be a superhero but he's totally fine flirting with Felicity.

16. Felicity on that dinner with Palmer earlier this season seems to see him as some altruistic wonderful guy but we haven't seen any reason for her to think this.

Honestly, it's because of how poorly they've used Brandon's character that I feel like he won't get his own series.

The producers did a perfect job with how they utilized Barry in his first two episodes on Arrow last season, which is why the executive were so impressed that they wanted to order a pilot (and later series) for the character.

Palmer doesn't have an real "original" origin to go off of. I mean how many characters in this universe started their crusade as a result of losing a female companion?

and I personally feel like we should have seen Palmer donating new weapons/armory to the SCPD to further allude to the gear that he'll eventually don himself, while incorporating him more into the main plot line.

So far, his biggest purpose has just been to give Felicity another option other than Oliver.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

Well Diggle will return to the field soon.......according to Marc......and Oliver not drying/how he survive they can mention this later on they may go deeper right now it a mystery which should be solved

 

[Urich Leeds]

Is it me, or did tonight's episode lay the groundwork for (or at least, tease) Felicity's death?

 

[Snow Queen]

Honestly, it's because of how poorly they've used Brandon's character that I feel like he won't get his own series.

The producers did a perfect job with how they utilized Barry in his first two episodes on Arrow last season, which is why the executive were so impressed that they wanted to order a pilot (and later series) for the character.

Palmer doesn't have an real "original" origin to go off of. I mean how many characters in this universe started their crusade as a result of losing a female companion?

and I personally feel like we should have seen Palmer donating new weapons/armory to the SCPD to further allude to the gear that he'll eventually don himself, while incorporating him more into the main plot line.

So far, his biggest purpose has just been to give Felicity another option other than Oliver.

Speaking of starting your crusade because a female companion died, I am so sick of this show's over-reliance on death as a motivator. Every time they need a character to do something or feel something, someone has to die. Giving Ollie a goal? Kill his dad (not a bad one on it's own, but on top of everything else it's annoying). Need him to stop killing? Kill Tommy. Need Deathstroke to hate Ollie? Kill Shado. Need Ollie to hate Slade more? Kill his mum. Need Laurel to be Black Canary? Kill Sara (for the third time). Need Ray to become Atom? Kill his wife. Need Malcolm to have a motivation? Kill his wife. And now it's seeming like Tatsu and Maseo's kid is dead too.

 

[Herolee10]

Also, I feel like some of the reasons why Season 2 was considered (and rightfully so) the best Season in the Series, so far, is because they introduced a lot of original (and captivating) elements, executing most of them onto the screen in excellent way.

We were introduced to our first Black Canary with Sara, we got a taste of the LOA, the whole Mirakuru thing, the introduction of the Suicide Squad, the Flashbacks on the Island being mostly relevant to the present story line, the introduction of Barry Allen, and of course....perhaps one of the biggest deal breakers.....Slade Wilson in his full "Deathstroke" glory.

Seriously, Deathstroke (as played by Manu Bennett) was utterly brilliant. Sure, the trigger point to his descent into madness was a bit iffy, but the dude played it out so well and he was such a consistent on-screen presence for the season that people couldn't help but get invested into him, which is more than I can say for the likes of Ra's or even Malcom (Season 1) to a lesser extent.

 

[Herolee10]

Speaking of starting your crusade because a female companion died, I am so sick of this show's over-reliance on death as a motivator. Every time they need a character to do something or feel something, someone has to die. Giving Ollie a goal? Kill his dad (not a bad one on it's own, but on top of everything else it's annoying). Need him to stop killing? Kill Tommy. Need Deathstroke to hate Ollie? Kill Shado. Need Ollie to hate Slade more? Kill his mum. Need Laurel to be Black Canary? Kill Sara (for the third time). Need Ray to become Atom? Kill his wife. And now it's seeming like Tatsu and Maseo's kid is dead too.

Need Barry to become obsessed with the "unknown"? Kill his mom as well apparently.lol

Need Diggs to have a personal tie to the SS; have Deadshot be the one that killed his brother.

It's a never ending cycle of death.lol

 

[Boy Scout]

I'd really love to sit in on a meeting, because some of the **** they do is just asinine.

 

[Snow Queen]

Need Barry to become obsessed with the "unknown"? Kill his mom as well apparently.lol

Need Diggs to have a personal tie to the SS; have Deadshot be the one that killed his brother.

It's a never ending cycle of death.lol

I wasn't even thinking about those. And as I edited as you were replying, there's Malcolm too. It's so lazy.

 

[Seb]

I think Roy is the only character who hasn't got a specific death motivating him, though the multitude of terrible things that probably happened to and around him in his youth are just unexplored as yet.

Scratch that, Felicity is also unencumbered by dead people. Congrats, Arrow, two characters.

 

[Paradox1]

Speaking of starting your crusade because a female companion died, I am so sick of this show's over-reliance on death as a motivator. Every time they need a character to do something or feel something, someone has to die. Giving Ollie a goal? Kill his dad (not a bad one on it's own, but on top of everything else it's annoying). Need him to stop killing? Kill Tommy. Need Deathstroke to hate Ollie? Kill Shado. Need Ollie to hate Slade more? Kill his mum. Need Laurel to be Black Canary? Kill Sara (for the third time). Need Ray to become Atom? Kill his wife. Need Malcolm to have a motivation? Kill his wife. And now it's seeming like Tatsu and Maseo's kid is dead too.

Welcome to comic books lol. Everyone's origins involves some death that pushes them into action.

 

[Seb]

Need Barry to become obsessed with the "unknown"? Kill his mom as well apparently.lol

Need Diggs to have a personal tie to the SS; have Deadshot be the one that killed his brother.

It's a never ending cycle of death.lol

Want to add Caitlin and Harrison to the list of '(believed) dead loved ones'. Hell, with Cisco's relationship with Ronnie, he probably counts for both.

 

[Herolee10]

I wasn't even thinking about those. And as I edited as you were replying, there's Malcolm too. It's so lazy.

I almost forgot....The League taking a crusade against Starling City, because Sara died.lol

Yeah, it definitely is lazy. It's like the only way a person can become a costumed hero/villain in this universe, at least from the POV of the producers, is when they lose a loved one to some tragic death.

 

[Herolee10]

I think Roy is the only character who hasn't got a specific death motivating him, though the multitude of terrible things that probably happened to and around him in his youth are just unexplored as yet.

Scratch that, Felicity is also unencumbered by dead people. Congrats, Arrow, two characters.

Would Captain Lance and Lyla also count? What about Joe from Flash?

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I sure there still a original execution on screen is coming......well Slade only show up for second half but because of flashback he was a big threat

 

[Seb]

Welcome to comic books lol. Everyone's origins involves some death that pushes them into action.

I think that was one of the things that drew me to Tim Drake. He became a hero because he wanted to help people (then the comic-book-logic-god realised it had missed him, so quickly started fixing the problem).

Also, in the comics, Ollie wasn't motivated by his parents' deaths, they died a long time before he finally manned up and became Green Arrow.